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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:41 PM
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This is what to expect from President Hillary Clinton
promise 500,000 jobs, but lost 30,000, this happens in her state of NY.

Why isn't the media asking her questions about these promises.

She is doing the same thing now,

Promising Health Care

Homeland Security (pick up the phone)

More jobs

Do you believe Hillary will deliver, these are question for voters
in Texas and Ohio.

heres your proof, should in case you're still undecided......


http://www.youtube.com/v/-fuqCppkfuc


:banghead: :banghead:
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:43 PM
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1. This was asked during a debate
She exped Al Gore to win the presidency which would have given her better tools with which to create jobs
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:44 PM
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2. also known as:
thought she was poised to collect on jobs created by pres Gore.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:45 PM
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4. Is that better judgment
or is she blaming someone else for her incapabilities?

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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:44 PM
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3. oh but she said that because she was counting on Gore being President.
In other words, no plan B on how to make it happen if Gore lost.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:47 PM
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6. Listen to the second part of the question
she promised 500,000 in NY, but loose 30,000, how is that good judgment?

Is that fighting for the people of this country or taking care of special

interests.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:56 PM
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15. Its not good judgement at all.
Kinda like claiming that the price of oil would drop substantially the day she gets sworn into office. Why the hell would she even say such a thing?! Its beyond me.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:48 PM
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8. Failure to come up with Plans B & C & D seem to be quite the
problem with her don't they? Oh yeah, just what I want in a president-:rofl:
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:00 PM
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17. No kidding.
The Plan A or fuck it mentality scares the shit out of me. :scared:
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:46 PM
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5. Ready on Day One to make excuses
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:49 PM
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10. Exactly. If anyone thinks she will suddenly "change" if elected?
Please.

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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:50 PM
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11. If all else fail, blame it on
someone else....thats what to expect of her Presidency

ready on day one to blame.

Its everyones fault, even on the premise of gross failure.
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:47 PM
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7. She can't take responsibility for anything.
She had the wrong vote on the war? It's because Condi mislead her.
She can't deliver on her campaign promises? It's Gore's fault for losing the election.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:18 PM
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41. lol!! thats the Hillary we've all come to love
Hee-la-ree Hee-la-ree Hee-la-ree

:evilgrin:
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:49 PM
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9. next Hillary excuse: I thought we would have DEM congress
but there wasn't a Dem majority because thanks to Hillary, the down ticket was lost.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:50 PM
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12. She failed to pass Universal Healthcare with a Democratically Controlled Congress
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:11 PM
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22. and pissed off democrats, and many mod GOPers in the process.
I cannot believe that any rational person who was awake and aware back then could ever think of her as an expert on health care after that fiasco.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:52 PM
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13. Well, she sure spends a lot of time trying to INCREASE
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 02:01 PM by lapfog_1
the number of H1B visas... that's sort of like job creation, isn't it?

:sarcasm: (leave this off and god knows who will agree with you)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:54 PM
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14. Yup...
technically speaking, it sure is.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:07 PM
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18. Uh no... technically speaking, it isn't
It IS increasing the number of employees available to work at a job that already exists, but it certainly does NOT create new jobs.

(hint, the first post was :sarcasm:)
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:59 PM
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16. ????
really, instead of building jobs here first you build job overseas, what happens to the Americans
that needs jobs, shouldn't they be considered first, why bring in outsiders? this beats me..
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:12 PM
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23. H1B is not about overseas jobs.
It's about allowing foreign workers into the US to work at jobs because there are NO qualified people in the US available to work at that job.

Speaking as someone in the high tech field, this is bullshit. There are plenty of qualified US workers that can fill those jobs, we should be reducing the number of H1B visas issued, not increasing them. However, many employers like to hire H1B visa workers because they cost must less and are much easier to fire than US workers... hence, many of the "ownership" class in Silicon valley (i.e. Repuke "lite") love to donate huge amounts of money to Hillary, because she endorses an INCREASE in the number of H1B visas.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:20 PM
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I understand your post now
after reading your response to another post, please try and use the emoticons.....

that'll help in these times of high emotions.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:32 PM
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29. I try... it's a constant failing of mine
I'm sarcastic by nature anyway... and I think that so many are "up" on every issue that they recognize the sarcasm right away.

I've been getting better at it... honestly!

But, every once in a while...
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:07 PM
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19. I believe she made that promise before 9/11
You can hardly fault her for the effects of 9/11 on the New York economy.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:07 PM
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20. actually, she promised 200k jobs for upstate
I really find this line of attack shallow and a real discredit to the Obama supporters who employ it. I don't think any reasonable person is going to hold Hillary responsible for the crap economy of the last seven years. Most folks who have been paying attention attribute the woeful state of our economy to George Bush and his administration.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:10 PM
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21. You need to check your facts
pal, she made this promise during her Senate campaign, she promised 200,000 jobs

but lost 30,000 deal with it....its the facts goddam it.

Stop being ignorant.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:23 PM
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27. don't call me ignorant.
If you've got a point to make, make it without personal insults.

The FACTS - as I pointed out - are that she promised 200k jobs, not 500k LIKE YOU POSTED.

The fact also is that George Bush is far more responsible for the state of our economy than Hillary is.

Most reasonable people understand this.

You clearly are not a reasonable person.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:02 PM
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38. Promising 200,00 jobs and
delivering negative 30,000 does not change a thing, (whether its 500,000) pointing fingers at someone Else's incompetence does not give her credit either....just excuses, makes her look bad.

If she is good as she wants us to believe, she could have created jobs,

she could have lobby...yes lobby the very same corporations she keeps taking special interest from, to keep their jobs here in America, especially upstate New York.


Yes blame George Bush, he is responsible for jobs in New York, not her being incompetent.


Your point is pointless.


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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:26 PM
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28. Don't Call People "Ignorant" While Hiding Behind Your Dad's Computer, "Goddam It",
SONNED
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:41 PM
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31. Why? He was right. She did promise those jobs.
I don't understand, did she get those jobs or not?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:42 PM
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33. The Jobs Were Predicated On Someone Other Than Bush* Being President
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:50 PM
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34. Oh, I see. She won't be creating jobs next year either, I guess.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:57 PM
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36. No... Senators Don't Create Jobs Nor Do Poor Presidents...
Truth be told neither really create private sector jobs... They can create a poor or good environment I guess...
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:57 PM
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37. No... Senators Don't Create Jobs Nor Do Poor Presidents...
Truth be told neither really create private sector jobs... They can create a poor or good environment I guess...
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:25 PM
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43. Well, at least you're being
honest, you guessing....soooo, let us give time and space to those that

aren't guessing explained it in a way that can benefits all of us, instead

of hijacking my thread with non-stop BS.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:15 PM
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40. lol!!
oh really, :rofl: now thats the idea, let me see.....hmmm.....oh!!.....I get it.....

ready from day one to pass the buck.....huh.. huh....thats a President the American people

can believe in. :wow:
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:09 PM
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39. Oh shit, I guess you must be
smelling my ass, for you to know I'm behind my dad's computer, is that the best

you have?

Ad hominem = imbecile

:banghead:
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:42 PM
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32. It's called "holding her feet to the fire" for all the campaign promises she made in 2000.
What is wrong with that?
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:52 PM
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35. it's a shallow argument, which I pointed out.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:21 PM
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42. When it comes to Hillary
the argument is shallow, yet Barrack gives false HOPE.

Who is false in this context? :shrug:

She can't leave up to campaign promises....why should people trust her this time?
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:53 PM
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45. See, it's not her fault, spokane, it's Al Gore's!!! hahahahahaha! Yeah, right!
Hillary never, never - let me repeat - never accepts responsibility for her screwing up.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:47 PM
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46. why should people trust her?
well, I'd say it's because MOST people aren't complete fucking idiots and aren't going to blame a person for circumstances beyond their control in an effort to score cheap political points.

The people in NY, especially those upstate, didn't seem to blame her for not living up to her campaign promises - they re elected her by one of the largest margins in state history, which included upstate NY counties that hadn't gone to a Democrat in over fifty years...
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:37 PM
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50. Guess she played the same
damn right dirty game she is playing now.

I believe the stakes are a lot higher now,

so what she say has to be considered the truth,

otherwise, she is a fraud.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:13 PM
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24. You forgot to tell us what Obama is promising...besides hope.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:33 PM
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30. A PONY! YAY!
:evilgrin:

--p!
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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 06:05 PM
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49. Obama gets a pony,
Clinton gets us the shit...
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:13 PM
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25. not much
better than what ever that thing is we have now but i don`t see any fundamental change in the country.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:20 PM
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26. She HAS worked to bring new jobs to NY
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 02:27 PM by wlucinda
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:39 PM
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44. Is this the best you got?


She got two of her plan's seven measures signed into law. Despite promising to create 200,000 jobs, NY lost 35,800 jobs. Clinton blamed NY's poor job performance on GOP economic policies.



From this link

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Hillary_Clinton_Jobs.htm

Lol!!

You point us to links that explains how she is working to bring jobs into NY,

not jobs that have been created. Listen, stop trying to fool us into believing

she will create jobs, what this tells me, is that, she does not have the expertise

to work across the aile, she is too partisan, and partisan is not what America wants

right about now.

you need more research, these links have fallen short.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:48 PM
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47. Hillary has been the Hand Maiden of the Special Interests. That's who she is.
That's what she will do.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:04 PM
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51. But guess what,
her supporters don't think she sleeps with special interests,

watch how quick she switched into attacking Obama after

Canada had come in and meddle, she was quick to point the

finger, forgetting she has joined Obama in criticizing NAFTA.
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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 06:04 PM
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48. Clintion will do more of the same
kowtowing to special interests, talking about her plan while not telling us what they are, folding when there is any opposition to her health care plan (she receives more campaign money from health care than any other candidate), bombing Iran because she's afraid people won't see her as tough, signing a trade deal with China without considering labor or the environment, etc.

Obama will be some of the same, but less so.

Tex Shelters
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