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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:16 AM
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Obama lied when he said Bob Graham voted against the IWR because he read the NIE, flat out lied.
Obama does not know what he is talking about, and is clueless regarding what Bob Graham told all of America.

And, amazingly, Bob Graham could not have been more clear. Only a thick-headed person could not understand what Graham said. That Obama chose to distort Bob Graham''s words is disgusting and pathetic, and political pandering at its worst. Shame on you Obama.

How on earth anyone can support the fraud Obama is a perplexing conundrum that could have dire consequences for the Democratic Party, and more importantly for The United States of America.

What Graham said about his vote against the IWR:

On Oct. 11, I voted no on the resolution to give the president authority to go to war against Iraq. I was able to apply caveat emptor. Most of my colleagues could not



http://jre-whatsnottolike.com/2005/11/20/bob-graham-what-i-knew-before-the-invasion/


In the past week President Bush has twice attacked Democrats for being hypocrites on the Iraq war. “ore than 100 Democrats in the House and Senate, who had access to the same intelligence, voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power,” he said.The president’s attacks are outrageous. Yes, more than 100 Democrats voted to authorize him to take the nation to war. Most of them, though, like their Republican colleagues, did so in the legitimate belief that the president and his administration were truthful in their statements that Saddam Hussein was a gathering menace — that if Hussein was not disarmed, the smoking gun would become a mushroom cloud.

The president has undermined trust. No longer will the members of Congress be entitled to accept his veracity. Caveat emptor has become the word. Every member of Congress is on his or her own to determine the truth.

As chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence during the tragedy of Sept. 11, 2001, and the run-up to the Iraq war, I probably had as much access to the intelligence on which the war was predicated as any other member of Congress.

I, too, presumed the president was being truthful — until a series of events undercut that confidence.

In February 2002, after a briefing on the status of the war in Afghanistan, the commanding officer, Gen. Tommy Franks, told me the war was being compromised as specialized personnel and equipment were being shifted from Afghanistan to prepare for the war in Iraq — a war more than a year away. Even at this early date, the White House was signaling that the threat posed by Saddam Hussein was of such urgency that it had priority over the crushing of al Qaeda.

In the early fall of 2002, a joint House-Senate intelligence inquiry committee, which I co-chaired, was in the final stages of its investigation of what happened before Sept. 11. As the unclassified final report of the inquiry documented, several failures of intelligence contributed to the tragedy. But as of October 2002, 13 months later, the administration was resisting initiating any substantial action to understand, much less fix, those problems.

At a meeting of the Senate intelligence committee on Sept. 5, 2002, CIA Director George Tenet was asked what the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) provided as the rationale for a preemptive war in Iraq. An NIE is the product of the entire intelligence community, and its most comprehensive assessment. I was stunned when Tenet said that no NIE had been requested by the White House and none had been prepared. Invoking our rarely used senatorial authority, I directed the completion of an NIE.

Tenet objected, saying that his people were too committed to other assignments to analyze Saddam Hussein’s capabilities and will to use chemical, biological and possibly nuclear weapons. We insisted, and three weeks later the community produced a classified NIE.

There were troubling aspects to this 90-page document. While slanted toward the conclusion that Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction stored or produced at 550 sites, it contained vigorous dissents on key parts of the information, especially by the departments of State and Energy. Particular skepticism was raised about aluminum tubes that were offered as evidence Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear program. As to Hussein’s will to use whatever weapons he might have, the estimate indicated he would not do so unless he was first attacked.

Under questioning, Tenet added that the information in the NIE had not been independently verified by an operative responsible to the United States. In fact, no such person was inside Iraq. Most of the alleged intelligence came from Iraqi exiles or third countries, all of which had an interest in the United States’ removing Hussein, by force if necessary.

The American people needed to know these reservations, and I requested that an unclassified, public version of the NIE be prepared. On Oct. 4, Tenet presented a 25-page document titled “Iraq’s Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs.” It represented an unqualified case that Hussein possessed them, avoided a discussion of whether he had the will to use them and omitted the dissenting opinions contained in the classified version. Its conclusions, such as “If Baghdad acquired sufficient weapons-grade fissile material from abroad, it could make a nuclear weapon within a year,” underscored the White House’s claim that exactly such material was being provided from Africa to Iraq.

From my advantaged position, I had earlier concluded that a war with Iraq would be a distraction from the successful and expeditious completion of our aims in Afghanistan. Now I had come to question whether the White House was telling the truth — or even had an interest in knowing the truth.

On Oct. 11, I voted no on the resolution to give the president authority to go to war against Iraq. I was able to apply caveat emptor. Most of my colleagues could not.


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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:18 AM
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1. Bob Graham Would Have Made A Fine President
He would have won Florida and the White House...Another sad example of style triumphing over substance...
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:19 AM
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2. He says he read it, and he voted against the IWR. I don't see the inconsistency. n/t
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:22 AM
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3. You seem to have missed the point...
try rereading the caveat emptor part

"On Oct. 11, I voted no on the resolution to give the president authority to go to war against Iraq. I was able to apply caveat emptor. Most of my colleagues could not."

Graham was clear on why he voted against the IWR. Obama lied.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:26 AM
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4. Are you sure you're reading that correctly?
He's saying that he was able to apply caveat emptor because he read the NIE, and knew how weak the case was. He also said he tried to get an slightly redacted version out.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:30 AM
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8. You're wrong. Try rereading it. He already knew what was supposed to be in the NIE.
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 07:39 AM by Maribelle
Graham pressed the Bush administration to create the NIE in the first place, appalled that they had not done so already - -and he spoke from authority as chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:43 AM
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17. Yeah, or in other words, he had them produce the NIE, he saw that it was unconvincing, and he
voted no accordingly. I still don't see the lie.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:45 AM
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20. Wrong again.
Graham voted against the IWR because he knew about the information Bush was withholding from the American People. He has been quite clear on this.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:54 AM
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23. The information in the NIE? n/t
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:00 AM
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25. Graham could not have been more clear that his vote against the IWR was outside the NIE
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 08:03 AM by Maribelle
There were troubling aspects to this 90-page document. While slanted toward the conclusion that Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction stored or produced at 550 sites, it contained vigorous dissents on key parts of the information, especially by the departments of State and Energy. Particular skepticism was raised about aluminum tubes that were offered as evidence Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear program. As to Hussein’s will to use whatever weapons he might have, the estimate indicated he would not do so unless he was first attacked.

Under questioning, Tenet added that the information in the NIE had not been independently verified by an operative responsible to the United States. In fact, no such person was inside Iraq. Most of the alleged intelligence came from Iraqi exiles or third countries, all of which had an interest in the United States’ removing Hussein, by force if necessary.

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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:20 AM
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27. So it was the unconvincing NIE, bolstered by Tenet's admission that it was biased?
It's not as cut and dried as you are making it out to be. It's not clear to me that Graham based his decision more on Tenet's admission of biased reporting than on the vigorous dissents contained in the NIE. I've read it three times now, it's open to interpretation. And it's certainly not proof of some nefarious lie.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:41 AM
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29. Nor is it as convoluted as you seem to be claiming ...
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 08:41 AM by Maribelle
Graham did not base his decision on Tenet's admission, nor on the NIE which Obama is claiming.

While the entire article is important, a key factor is this:

From my advantaged position, I had earlier concluded that a war with Iraq would be a distraction from the successful and expeditious completion of our aims in Afghanistan. Now I had come to question whether the White House was telling the truth — or even had an interest in knowing the truth.



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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:10 AM
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32. And you claim that the NIE had nothing to do with that? n/t
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:30 AM
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39. You couldn't be more wrong
Graham asked about an NIE, was suprised one had not already been prepared. When an NIE was prepared, Graham was surprised that the classified version had many more caveats than the de-classified version distributed to Senators' offices and Bush rhetoric. Graham , on the floor of the Senate, most emphatically urged Senators to read the classified version of the NIE before casting their IWR votes. It was the greatest warning he could give to fellow Senators that BushCo was lying, without revealing classified information. Only 6 Senators read the classified NIE (from log-in records). All 6 voted against the IWR. Hillary didn't read the classified NIE, and voted for the IWR. Edwards, despite being a co-sponsor of the IWR, also din't read the NIE.
Graham was my senator, and I was exceptionally pleased with his judgement and political courage in voting against the IWR. Voting for war is perhaps the most serious action a senator can take, and I find it inexcusable that so many chose to score political points by backing a war they figured would be swift, successful, and popular, and they didn't even bother to read the classified NIE.
Oh, and Graham was not the chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee at the time, repugs had taken back the Senate in '02, and Graham was replaced by a repug then.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:31 AM
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45. This doesn't say anything about why he didn't vote for it
It just says that he wasn't buying into the idea. Your thread is a joke.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:27 AM
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5. Pathetic desperation .
Every time you make posts like this more people move to Obama. It's a shame that Hillary and her supporters don't understand what's happening in politics in America today. Keep living the past if you like but the kind of politics practiced by Hillary and her generation is no longer a viable strategy.

Lies, distortions and mindless , baseless phony outrage just doesn't cut it anymore.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:41 AM
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13. Listen, Obama is all over the news this morning about this.
If your too much the coward to discuss the real issue here, you should take a hike.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:36 AM
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46. There is no real issue: your thread is nonsense.
The only 'special information' Graham talks about is that in the 90 page NIE, as opposed to the declassified 25 page document released to the public. Graham makes clear that he ordered the NIE completed before the IWR vote and once he had studied it he was not supportive of the President's position.

Your suggestion that this somehow proves Obama is lying is outright delusional.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:29 AM
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6. Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
I've heard Graham talk about how he knew the intel was bogus and had read the NIE and knew Bush was lying. He voted against the IWR. Obama is absolutely correct in his assessment. Provide an exact quote if you want to parse this down to a legalistic pissing contest.

From many who knew Bush was intent on attacking Iraq, the "political pandering at its worst" were votes like Hillary Clinton's. You can't accept that, want to hide that or refuse to see the obvious reason why someone like her is the LAST PERSON many would want next to the so-called "red phone" at 3AM.





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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:34 AM
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10. Oh please. If you were truly paying attention, you would know Graham demanded the NIE for Congress
Graham did not vote against the IWR because he read the NIE as Obama pretends. Graham already knew what was supposed to be in the NIE. And Graham was furious at the CIA because they covered up important parts. Sorry, you boy is lying on this. Obama does not know what he is talking about.

Now spin some more.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:29 AM
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7. Desperate this morning? I can't believe you'd post this and say Obama lied.
Would you please read the damn article? He was able to apply caveat emptor because he READ the NIE.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:38 AM
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11. Wrong. He was able to apply caveat emptor because ....
he knew the CIA had omitted important information from the NIE. And he knew this because he was the head of a committee that had access to the top-secret information the CIA omitted.

When he ran for President in 2004 Bob Graham was quite clear in his statements that the Bush Administration was withholding critical information from the American people.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:41 AM
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14. Bob Graham read the NIE - how else would he know the CIA omitted important info?
:rofl:
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:43 AM
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16. Obama said Graham voted against the IWR because he read the NIE. Graham said otherwise.
This is a serious matter, not hardly funny. Do you even bother to listen to what Obama is saying - - apparently not.

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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:44 AM
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19. That's it - keep going after that imaginary bone. n/t
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:52 AM
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22. Obama said in this morning's news: Sen Bob Graham cited the NIE as a reason he voted against the war
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 07:53 AM by Maribelle
Obama either misunderstood Bob Graham, who has been quite clear on this issue, or he is lying.


So which is it? Since y'all don't think Obama is a dummy, then it must be that he lied.

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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:42 AM
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41. you are completely wrong
Bob Graham was one of 6 Senators that bothered to read the classified NIE. He warned, as much as publically possible, other Senators that the classified NIE did not make a case for war like the de-classified NIE distributed to Senate Offices, and BushCo rhetoric did. He cast his vote based on the classified NIE not making the case for war. Obama has accurately stated Graham's actions and positions. I'm sorry if that doesn't square with your candidate jumping on the war-wagon hoping to score political points backing a war she mis-calculated would be swift, successful, and popular.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:37 AM
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47. Graham did not say otherwise. WTF?!
You seem to be confusing the classified and declassified versions of the NIE. Read the article again: it doesn't say what you seem to think it says.
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Freida5 Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:30 AM
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9. Didn't he also lie about Rockefeller?
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:40 AM
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12. You are strigning gnats and swallowing camels.
It was not meant to b e an exact quote.. Graham read the NIE and voted against the IWS. What am I missing?
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:42 AM
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15. I didn't read the NIE and knew before the war that it was a bad idea
Most of the Democrats in Congress knew it was a bad idea, as well. Sorry, but Senator Clinton doesn't get a pass when she had access to it, and didn't read it, and voted for it.
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jean627 Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:43 AM
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18. Good Grief!!
I have seen ignorance and miscomprehension and grasping at straws and desperation before, but the OP takes the cake!!

Graham, being on the intelligence committee, saw the raw version of the NIE. Others, not on the committee, were allowed to see ONLY the cherry picked version.

Got that??
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:48 AM
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21. Wrong. There was not a 'raw version'. You made that up.
Graham demanded that the Bush Administration create an NIE because he knew of the critical information that should have been in it.
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jean627 Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:33 AM
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37. OMG
Bless your innocent little heart!!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:55 AM
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:10 AM
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26. tens of millions of people around the world knew
"On Oct. 11, I voted no on the resolution to give the president authority to go to war against Iraq. I was able to apply caveat emptor. Most of my colleagues could not."

we knew it was false ,what is their excuse?
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:25 AM
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28. The point being, of course, Obama said Graham cited the NIE as a reason he voted against the war

Graham was quite adamant that he voted against the IWR because of information the Bush Administration failed to put into the NIE.

Graham couldn't have been more crystal clear on this. And when Graham ran for President in 2004, he reiterated that the Bush Administration was still withholding information. Hence his comments:

From my advantaged position, I had earlier concluded that a war with Iraq would be a distraction from the successful and expeditious completion of our aims in Afghanistan. Now I had come to question whether the White House was telling the truth — or even had an interest in knowing the truth.

On Oct. 11, I voted no on the resolution to give the president authority to go to war against Iraq. I was able to apply caveat emptor. Most of my colleagues could not
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:51 AM
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30. Given that the other Senators knew...
that Graham had information they didn't have (and many were not bothering to avail themselves of the information they did have), you would think that they would have looked to his vote as a clue as to how they should vote. Obama may not have been clear (I don't think he was intending to lie) but he had a point.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:59 AM
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31. I've found there is another thread on this, to which I will defer.
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 09:00 AM by Maribelle
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:38 AM
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33. “Did you read it?” the woman screamed.
Hillary’s War

By JEFF GERTH and DON VAN NATTA Jr.
Published: May 29, 2007


.....

She could have done the reading herself. Senators were able to access the N.I.E. at two secure locations in the Capitol complex. Nonetheless, only six senators personally read the report, according to a 2005 television interview with Senator Jay Rockefeller, Democrat of West Virginia and then the vice chairman of the intelligence panel. Earlier this year, on the presidential campaign trail in New Hampshire, Clinton was confronted by a woman who had traveled from New York to ask her if she had read the intelligence report. According to Eloise Harper of ABC News, Clinton responded that she had been briefed on it.

“Did you read it?” the woman screamed.

Clinton replied that she had been briefed, though she did not say by whom.

The question of whether Clinton took the time to read the N.I.E. report is critically important. Indeed, one of Clinton’s Democratic colleagues, Bob Graham, the Florida senator who was then the chairman of the intelligence committee, said he voted against the resolution on the war, in part, because he had read the complete N.I.E. report. Graham said he found that it did not persuade him that Iraq possessed W.M.D. As a result, he listened to Bush’s claims more skeptically. “I was able to apply caveat emptor,” Graham, who has since left the Senate, observed in 2005. He added regretfully, “Most of my colleagues could not.”

On Tuesday, Oct. 8, 2002, Senate Democrats, including Clinton, held a caucus over lunch on the second floor of the Capitol. There, Graham says he “forcefully” urged his colleagues to read the complete 90-page N.I.E. before casting such a monumental vote.

.....



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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:42 AM
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34. The issue is Graham read it and voted no. Hillary did not read it and voted yes.
That's a significant difference and seems to be the heart of the point Obama is making.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:15 AM
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36. Wrong. Obama lied about Graham merely to bash Hillary.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:31 AM
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40. Then Graham didn't read it?
Your point is so subtle that it is has vanished from the earth.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:45 AM
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35. The lameness has reached epic proportions. n/t
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:57 AM
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38. HUH? I really don't understand what your point is.
The fact remains that before a vote whether or not to authorize war only 6 US Senators read the book, and 94 Senators relied on the CliffsNotes version of intelligence even though they were 'privy' to the full original. The two Senators who pushed hardest to have the US intelligence community compile an NIE, Senator Bob Graham and Senator Dick Durbin, both voted against authorizing military force against Iraq - largely because the full classified 96-page NIE contained many more caveats and dissents than any of the summaries.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/3/20/10952/2513

Sen. Bob Graham's floor statement urging his fellow Senators to read the full classifed NIE. Here is Sen. Graham's statement:

"Friends, I encourage you to read the classified intelligence reports which are much sharper than what is available in declassified form," Sen. Graham reports stating on the floor of the Senate in October 2002.

"We are going to be increasing the threat level against the people of the United States." He warned: "Blood is going to be on your hands."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-boyce/the-iraq-war-vote-was-69_b_50742.html

So your point is that since Graham "pushed for" the creation of the NIE, the fact that he subsequently read it cannot be his motivating factor for voting against the IWR? Since he already knew what would be in it?

Or are you suggesting that Graham didn't actually read the NIE, since he already knew what would be in it, therefore Obama is a liar-liar pants-on-fire?

THAT'S the big "flat out lie" from Obama?
THAT'S a "distortion that is disgusting and pathetic?"
THAT'S what would have dire consequences for the United States of America?

:rofl:
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:48 AM
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42. OP has a comprehension problem
or is flat out lying. Either way, she's grasping at staws. I expect a few more days of feces-flinging from the His44 crowd. :shrug:
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elias7 Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:20 AM
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43. OP utterly discredited. No response or apologies...
:shrug:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:27 AM
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44. I posted this in response.
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