New Hillary Ads Hit Obama's "Judgment"

[GoldieAZ49]

Hits him with his own words, very effective!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l4_jMyV3mY

[GoldieAZ49]

1. This ad is running in Texas n/t

[rodeodance]

26. thanks

[GoldieAZ49]

n/p the shine is off the apple

[blm]

93. This ad targets those who Hillary believes are ignorant of and unfamiliar with senate duties

and she expects the even dumber to help her by spreading her disrespect for the intelligence of the American people.

[GoldieAZ49]

110. Exactly, Senators become chairmen of subcommittees all the time and never have

any meetings of those committees over a period of 18 months while they run for POTUS, regardless of their being a war going on.

FYI, I have never been a Hillary supporter

Now speaking of intelligence, what is Obama going to 'change'? Or are you called to 'hope for change'
and
if we are the ones we have been waiting for, why have we been waiting when "we" have been here all along?

Yes. We. Can.
yes we can......what? BS your way into the WH? I think not, I hope not, I vote not.

[blm]

114. I'm an open government Democrat, and Obama has promised more openness and has

actually advocated for it in the senate.

I know by their record that Clintons side with protecting the secrecy and privilege of closed government, so the choice is crystal clear to me.

I read Congressional Reports and National Security Archives - I don't play the cute sound bite game and don't fall for rhetoric from anyone.

[GoldieAZ49]

116. I agree, open government should be mandatory

and secrecy is all the Clintons are about.

Obama has promised...

He said something to the effect of: I am a blank slate people project what they want on me, no doubt many will be disappointed.

I already am.

[blm]

119. Well, the top open government advocate in the senate supports him, so I will trust

that Obama is serious about it as well. He did craft legislation in the senate to open up the books, and in the debate promised cameras in the room when NEGOTIATIONS are crafting the legislation so the public can see who is carrying water for who.


I'll assume you missed that and just grab what you need to believe you know more than you do and think it's OK to snark away at those who ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT the fuck we're talking about based on the RECORDS.

[GoldieAZ49]

121. He did craft legislation in the senate to open up the books...was it passed into law?

Obama is a politician, nothing more. He is getting just a little pressure now, we will see what is revealed.

And no I do not think you know what the fuck you are talking about. You are just 'carrying water' for Obama. That is your problem, not mine.

[blm]

123. Hahah. The day you get your information from the National Security Archives you will wake up and

realize that Obama is just a bit player at this point that just may break through because he has HONEST lawmakers behind him.

You know little about me. I come late to siding with Obama, but it is based ONLY on open government issues. Carrying water? Hah. I expect Obama and those who support him to carry MY water and the water of any anti-corruption, open government Democrat.

We already know Clintons carry water for Bushes and the powerful elite.

You really want to fuck with the eagles here, you better learn to fly first.

I suggest starting with the National Security Archives. Don't fear the truth about your nation.

[GoldieAZ49]

125. realize that Obama is just a bit player at this point - I agree

and may he stay a bit player

You go ahead and read through the National Security Archives and fuck eagles while you do so.

Thanks, end of discussion

[blm]

128. I don't expect Hillary supporters to have ANY interest in the National Secrity Archives - they're

afraid of what they are pretty sure is contained in those records - That Clintons were GROOMED for their role as Clean up administration that would wear donkey masks as they deep-six all the important matters left outstanding that point to the criminal operations run by BushInc.

[Cha]

135. Wow, what happened to you?

That was so rude.

[stellanoir]

2. With the slim majorities in the two legislative branches, last year we watched

all sorts of hearings and what came of them. . .?

NADA

With * wielding his veto pen like he's cutting brush on his pig farm, Obama's priorities are in order.

[MonkeyFunk]

16. So it's OK to just do nothing?

Not a single oversight hearing about a country we're fighting a war in?

[stellanoir]

66. Well if you have oversight hearings and come up with all sorts of ingenious

recommendations that will invariably and summarily be ignored, what is the bloody point. . .?

'Member the 9/11 commission and the Iraq study groups recommendations and those were Bipartisan committees.

The "speeches versus solutions" meme doesn't jibe with the worthless and ultimately meaningless oversight committees versus proactively inspiring a movement reality.

[MonkeyFunk]

71. How about actually, you know...

INVESTIGATING what's going on there.

Why, after all this time, money and lives, do we basically control downtown Kabul and not much else?

Why, after all this time, money and lives, is the poppy trade bigger than ever?

There's plenty that can be investigated and publicized that doesn't take legislation.

[stellanoir]

74. This country's treasury has been looted and wasted for 7 years.

No bid contracts with no accountability and lawless mercenaries paid big bucks who answer to no one.

We all know what's transpired.

But investigation and exposure can't necessarily provide remedies when the * cabal will just predictably claim National Security and executive privilege as all purpose defenses.

Sheesh. . .We gave the Taliban a brazilian dollars to not grow poppies in the spring of '00. That worked out great (sarcasm) and was never looked into either.

There are mountains of BS to look into for sure.

All in good time.

Better leadership is a first step.

[MonkeyFunk]

78. I can't believe you're actually defending

doing nothing at all. That's just amazing to me.

Is it really that hard to admit he shouldn't have accepted the chairmanship if he was unable to perform the duties required?

[stellanoir]

80. He's hardly been doing nothing at all.

Show me one thing that has come of these committees and hearings since the Neocons pulled off their coup?

It's been a dog and pony show.

I'm not going to judge whether he should have taken the position or not.

Either way, I just don't think it matters much at all.

[MonkeyFunk]

82. LOL

OK... So doing nothing at all is the preferred approach. Gotcha.

[stellanoir]

85. On Fresh Air on NPR right now they are talking about

what baloney it is that 5-6 year into armed conflicts we are still funding them with emergency appropriations.

The guy (Joseph Stiglitz (sp?)) is a Nobel Prize winning economist who's just written a book called "The Three Million Dollar Conflict" and he's saying how impossible it is to get any information about where the money is going.

He's talking about how the mercenaries are getting death benefits and disability beyond their exorbitant wages.

Emergency appropriations = no oversight whatsoever

Better leadership is the preferred approach. IMHO

[mythyc]

87. Quick question MonkeyFunk, or other Clinton-ites

Name one thing Hillary has done in a leadership role in the Senate since beginning her own bid for the the nomination.

If you can't do that, name one thing Hillary has accomplished on her own at all in the Senate in the same span of time.

If you can't do that, name one thing she's simply done, besides a vote on a measure she wasn't involved in drafting.

By the time stamp on your past 5 postings, I'll assume you're still online, which means that if it takes more than a couple minutes to answer even one of these questions, you had to go drudge up the information online instead of being able to recall it from memory. Which wouldn't make one either a reliable or an objective critic of either side, no?

[mythyc]

91. still waiting for that answer...

I've seen you post elsewhere, so know you're online. what's the matter, criticism only valid in one direction?

[MonkeyFunk]

113. Why change the subject?

People have posted lots of things she's done in the Senate... go find them.

This is about Obama chairing a subcommittee, and never convening even once, and how people can defend that.

So let's stay on topic - defend Obama accepting the chairmanship of a subcommittee with important oversight responsibilities, then never convening. Go ahead.

[Mags]

107. Hey,

anything BO does or BO does not do is ok for his fans. No matter what it is, they are blinded by his halo light.

[GoldieAZ49]

108. followers not supporters

that is what is scary about his "movement"

[rodeodance]

130. great way to put it.

[rug]

60. Inspiring defense.

[stellanoir]

67. "tanks"

:hi:

[Why Syzygy]

98. You said it, sista.

CHAIRMAN OF A SUBCOMMITTEE .. and HE was supposed to solve THIS MESS??? >>


Army plans to cut length of combat tours in Iraq
But Tuesday, GOP lawmakers made a tactical decision to allow further debate of the measure. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said he welcomed the opportunity to discuss progress in Iraq.
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na...


Sarah Chayes, author and former journalist who has been helping rebuild Afghanistan after the fall of the Taliban regime, with a look at the front lines of America's war there.

February 15, 2008
Recent official reports have touted many successes in Afghanistan, but the country still faces many problems. Back to back bombings in one week of February 2008 left over 140 dead — leading to calls from NATO leadership for troop increases. In addition, Afghanistan's government ranks high on indices of corruption and more and more Afghans are turning to opium production for money and the Taliban for security. According to the U.S. Department of State, "Afghanistan is the world's leading producer of illicit opiates."
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/02222008/profile2.htm...


NATO may follow if Canada exits Afghanistan
1 day ago

OTTAWA (AFP) — Canada's defense minister urged parliament to keep its 2,500 troops in Afghanistan until 2011, warning that an earlier withdrawal could lead its NATO allies to abandon the shaky nation too.
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h4mnjEaMsbFDipu18x3...


Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq top index of weak states
Tue 26 Feb 2008, 17:16 GMT
(Adds White House reaction)

By Sue Pleming

WASHINGTON, Feb 26 (Reuters) - Somalia, Afghanistan, the Democratic Republic of Congo and Iraq are the four weakest states in the world, according to an index of fragile nations released by two U.S. think tanks on Tuesday.
http://africa.reuters.com/wire/news/usnN26236536.html

[soundguy]

3. In Over A Year No Oversight Hearings?

Wow one of the only "jobs" he has had and he doesn't even bother to show up. Yeah he is qualified alright. Unfortunately I doubt the Obama Lemmings will care.

[blm]

4. Biden and Kerry's hearings on Pakistan and Iraq and Mideast were dealing with that oversight - what

Hillary is calling for here is TOTAL BULLSHIT meant to fool the gullible.

Were Obama to try and hold hearings that were DUPLICATES of Biden and Kerry's efforts, TeamClinton would have called him for showboating and wasting senate time.

[GoldieAZ49]

7. Why would they have the committee set up, and why would he accept Charimanship

of it?

We are at war in Afghanistan, it should have been given his time, or he should have resigned.

His words in the debate didn't push it off on Biden or Kerry as covering it. That is a lame defense of the indefensible.

[blm]

19. Baloney - it shows how little Clinton supporters know about jurisdiction. Kerry and Biden

were and ARE in charge of those regions. Obama showed up for those hearings and the transcripts are available.

Hillary TWISTED Obama's duties for Europe INTO an argument about the war and only those naive about those senate duties and her gullible supporters would dare to pretend that the distortion has merit.

[GoldieAZ49]

27. So Obama is not the Chair of the committee? He lied in the debate? n/t

[blm]

31. On Europe - which does have some interests in the overall war debate, but not pressing as

Biden and Kerry's committees, since they have LONG BEEN the leading experts in these areas.

Unlike the Clintons whose decisions to let Poppy Bush and Jackson Stephens and many other unsavory characters off the hook throughout the 90s on IranContra and BCCI matters led directly to the growing muscle of global terrorism and protected those who were enabling the funding through drugrunning, armsdealing and nuclear proliferation operations.

[rodeodance]

36. Poor judgement that he not know that PERCEPTIONS matter.

[blm]

42. And poor governance that depends on LIES and spin to campaign and govern as they protect Bushes

and their cronies. Dems get the sink thrown at them while Bushes and the powerful elite get their crimes of office swept under the rug.

Clintons sure have EARNED that perception as cleanup caretakers for the Bushes and their legacies.

[rodeodance]

47. have no fear---Hillary is a "will-do" person:-)

[blm]

57. WILL DO continue the protection of Bushes and the powerful elite - and her supporters don't care

and would like to sit back and watch it happen all over again. It worked out so well for this nation the first time.

[Nedsdag]

100. WILL DO?

You mean Won't Do!

She certainly didn't do health care and don't bring up S-CHIP because that was Ted Kennedy's plan. She decided to stick her ass up front and propose it for herself.

[karynnj]

62. You mean misperceptions started by a disengenuous HRC

The same HRC that threw in at the NH debate that though he spoke against the Patriot Act he voted for it in Congress later. (In fact it was a revised version.) To make matters worse, HRC voted for cloture with the Republicans to stop further work on fixing the bill, thus bringing it to a vote. So:

1) HRC voted for the original act (with everyone but Feingold)
2) HRC voted for cloture - stopping discussion on the bill and bringing it to a vote - while Obama was with the "NAYES"
3) Both Obama and Clinton voted for the vote because the alternative was likely the old one stayed in place.

Here is the cloture vote:
U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 109th Congress - 2nd Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate

Vote Summary

Question: On the Cloture Motion (Motion to Invoke Cloture on S. 2271 )
Vote Number: 23 Vote Date: February 28, 2006, 02:33 PM
Required For Majority: 3/5 Vote Result: Cloture Motion Agreed to
Measure Number: S. 2271
Measure Title: A bill to clarify that individuals who receive FISA orders can challenge nondisclosure requirements, that individuals who receive national security letters are not required to disclose the name of their attorney, that libraries are not wire or electronic communication service providers unless they provide specific services, and for other purposes.
Vote Counts: YEAs 69
NAYs 30
Not Voting 1
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State

Alphabetical by Senator Name
Akaka (D-HI), Nay
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Allen (R-VA), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Nay
Bayh (D-IN), Nay
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Nay
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burns (R-MT), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Nay
Cantwell (D-WA), Nay
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Chafee (R-RI), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
Dayton (D-MN), Nay
DeMint (R-SC), Yea
DeWine (R-OH), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Nay
Dole (R-NC), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Nay
Durbin (D-IL), Nay
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Frist (R-TN), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Not Voting
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Jeffords (I-VT), Nay
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Nay
Kerry (D-MA), Nay
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Lieberman (D-CT), Nay
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Menendez (D-NJ), Nay
Mikulski (D-MD), Nay
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Nay
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Obama (D-IL), Nay
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Nay
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Salazar (D-CO), Nay
Santorum (R-PA), Yea
Sarbanes (D-MD), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Sununu (R-NH), Yea
Talent (R-MO), Yea
Thomas (R-WY), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Nay


The point is that in both of these charges, HRC is using the same technique Bush used in 2004 on Kerry's votes on funding - what she is saying is technically true - but it completely violates the essential truth on the issues. The Europe committee would NOT have held hearings if Dodd, Kerry, Boxer, Feingold .... had that chairmanship - because it was the responsibility for the NE Asia committee! On the Patriot Act, it was an attempt to ignore that Obama was more of a civil rights libertarian than she and to imply a contradicition where none existed.

[karynnj]

50. He is the chair of the SUB-committee that oversees Europe

Biden is the chair of the SFRC and Kerry is the chair of the SUB-committee that oversees NE and Saoth Asia. Afghanistan was always under the committee that Kerry now heads.

[Lucinda]

63. His committee covers NATO and thereby NATO in Afghanistan

And the EU for that matter.

[blm]

And if there was a PROBLEM in those areas he would have called a hearing - but for what was CURRENT

and pressing in that region, both Biden and Kerry's committees were the critical areas.

Trying to push a hearing for political show is detrimental to the debate and would have diluted the serious issues being dealt with in the committees that required the attention of the SFRC senators.

[Lucinda]

73. Link for ya

http://www.nato.int/issues/afghanistan/index.html

[blm]

79. And - what part of it became a pressing issue requiring hearings separate from Kerry and Biden's?

.

[zulchzulu]

104. Hillary has always been going for the Dumbass Vote

It's verified that dumbasses believe Hillary. Dumb fucks. Those that are the least sharp. Those that probably don't read. That's her strength....stupidity.

[karynnj]

46. Becasue the Afghan war was always addessed in the NE ASIA committee

- because the is where it is - and in the full committee because it is so important. This is a cheap shot by HRC - and I hope Biden and Kerry answer it.

[blm]

84. It's a cheap shot against Hillary's supporters - it proves SHE BELIEVES they are stupid

enough to help her push this lie and that the public is so stupid they, too, will buy this line of BS she is throwing.

[Why Syzygy]

103. Joe Wilson is pushing it >

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-wilson/obamas-hollow-judgment_b_89441.html

[blm]

115. He's being a good soldier for Hillary. Clintons go thru 'good soldiers' like Bushes do.

I'll talk to him next year and see how he feels.

[karynnj]

106. If it means anything my 17 year old who gets to vote in November

reacted to it by laughing and saying "Afghanistan is not in Europe. Isn't there a committee for that area?" She cut me off shortly after "Yes and it's had meetings and is headed By Senator Kerry."

[Why Syzygy]

102. Subcommittee on NATO and EUROPE.

Where do you see Afghanistan in that title?

[karynnj]

127. The sub-committee is covering EUROPE

The staffers are experts on EUROPE. He has had hearings on ambassadors. He also was the one who questioned needs in Europe when Dr Rice was at a hearing in 2006 on the State Department budget.

I think his work on this recent bill with Lugar likely came out of the work of this committee - proliferation being more an issue in the former USSR. A REAL national security credential. Having his name on this important bill is an extremely good accomplishment.

[kentuck]

5. She still doesn't get it.

And neither do most of her supporters. It is not just about judgement or experience. It is about change. That is the issue that she needs to address. She needs to convince the voters that she is the candidate of "change". People are sick of politics in Washington and especially George Bush and Dick Cheney and any of their supporters.

[GoldieAZ49]

every election is about change

not showing up to do the job you have accepted is not exactly change for the better.

What is Obama going to change and how?

[Nedsdag]

101. What change will Hillary bring?

Keeping the seat down in the Oval Office rest room isn't much change.

[Benhurst]

35. We got more "change" under George W. Bush than under any

president since Washington. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights have both been shredded and we have an unconstitutional "Unitary Executive" whether we like it or not.

The American people have bought into "change" as a slogan just as they did "The New Nixon." Why am I not surprised?

[kentuck]

56. A lot of people bought into George W Bush and his policies...

and never challenged him on them.

[TexasObserver]

6. Hillary has terrible judgment. Everything she tries in the campaign fails.

She's clueless, and soon will be out of our hair, thank God.

[rodeodance]

18. How the ad running in TX for you?

[Apollo11]

8. Previously on "She said, He said"

She said: www.youtube.com/watch?v=M70emIFxETs

He said: www.youtube.com/watch?v=879o1_pxO0c

[rodeodance]

24. Obama at the debates: I AGREE WITH HILLARY

[MethuenProgressive]

9. Fantastic ad. BO: "It's true I'm a slacker senator"

:kick:

[Zachstar]

10. Bring the troops home from war huh?

You mean the ones you helped send over there with your vote?

ONE MORE DAY AND IT IS OVER!!!

[Mags]

12. also the war that BO voted to fund.

[GoldieAZ49]

13. Obama's exchange with McCain shows he will not end the war n/t

And it doesn't look like H is going to drop out any time soon

[rodeodance]

17. 33$$$raised in Feb-------let the ads FLOW

[SaveOurDemocracy]

11. Very effective ad.

:kick:

[rodeodance]

14. *******SMART gal***you gooooooooo Hillary**********

[oasis]

15. k and r on "Obama's Judgement".

[rodeodance]

20. *****go rate up on YOU -Tube please*****

[high density]

21. Hum, I was hoping this would have linked to my favorite late 1980s hit song

Instead it's one of Hillary's GOP-style ads. Too bad.

[rodeodance]

25. too bad

[BlackVelvet04]

22. Great video....K&R

[rodeodance]

23. and off to the GREATEST

[CyberPieHole]

28. Obama: SLACKER EXTRAORDINAIRE!!!

:kick: and rec

[cryte9]

30. lol, just like his hipster supporters!

[elixir]

29. I think her campaign has found a pretty solid argument here. I like the ad, but, I'm a supporter.

[blm]

32. Sure - if one is as gullible about senate duties as Hill camp ASSUMES. They see public as stupid

and are treating them to distortions the same way Rove treats GOP voters.

No respect for the gullible.

[rodeodance]

34. The Union folk in OHIO sent him a letter to explain himself. Poor judgement that he ignores them

[blm]

41. Campaign pressure - wow - doesn't make it honest does it? It's typical twisting

meant to make a mountain out of a molehill while Clintons continue to maintain their protection of BushInc. They know she can't win now, so they want Obama damaged and will lie and twist to make sure McCain has what he needs to further their distortions.

Clintons want Obama to appear to lose to McCain, just as they wanted Gore and Kerry to appear to lose Bush.

That's their method of operation.
http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

[elixir]

95. What do you mean, she showed up for more votes than Obama. It's easy to blame someone when you don'

t have to vote on it.

[backscatter712]

33. Ain't she just the sweetest little Rovian.

Attack their strengths - straight out of KKKarl Rove's playbook.

[rodeodance]

37. ha ha ha. Hillary is hittle back and you are upset. too bad

[backscatter712]

45. I don't see her ahead by 25 points.

Go over to http://realclearpolitics.com/ and check the delegate numbers.

I'll wait.

Go ahead and calculate exactly how many delegates she needs to win in Ohio and Texas just to stay in the game.

Here on the Obama side, we were anticipating that we might not win Ohio, but we're still damn close, and proud of our achievements - we were behind by 20 points, now we're behind by five.

We're winning in Texas, and a five point victory in Ohio isn't enough to stop the Obama train.

Nice to have perspective, isn't it?

[rodeodance]

49. you go count them

[backscatter712]

53. I did.

I just wanted to make sure you've seen the numbers. They don't lie...

[GoldieAZ49]

75. with the NAFTA memo hitting the news tonight, don't count those votes just yet

and don't ever count Hillary out, she is no rookie to politics

[elixir]

96. NAFTA "memo" .... did I miss something? Color me confused.

[backscatter712]

97. Yet another unsubstantiated rumor.

The rumor was that an Obama staffer allegedly told a rep of Canada's PM Harper "not to worry about the anti-NAFTA stuff" with a wink.

Both the Canadian government and Obama's campaign have flatly denied this.

It's a rumor of the quality you'd get from the Drudge Report - about as reliable as the "Obama is a Muslim" crap.

[rodeodance]

131. ha ha--eveing news did great piece on it---showed BO as a wishy washy

[GoldieAZ49]

99. The CTV story that was here last week

Is hitting the MSM TODAY

It is on the AP reports
CNN and FNC

Probably the others as well, and Hillary is calling him on it Today in her stump speech

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4856985&mesg_id=4856985

[GoldieAZ49]

38. A strength to be a no show on the committee you chair cuz your running for POTUS?

strange concept.

[backscatter712]

51. See reply number 4.

There was already lots of oversight on Afghanistan courtesy of Biden and Kerry, and Obama calling his own hearings on the same subject would have duplicated efforts and stepped on toes.

There's lies, damn lies, statistics, then there's analysis of political records...

[GoldieAZ49]

55. and it should all be made public...

so Americans can make an informed vote

[rodeodance]

39. THANKS---wonderful post

[AtomicKitten]

40. "I put you in that war and I'll take you out." That should go over nicely. ;)

[GoldieAZ49]

43. It was Bushes war, not Hillary's

see Joe Wilson's comments on Obama's 2002 speech on the war during his reelection campaign...just more campaign rhetoric.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4847426&mesg_id=4847426

[AtomicKitten]

52. She abdicated her war-declaring powers to an idiot & triangulating won't help defend that mess.

[GoldieAZ49]

77. she and others running for office did not want to limit the power of the POTUS

check all the ones that ran, it is nothing new.

[krkaufman]

44. ha!! So we're not catching bin Laden because ...

... Obama hasn't held any oversight meetings of his subcommittee since he took it over in 2007, and NOT BECAUSE nearly all of our resources had been diverted to Iraq in 2003, under authorization supported by Hillary Clinton?

:rofl:

[rodeodance]

48. Yes. very poor judgement on obama's part--

[krkaufman]

61. I know you are, so what am I?

There's a fairly wide line between pitiable and laughable, and you're well into :rofl:

[dana_b]

70. yes, he did have poor judgement however

I don't believe that Clinton has the upper hand on judgement.

[karynnj]

64. Not to mention that it is hard to believe that an Obama led hearing

would do something the many full committee and NE Asia committee hearings - headed by Biden and Kerry respectively didn't. Are you saying that Kerry, with the staff that is expert on that area is less competent than Obama in leading a hearing.

There have been 3 hearings already this year - and one included NATO.

[krkaufman]

72. Hey, I think the charge is political nonsense.

... but nonsense that may carry some weight with the uninformed voter. I doubt very much that Obama's subcommittee could have done anything substantial, and I'd personally prefer that he spent his time trying to win the Presidency, to effect real change.

[karynnj]

86. That's why I think he needs to counter this now that it is on ad

He could easily address why there were no Afghanistan hearings - he has had hearings on ambassador appointments, but no substantive hearings. I wonder if the work on the bill with Lugar came out of this sub-committee. (It would make sense as much of the problem is in the European part of the former USSR.) Even getting Kerry ( or Biden, who is not one of his surrogates or supporters - but it is his committee being attacked) out there to speak of the hearings would show this for the nonsense it is. Part of the problem is that that should have been the first line of his answer.

[krkaufman]

89. Agreed. Obama choked on that response.

He should have been more prepared with a response on that question.

[karynnj]

105. But in fairness, those debates have to be nerve racking

A slip up can be incredibly costly. (It's like knowing you would choke if you actually went on jeopardy, but you can impress your kids knowing most of the answers sitting in the kitchen.)

The twist in that question was the mention of Afghanistan. He knew there were hearings - but likely HAD been prepared to respond as he did if she hit him on having no oversight hearings - a charge that was already out there. The Afghan twist turns it to national security and leaves some thinking that there were no hearings. My 17 year old voter in Nov laughed at it saying Afghanistan is not in Europe - don't they have a committee for countries like Afghanistan. After I said "yes" - that was all she wanted to know.

[krkaufman]

124. True. Obama may have simply balked in the face of trying to explain the whole ...

... Obama sub-committee covers Europe, NATO is in Europe, NATO is handling Afghanistan effort, other committees are providing oversight for our Afghanistan involvement, mooting Obama subcommittee considerations.

[grrr050]

92. Now you are worried?

You should have been before your guy started running NAFTA ads that carry "some" weight with the "uninformed" voter? Now you know how it feels to be a victim of cheap shots.(Not that this Clinton ad is a cheap shot}.

[krkaufman]

94. I wouldn't call the ad a cheap shot ...

... just typical political spinning of another candidate's record, except for the fact that Obama's subcommittee likely wouldn't address NATO issues in regards to Afghanistan, owing to other overriding committees on that issue. In that respect, it is misleading; but standard.

I just find it hilarious that Hillary is criticizing Obama's lack of holding any meetings over the last year as somehow having an effect on Afghanistan -- when the biggest factor is the Iraq war, which she authorized.

As for knowing how it feels to be the victim of cheap shots, thanks for the sympathy, but it's not a new feeling. I've seen my candidates taking cheap shots from Hillary throughout this campaign, so her most recent ads are nothing new; just an increase in amplitude.

[bvar22]

54. Hillary doing what Hillary does best.....attacking Democrats!

You just have to wish Hillary had worked this hard attacking Republicans over the Invasion of Iraq, The Patriot Act, The Military Commissions Act, Gitmo, Extraordinary Rendition, AbuGhraib, Falujah Massacre, Politicizing the Courts, Recess Appointments, Gonzalez Perjury, unanswered Subpoenas, seating Alito & Roberts on the Supreme Court....

Where was Hillary "The Fighter" when America needed her?
The same place she is today....Helping Republicans!

[rodeodance]

65. NO FEAR----she will get to the Repugs when she finishes up on Obama

[Little Star]

58. The truth is upsetting to some. Good on Hillary!!!!!

[Beacool]

59. Great ad!!!!

Funny that the Obama fans accuse Hillary of using Republican tactics when they don't seem to be bothered in the least when he attacks her.

Oh, the hypocrisy...........


:eyes:

[jmg257]

68. Of course, she WAS too busy to vote on the FISA bills, our LIBERTY here at home must mean nothing..

Especially when there is ALWAYS fear of our national security to take advantage of.

[galadrium]

69. Kinda the same way Hill didn't have time to read the NIE before voting for war

[rodeodance]

81. time just flies some days

[amborin]

76. and14 million dollars in gov't money

The New York Times

June 14, 2007 Thursday
Late Edition - Final

An Obama Patron and Friend Until an Indictment in Illinois

BYLINE: By CHRISTOPHER DREW and MIKE McINTIRE

Antoin Rezko, an entrepreneur of considerable charm who found riches in fast food and real estate, is known around Chicago as a collector of politicians.

Back in the 1990s, Mr. Rezko's office was adorned with framed photos of candidates he viewed as up-and-comers. Among them was Barack Obama, a state legislator whose first campaign donations included $2,000 from Mr. Rezko's companies. As Mr. Obama built a career that carried him to the Senate in 2004, Mr. Rezko was there with him, holding fund-raisers and rallying support.

Now, as Mr. Obama runs for president, the once-beneficial relationship with his old friend and patron has become problematic.

Last fall, Mr. Rezko was indicted on federal charges of business fraud and influence peddling involving the administration of Gov. Rod R. Blagojevich of Illinois, whose picture was also on Mr. Rezko's wall. Since then, Mr. Obama, a Democrat, has had to answer questions about a land deal with Mr. Rezko's wife, Rita, and about other ties to him.

Since early June, Mr. Obama has given to charity more than $21,000 in donations that his Senate campaign had received from Rezko associates now linked to the federal inquiries. He gave away $11,500 from Mr. Rezko himself last fall.

Mr. Obama says he never did any favors for Mr. Rezko, who raised about $150,000 for his campaigns over the years and was once one of the most powerful men in Illinois. There is no sign that Mr. Obama, who declined to be interviewed for this article, did anything improper.

Mr. Obama has portrayed Mr. Rezko as a one-time fund-raiser whom he had occasionally seen socially. But interviews with more than a dozen political and business associates suggest that the two men were closer than the senator has indicated.

Mr. Obama turned to Mr. Rezko for help at several important junctures. Records show that when Mr. Obama needed cash in the waning days of his losing 2000 Congressional campaign, Mr. Rezko rounded up thousands of dollars from business contacts. In 2003, Mr. Rezko helped Mr. Obama expand his fund-raising for the Senate primary by being host of a dinner at his Mediterranean-style home for 150 people, including some whose names have since come up in the influence scandal.

And when Mr. Obama and his wife, Michelle, bought a house in 2005, Mr. Rezko stepped in again. Even though his finances were deteriorating, Mr. Rezko arranged for his wife to buy an adjacent lot, and she later sold the Obamas a 10-foot-wide strip of land that expanded their yard.

The land sale occurred after it had been reported that Mr. Rezko was under federal investigation. That awkward fact prompted Mr. Obama, who has cast himself as largely free from the normal influences of politics, to express regret over what he called his own bad judgment.

''Senator Obama is a very intelligent man, and everyone by then was very familiar with who Tony Rezko was,'' said Cindi Canary, executive director of the Illinois Campaign for Political Reform, a nonpartisan research group. ''So it was a little stunning that so late in the game Senator Obama would still have such close involvement with Rezko.''

While it is not clear what Mr. Rezko got from the relationship, he liked to display his alliances with politicians, including Mr. Obama.

In one instance, when he was running for the Senate, Mr. Obama stopped by to shake hands while Mr. Rezko, an immigrant from Syria, was entertaining Middle Eastern bankers considering an investment in one of his projects.

with $14 million in government money, The Chicago Sun-Times reported in its June 13 editions. The developers received $855,000 in fees.]

Mr. Obama's spokesman, Bill Burton, said the senator was one of several politicians who intervened because the project was important to local residents.

[BlackVelvet04]

83. K&R

[zulchzulu]

88. I finally figured out who Hillary reminds me of

There was some girl in my high school that was an A student because she could memorize factoids, yet when it came to actually understanding the reasons behind the facts, she was lost.

She was a clammy know-it-all that annoyed so many people with her antics and particularly a Biology teacher who was sick of her always raising her hand when a question was asked and blurting out the answer.

He had a test where you had to do more than just memorize the facts and had to base the reasons for particular biological adaptations on evolutionary theory. It demanded an imagination, not a robotic kneejerk machine. She got an F on the test.

Last I heard, this woman has gone through multiple marriages where the husband left her and she's in dire straights.

The Hillary Clinton campaign can be surmised in what I remember about this student. She had her memorized answers (like how it was her turn), but when the tables were turned, she failed miserably.

This ad attacks Obama for what appear to be the last vestiges of desperation before she is publicly humiliated nationally again when she has to drop out.

Wednesday can't come too soon.

[mythyc]

90. Don't you love how Hillary's official youtube vids have the comments censored?

"pending approval" ... i thought she has been vetted :shrug:

you're not allowed to rate the propagandistic comments of the drones who do get through either. real upstanding operation they have going on over there.

[Maribelle]

109. Obama's judgment rests on one speech he cloned from other folks in Congress

And he has never one said how "I know"

[blm]

120. And Clintons' political careers were developed by BushInc's closest allies. YOU VOTE FOR MORE

protection of the Bushes and the fascist agenda.

[kikiek]

111. What a great ad. Hillary is what we need. Go Hillary!

[GeorgeGist]

112. I surprised Hillary doesn't understand ...

that subcommittees serve at the behest of the main Committee. She should direct her complaints to Joe Biden.

[boston bean]

117. He talked about the poor soldier who had to take arms off of dead afghanis because

the US was so incompetent and they weren't given enough ammo and guns.

And he can't find the time to do one god damned thing about it?

Says alot about who he really is!

[GoldieAZ49]

122. Running for POTUS is time consuming... Priorities do speak volumes

I don't see why he couldn't have done both, I mean 18 months without 1 meeting?

[Straight Shooter]

118. That ad is devastating!

Come on, Obama, say it, you know you want to: It was a boneheaded mistake not to convene any meetings.

[indimuse]

126. K&R!!!

:dem: :kick:

[Maribelle]

129. Bamb!

[Qanisqineq]

132. .

kick

[libbygurl]

133. Kickety-kick!

[oasis]

134. Experience, judgement, leadership. that's Hillary. I kick and recommend this thread.

[rodeodance]

136. yes,--very clever--smacking him his own word!!

[froggy0]

137. wonderful ad!

[judaspriestess]

138. K&R

[Raffi Ella]

139. yup! I'd say it is INCREDIBLY effective!

K&R! :kick:

[Maddy McCall]

140. K/R

[Imagevision]

141. I'm staying positive with Obama, Hillary is just a bummer to even think about...

[JoFerret]

142. It's a very effective ad.

.

[robbedvoter]

143. Sweet!

[amborin]

144. like obama's decision to water down the nuclear waste bill in illinois

letting nuclear waste contaminate the water supply

[susankh4]

145. And the sellout to Maytag

Here's the point....

This guy is supposed to be a fresh face. He is supposed to be "baggage free."

Already i am weary of all the corruption. And we haven't event made the GE yet.

Obama fatigue is setting in with many of my family and friends. Even the ones in MA, who voted for him on Super Tuesday!

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

146. contrast with O's last Tx/OH ad. says it all.

bye-bye, Hillary.