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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:09 PM
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Does Hillary Clinton's campaign death throes make anyone else sad?
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 04:10 PM by SoonerPride
Last year I was a gung-ho Clinton-ite.

Even as recently as super Tuesday, a Clinton voter and supporter. I helped her carry my state, Oklahoma.

But the voters have spoken.

They want change.
No, scratch that, they - WE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE - want CHANGE.

Instead of realizing it is all but over, her campaign took a horrible turn after her nice, concialatory handshake at the end of the Texas debate into a stultifyingly awkward and inept series of swipes, snipes, fear mongering, and lies.

It reeks of deperation. It reeks of fear - fear of losing a campaign.

And, for this former Clinton backer, it makes me sad.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:10 PM
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1. Oops, she might win tomorrow--I wouldn't be burying her just yet.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:11 PM
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2. Win what?
Even with narrow wins in Ohio and Texas, she cannot make up the delegate count.

It is mathematically over.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:13 PM
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3. No, but it'll be the Big Comeback. And then it's a new race for the next two months.
I wouldn't gloat, I'd lower expectations, because she's going to have a good day tomorrow, speaking as an Obama girl.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:37 PM
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17. this will not go on for 2 months. Bill Richardson made that clear the other day.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 04:33 AM
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37. I won't be surprised no matter how the voting goes tomorrow.
Too close to call.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:20 PM
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7. Yes, it is mathematically over. But she's going to die hard, and she might take
the Democratic party with her.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:13 PM
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4. sad that they aren't sooner and quicker
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:26 PM
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14. Seriously, why drag this out
She's just making her supporters' grieving period that much longer.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:39 PM
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18. and she is making it that much harder for them to support Obama
By dragging the fight out, she will embitter many against voting for him.

What a selfish, selfish lady.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 04:31 AM
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35. actually obama supporters are making it hard for Hillary supporters to back obama
the fight has nothing to do with it.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:14 PM
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5. What, 48-45 is now the threshold for Vox Populi?
I'm not sure the desperation is all one-way.

--p!
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:19 PM
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6. I agree with you. I was not a supporter, but it is sad to see her losing with
such a complete lack of grace. I have lost what respect I had for her and Bill during this campaign
and I find that disappointing. If she somehow pulls it out, I'll still vote for her, but now I will
have serious misgivings about it.

Luckily, McCain is CLEARLY worse. :-)
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 04:29 AM
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33. Yes, before the campaign I merely resented Bill's push for NAFTA ...
... welfare reform and telecom dereg. Now it's difficult to distinguish the Clinton's from the Right Wing smear machine, and my respect has plummeted accordingly.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:20 PM
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8. no
hellz no
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:22 PM
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9. Can't say, seems like she has Obama scrambling today
Yes I am a Christian

No I didn't lie about NAFTA to Canada

I, er, um, was to busy running for POTUS to be chairing meetings on Afghanistan and NATO


The best defense is a good offense and she has it going on today.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:24 PM
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10. If most of the offense is based on lies, then that makes me sad.
n'est pas?
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 04:31 AM
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34. Well, it's New England Patriots-style offense ....
... aided by some illicit videotaping, eh?
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:40 PM
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20. she doesn't have a 'good offense', she is just plain offensive.
It's her last day as a Presidential Candidate, what else do you expect from her?
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:19 PM
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31. I have never been a fan of Hillary or the Clintons, but she is not dropping out
One thing about the Clintons they will not walk away from power. NEVAH

Bill was impeached, did they leave? NO

She is not going to hand the nomination over to Obama, not in this lifetime, no matter who asks, requests, or demands it. Clintons do not quit.


I said this months ago, Hillary will be the nominee or she will so tarnish, divide the party the repubs will win.


If she can't have it, no dem can.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:43 PM
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22. perhaps you should get the memo
the canadian embassy apologized and retracted today.


and not for nothing, HRC hasnt done squat for the state of NY her entire term.



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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:14 PM
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30. just heard it on the news as an apology for leaking it, not saying it didn't happen
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 04:32 AM
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36. Then your news source didn't cover the full statement. n/t
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:24 PM
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11. Had her death throes been on high ground
I would have been sad. However, since she's opted to have them in the gutter - not only am I not sad, I'm cheering her political demise.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:25 PM
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12. Make me sad???
Hell, no.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:26 PM
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13. It would if she carried herself with an ounce of dignity or honor
but the way she is behaving, anger is the only real emotion she is generating.
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:30 PM
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15. If she win's OH, TX, and RI tomorrow then those are my kind of death throes! nt
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:32 PM
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16. I was looking forward to the candidates coming to PA
and the "Iowa treatment". Not any longer and it is worse by the day. Let her go scorch someone else's earth. The dirtier she gets, the more I hope she ends it sooner than later for the sake of the party.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:39 PM
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19. I hate to see it to, but think of it this way
Obama is getting toughened up for the GE, and the protracted primary is allowing him set the infrastructure he will need in crucial states before the GE.

So it may be better in the end.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 04:35 AM
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38. That's the "glass half full" position to which I've gravitated.
Republican smears re: the same material will seem redundant and dated when trotted-out during the GE, and, *maybe*, the media will even be inoculated against the smears when they occur.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:42 PM
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21. Sad? No. More disgusted with her than ever? Yes.
She's going to have be dragged out, kicking and screaming, even when she loses definitively.

She's nuts.
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Kaylee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:43 PM
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23. I'm more sad that she may win by playing dirty....
It looks like November will herald more politics as usual. It's depressing because I really see Obama's political perspective as a change for the better.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:47 PM
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24. It used to. The tactics of her more fervent supporters have mitigated that. One can only witness so
many posted deliberate falsehoods, slanders, subtle racial bigotry dressed up as "concern," and generally nasty harassment from the HRC supporters without it stoking one's cynicism/loathing meter. I will vote for the Democratic nominee whoever that happens to be - but my sympathy for that collapsing campaign or any of its participants is nil.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:55 PM
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25. It wouldn't say it makes me sad, but . . .
I know how I would feel if Obama was in Hillary's position. I appreciate your sentiments and welcome you into the Obama camp. As Bill Richardson made clear, it's time to coalesce around the presumptive nominee who's leading in delegates, and Obama is obviously going to be the one leading after Tuesday.

And your right, her campaign did take a horrible turn, but I do think is was even before the phony handshake (which Obama initiated by the way - check the tape).
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:05 PM
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26. It used to. Now I look forward to seeing it.
Even though it infuriates me because it's bringing down not only Obama, but the party and herself as well. If she's going to drag us all down in the ditch, I at least can enjoy the sight of her loudly and publicly degrading herself, pissing away all pretense of dignity as she desperately clings to the last bit of power she has over this race. She is truly living up to her reputation and actually showing she never had that much to offer in the first place.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:09 PM
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27. You said it. I concur. I can't wait to see her gone from national politics. nt
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 04:39 AM
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41. The Clintons, both, plus the end of the DLC. n/t
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 04:37 AM
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39. and there are many that think obama and his passive-aggressive tactics are dragging the party down
and his supporters just plain aggressive tactics are bringing the party down.
Hillary isn't the only one that owns this.
They are both guilty of bringing the party down.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:16 PM
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28. No, I'm not sad at all.
Although I wouldn't count her out just yet.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:41 PM
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29. At this point, she is only helping Republicans.
It is embarrassing for Hillary, her supporters, and the Democratic Party.
She is stringing along her math challenged supporters, encouraging them to attack Democrats and the DNC.
Hillary is HURTING the Democratic Party.

I wish Hillary had expended 1/2 this venom attacking Republicans during her 7 years in the Senate.

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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 04:27 AM
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32. respect.
(Though... I never took her TX debate closing as being truly conciliatory or respectful. Given the petty personal attacks against Obama earlier in the debate, her closing statement rang a bit hollow for me. And her campaign's behavior since has borne that impression out, in my opinion.)
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 04:39 AM
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40. I can't lie
NO..
I have tried my damnedest to stay on the high road during this..
I'm getting weary of the walk.
If tonight doesn't go well for her I believe as Richardson does she should throw in the towel.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 04:45 AM
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42. No more than seeing a football team keep on fighting when they are 7 points down in the 4th quarter.
Let's see how Hillary does today before we write off her candidacy.
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