After reading the tenor of the posts here yet again tonight ...

[NanceGreggs]

... can I ask what would seem to be an obvious question:

"No matter who you support, what you say about them, and what you say against the other candidate, do you honestly believe you're going to change anyone's mind at this point in the process?"

Just wonderin' ... :shrug:

[tblue]

1. Bingo! I think in many cases we're venting, and that serves it's own purpose.

[NanceGreggs]

4. Well, that would have been my first thought ...

... and the most logical response.

But there seem to be people here who actually believe that they're going to 'convert' someone at the last minute, before they completely succumb to the evil of supporting the 'other candidate'.

I sometimes feel like I'm caught between two revival meetings ...

[tblue]

8. Yeah. And I tend to reserve my ire and rage for Republiscum.

[NanceGreggs]

21. Well, now you're onto something ...

... why, I'm SO OLD, I remember when that was the popular topic around here. Seems like a million years ago now.

[mtnester]

33. And they are NOT doing it with flowers and candy

that's for sure


Even at this late hour, I remain undecided. I have until about this time tomorrow morning to make up my mind.

[MadBadger]

2. Its all based on anger and annoyance

[babylonsister]

3. Yes,

Adore Michelle, wouldya?

I kid. I've learned a lot from being on DU. I will elaborate at a later time!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x342315

[NanceGreggs]

6. I DO adore Michelle ...

... and the Politics of Candor sums it up perfectly.

I love that look she gets on her face when she's being interviewed - that look that says, "Oh, no, you din't ask that dumb a question, did you?"

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. It's not about changing minds

It's about lashing out. That's what makes it so sickening.

[NanceGreggs]

10. My feelings exactly.

Sickening.

[papau]

7. Nah - My party will go with the corporate tax cut/regulation remover promises don't cost money if

don't intend to use political muscle to get them through congress, women smarter than he is with more steel for political combat and getting a program for the left enacted are to be ridiculed, our 21 st century Obama and his "hope" with near zero past political accomplishments yo back it up -

- and not a damn thing I can do other than forget the race for President and work for down ticket Dems

At least the AA Dems will not feel put upon by a non black women being nominated.

I've rung door bells every election for decades for our guy for president - and have walked the blocks for Jesse in 84 in the primary (in 88 I was for the Duke)- but this election I will not be doing so for this arrogant con artist.

[NanceGreggs]

13. WOW!!!

See how that worked! I just changed my mind about who I support ...


:sarcasm:

[papau]

41. Those that see the sun shining out of his ass as he walks on water won't change

[oasis]

14. My sentiments exactly. (eom)

[Johnny__Motown]

9. of course not

[Danzo]

11. I Understand That It's Very Unlikely...

...to change people's minds; but I think that it's worth the effort. The worst that can happen is nothing. And the possbile (albeit unlikely) reward of convincing others to vote for Hillary outweighs the risk of nothing happening, IMHO.

[oasis]

12. I'm not switching from Hillary, she's just the best candidate for America. That said,

I'd have no problem voting for Obama in the general election.

[NanceGreggs]

18. I'm not switching from Obama ...

... because I believe he's just the best candidate for America. That said, I'd have no problem voting for Hillary in the general election.

We didn't change each others' minds - but then, we didn't expect to!

May the best candidate win, whichever candidate that turns out to be - and neither of them are too shoddy, are they?

:hi:

[oasis]

31. The both of them stand head and shoulders over John McCain.

:hi:

[Skittles]

34. they both leave much to be desired

but they are still 10,000 times better than any repuke

[hfojvt]

15. "To this day, I am not sure why I really bothered having this conversation."

"... Still, I have this hopelessly naive faith that as long as you're arguing a position that's logically correct, you can convince anyone of it. That's why, when I saw (Newt Gingrich) in the hallway a few minutes later, I went over and tried again." Al Franken "Rush Limbaugh is a big, fat idiot" p. 336

[bigbrother05]

16. NanceGreggs, you made me laugh at this late hour

thanks, just the headline

[FlyingSquirrel]

17. I think what happens is,

Something like this periodically hits the front page with 124 recs

"I’m done defending Hillary Clinton."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4844977

Often including a line about how they had come to their decision:

In all honesty, I didn’t believe it. Since when are the talking heads a source of all that is right and true in the world? But there were the clips and the transcripts. And most damming of all, were the posts I saw here from Hillary supporters.

Voila!

And the cycle begins anew.

:popcorn:

[hfojvt]

19. and just who are you calling a tenor?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK8QbJ6HTMg

[NanceGreggs]

22. Well, at least you didn't Rick-Roll me ...

:rofl:

[hfojvt]

27. of course not, your momma don't dance

and your daddy don't rick and roll.

[housewolf]

20. In large part, it's a problem inherent in the medium itself

It's so one-dimensional. You type something, someone replies. They can't see your facial expressions or body language, nor can you see theirs. There only are words on a screen, and sometimes a little picture, with none of the visuals or auditory cues that are so important in human communications. So you type something, your words strike a chord in someone else, they reply, and no one feels "heard" or understood. And it's SO easy to keep coming at someone, because they aren't there in front of you, or on the other end of the phone, so they don't seem real.

Don't know how to make it any different...

[FlyingSquirrel]

23. It would help if you included some smilies in your post!

:wtf: ;) :evilgrin: :toast: :smoke: :beer: :pals:

:hide:

[NanceGreggs]

25. You are absolutely incorrigible!!!

... which is why I love ya like I do.

:loveya:

[housewolf]

26. Ooopss

It's late.

:blush:

I should have knows nothing would get by YOU! :)



:rofl:

[NanceGreggs]

24. Great observation ...

By not having access to visual clues like facial expressions and body language, it's easy to convince yourself that you are making an impact, you are getting through.

Thanks for that! Really insightful explanation for the 'phenomenon' we're all seeing here from 'both sides'.

[housewolf]

29. You're welcome

There are many techniques that we all use unconsciously when we talk with others that establish rapport between the 2 parties and enriches communication. These techniques just aren't available in on-line communications, and it a detriment, often leaves both parties talking past each other.

When I used to hear the RWers talk about the "hate & vitriol" of the left-wing blogs, I didn't believe them. I thought about places like Free Republic and thought that Dems were different, more respectful, more caring. Sad to say, I can't dismiss it anymore when I hear RWers spout that condemnation.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

28. My dear Nance...

I've learned long ago, through my own personal experience here on DU, that you do have an impact on others through just your words...

But that's really a separate issue from yours...

And I agree...

"Do you honestly believe you're going to change anyone's mind at this point in the process?"

Not at this late stage, nope!

But I guess some do think they can change your mind...

Or they'll damn well die trying!

:hi:

[jgraz]

30. Personally, I'm just here to pad my DUzy count.

(But don't tell JeffR)

[Skittles]

32. it's fun pointing out how fucking asinine they all are

yes INDEED

[Bongo Prophet]

35. Ya, the tenor of the posts play to our 'bass' instincts, like sumpin' outa da sopranos.

Muy basso profundo! ;)

[TheDoorbellRang]

43. That is alto true!

Just wanted my voice to be heard. :o

[Bongo Prophet]

44. There is a ring of truth to that statement, but u r singin' to the choir!

;)

[caseycoon]

36. I don't think you can change anyone's mind

by screaming weird epithets against their candidate & insulting them at ANY point in the process. It sure has been unpleasant. You make a good point as usual!
:toast:

[JNelson6563]

37. Aside from that

What does fighting with other DUers all day accomplish? I see some who are really going at it who did the same back in 04. Males me wonder what they did in between primary seasons.

Sad. Considering how many campaigns could really use help, folks running for Congress and county commission and everything in between, good candidates.

Julie

[billyoc]

38. Oh, no. I'm just here to gloat. nt

[Apollo11]

39. Hey Nance - "Don't tell me words don't matter!"

I always thought that you were a fine example of the old saying "The pen is mightier than the sword".

:hi:

[Midlodemocrat]

40. I feel very sorry for anyone who comes into this forum looking for

information to decide for whom to vote. All vitriol, all the time. No substance.

[redqueen]

42. I don't think this is a forum for changing anyone's mind.

It's a forum to share information and complain about the stuff you don't like.