Is Hillary a muslim? Do we have any basis for that?

[closeupready]

We know she dresses modestly, in plain clothing that covers her legs. So all indicators, thus far, point to a very good chance that she is secretly a muslim.

What do you think?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. As far as I know, she is not the Wicked Witch of the West.

I take her at her word.

[OhioChick]

2. ......

:rofl:

[Medusa]

3. Hmmm. There are pictures of her out there with a veil over her head

I guess we'll have to take her at her "word".

[AtomicKitten]

4. As far as I know, she isn't the Manchurian Candidate.

[closeupready]

7. Her lack of denials is suspicious to me.

If she weren't, why wouldn't she just come out and say so? Definitely something fishy about that.

[AtomicKitten]

15. vewy suspicious

[Tarc]

5. Hey everyone, I just flew in from New York

and boy are my arms tired!

[MethuenProgressive]

6. Congratulations on making the 101st thread on this bogus fake outrage nonissue dejour!

You win an ignore!

[Beausoir]

13. Isn't it just silly! Crazy times...crazy times.

[Lerkfish]

24. and yet, you had to post in the thread

OCD?

[LSparkle]

8. I'll have to take her at her word that she's not ...

:sarcasm:

[CJCRANE]

9. delete

[Deep13]

10. She goes out in public without Bill, therefore, not a Muslim.

Also, she has her own driver's license and shows her hair in public.

[Hepburn]

12. So.........

........she is a Jack Muslim!

:sarcasm:

[Deep13]

16. I don't know what that means. nt

[CJCRANE]

14. How about Benazir Bhutto?

She travelled around without her husband.

[Deep13]

17. Is she really the example you want to use?

:-(

[CJCRANE]

19. She was a Prime Minister (twice).

An indepedant woman. She wasn't killed because she was a woman, she was killed for politics, which is different.

Your version of muslim women is based on Saudi Arabia. That's like basing your view of all Catholics on the Vatican.

On edit: added "twice".

[Deep13]

22. Politics and religion often ride in the same cart.

Whatever the official reason for assassinating her, I doubt the thugs could have pulled it off or gotten away with it without the assistance of religious fanatics.

I base my view of Islam on where it is strong, like SA and Pakistan. I base my view on Catholicism on where it is strong, like in parts of Africa or El Salvador. These are the gages of what these religions would do if they were allowed to do it. When Christianity was unchallenged in Europe, its cruelties were beyond counting.

[9119495]

26. Let's not overgeneralize about women in Islam

There is a wide range of accepted practices for Muslim women that vary by region. Don't assume that Arabian traditions are the same thing as MUSLIM traditions. It is a large and complex faith and I hope you won't buy the MSM spin that all Muslims are the same. There are MANY Muslim women that have never even worn the hijab.

[JPZenger]

11. I saw her face toward Mecca

One time, I saw Hillary face towards Mecca.

Also, a minister in her church once said something nice about a Muslim. She must be part of a sleeper cell.

[stillcool]

18. Abolutely not..

I have heard she has been a devil worshiper for years now...but this needs to be investigated. I mean, how much do we know about her formative years? What kind of essays was she writing in kindergarten?

[formercia]

20. I do know she belongs to a right-wing Dominionist group.

that uses religion for a cover of their anti-democratic agenda.

Those who prey together, stay together.

[elixir]

21. Well, I think Obama would concur,... as far as he knows. Which is accurate. Get over it!

[golddigger]

23. Is Obama and McClurkin having sex together? Do we have any basis for that?

We know they secretly hang together. So all indicators, thus far, point to a very good chance that they secretly are.

What do you think?

[BlackVelvet04]

25. Who cares? n/t

[Catherina]

27. Hillary is a decent God-fearing Christian woman with Doug Coe's seal of approval

News: For 15 years, Hillary Clinton has been part of a secretive religious group that seeks to bring Jesus back to Capitol Hill. Is she triangulating—or living her faith?



By Kathryn Joyce and Jeff Sharlet
Illustration by: Andy Friedman

September 1, 2007

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Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. "A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation," says the Reverend Rob Schenck, a former leader of the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who now ministers to decision makers in Washington. "I don't....there is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer."

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When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian "cell" whose members included Susan Baker, wife of Bush consigliere James Baker; Joanne Kemp, wife of conservative icon Jack Kemp; Eileen Bakke, wife of Dennis Bakke, a leader in the anti-union Christian management movement; and Grace Nelson, the wife of Senator Bill Nelson, a conservative Florida Democrat. Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.

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The Fellowship's ideas are essentially a blend of Calvinism and Norman Vincent Peale, the 1960s preacher of positive thinking. It's a cheery faith in the "elect" chosen by a single voter—God—and a devotion to Romans 13:1: "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers....The powers that be are ordained of God." Or, as Coe has put it, "we work with power where we can, build new power where we can't."

When Time put together a list of the nation's 25 most powerful evangelicals in 2005, the heading for Coe's entry was "The Stealth Persuader." "You know what I think of when I think of Doug Coe?" the Reverend Schenck (a Coe admirer) asked us. "I think literally of the guy in the smoky back room that you can't even see his face. He sits in the corner, and you see the cigar, and you see the flame, and you hear his voice—but you never see his face. He's that shadowy figure."

Coe has been an intimate of every president since Ford, but he rarely imposes on chief executives, who see him as a slightly mystical but apolitical figure. Rather, Coe uses his access to the Oval Office as currency with lesser leaders. "If Doug Coe can get you some face time with the President of the United States," one official told the author of a Princeton study of the National Prayer Breakfast last year, "then you will take his call and seek his friendship. That's power."

"If you're going to do religion in public life," concurs Schenck, a Jewish convert to fundamentalist Christianity who's retained his sense of irony, Coe's friendship is a kind of "kosher...seal of approval."

Coe's friends include former Attorney General John Ashcroft, Reaganite Edwin Meese III, and ultraconservative Rep. Joe Pitts (R-Pa.). Under Coe's guidance, Meese has hosted weekly prayer breakfasts for politicians, businesspeople, and diplomats, and Pitts rose from obscurity to head the House Values Action Team, an off-the-record network of religious right groups and members of Congress created by Tom DeLay. The corresponding Senate Values Action Team is guided by another Coe protégé, Brownback, who also claims to have recruited King Abdullah of Jordan into a regular study of Jesus' teachings.

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More: http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html

Douglas Coe, center


Jesus plus nothing:
Undercover among America's secret theocrats

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In the process of introducing powerful men to Jesus, the Family has managed to effect a number of behind-the-scenes acts of diplomacy. In 1978 it secretly helped the Carter Administration organize a worldwide call to prayer with Menachem Begin and Anwar Sadat, and more recently, in 2001, it brought together the warring leaders of Congo and Rwanda for a clandestine meeting, leading to the two sides' eventual peace accord last July. Such benign acts appear to be the exception to the rule. During the 1960s the Family forged relationships between the U.S. government and some of the most anti-Communist (and dictatorial) elements within Africa's postcolonial leadership. The Brazilian dictator General Costa e Silva, with Family support, was overseeing regular fellowship groups for Latin American leaders, while, in Indonesia, General Suharto (whose tally of several hundred thousand “Communists” killed marks him as one of the century's most murderous dictators) was presiding over a group of fifty Indonesian legislators. During the Reagan Administration the Family helped build friendships between the U.S. government and men such as Salvadoran general Carlos Eugenios Vides Casanova, convicted by a Florida jury of the torture of thousands, and Honduran general Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, himself an evangelical minister, who was linked to both the CIA and death squads before his own demise. “We work with power where we can,” the Family's leader, Doug Coe, says, “build new power where we can't.”

At the 1990 National Prayer Breakfast, George H.W. Bush praised Doug Coe for what he described as “quiet diplomacy, I wouldn't say secret diplomacy,” as an “ambassador of faith.” Coe has visited nearly every world capital, often with congressmen at his side, “making friends” and inviting them back to the Family's unofficial headquarters, a mansion (just down the road from Ivanwald) that the Family bought in 1978 with $1.5 million donated by, among others, Tom Phillips, then the C.E.O. of arms manufacturer Raytheon, and Ken Olsen, the founder and president of Digital Equipment Corporation. A waterfall has been carved into the mansion's broad lawn, from which a bronze bald eagle watches over the Potomac River. The mansion is white and pillared and surrounded by magnolias, and by red trees that do not so much tower above it as whisper. The mansion is named for these trees; it is called The Cedars, and Family members speak of it as a person. “The Cedars has a heart for the poor,” they like to say. By “poor” they mean not the thousands of literal poor living barely a mile away but rather the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom: the senators, generals, and prime ministers who coast to the end of Twenty-fourth Street in Arlington in black limousines and town cars and hulking S.U.V.'s to meet one another, to meet Jesus, to pay homage to the god of The Cedars.

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http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525