Beating Obama became more important to them than beating John McCain

[kpete]

Beating Obama became more important to them than beating John McCain
From Americablog

I'm not going to be discussing the details of those stories today because I don't want to make our candidate damaged goods in the fall. You will notice that neither Obama's campaign nor Obama's official, or unofficial, surrogates are talking about the Clintons' past or present scandals, the Clintons' negatives, what a Clinton run for the presidency will to Democratic congressional races and governor races across the country.

..................

Well, come Wednesday, if Hillary doesn't win 65% of the delegates in Ohio and Texas, and still insists on staying in the race and ripping our party in two, it will be time to start treating candidate Clinton with the same golden rule she is using for candidate Obama. Why? Not for revenge, but for the sake of our party and the fall election. Hillary and her campaign are in the process of turning Obama into damaged goods in the fall. They didn't have to go there, but beating Obama became more important to them than beating John McCain.

more at:
http://www.americablog.com/2008/03/what-will-republicans-throw-at-hillary.html

[anonymous171]

1. If she can't have it, no one can.

It was the same in 04.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

31. BushClintonBushClinton BushJebClintonChelsea!

[bvar22]

38. Not exactly. If Hillary can't have it, NO Democrat can.

[nvme]

128. I see her trying to do a Lieberman

Granted she will propably get OHIO with 10pts. Texas will be much closer. but the numbers look too far off for her in the other states. I am likely to eat my words but Oh well. I just hope if she doesnt pull a spectacular victory across the board whe will be gracious and bow. I am too tired of the debates and the negativity from Obama and Clinton surrogates. I am guilty of my share of negativity. I just hope that it ends today!

[Froward69]

148. Proof!!!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

[Maineman]

88. I am a long time Democrat, but

I am determined to vote for someone who has integrity and who is not a power freak - someone who is as different from Bush as possible. In November, I am voting for Barack Obama if I have to write in his name.

[kotsu]

113. The only difference I see

in Obama and Bush is that Bush has a fake southern accent.

[susankh4]

116. Bwahahahaaaa.....

Thanks for a good morning laugh!

I love it!

[sendero]

121. Ur hilarious..

... it's HRC that is just like Bush, and voted with him on almost every issue I hold dear.

Neocon lite's day in the sun is about over. It can't be too soonn.

[NOLALady]

149. In what ways are Obama and Bush alike?

[cjbgreen]

152. Bill and Hillary self serving politics that destroy the nation

Bill and Hillary do not care what happens to this country as long as they have the power. They were willing to sacrifice Gore and Kerry to position Hillary for President. Her experience? Defending Bill and scandals. But lets review her vote for Iraq and Iran and cluster bombs, wasn't it common knowledge at least among Washington insiders that Bush and the neocons were intent on attacking Iraq way before 9/11. Wasn't Richard Clark a former Clinton advisor? Please!!! Hillary is so connected to Washington Lobbyist and does anyone really expect that she is going to advocate for any position that doesn't serve her political interests.

[CaliforniaDemocrat]

2. Nonsense

This "Quit now, for the sake of the party" crap, I am not buying it. Pennsylvania shouldn't get a choice? Kentucky? West Virginia? Let them only have one candidate? That's not very fair. I think the automatic delegates should support who the *Democrats* support (not the right-leaning indies who choose to vote in our primary to screw it up).

[sniffa]

5. I think she should stay in till Puerto Rico

We get to watch her shame herself more, lose more, and if we're lucky, bury the Third Way once and for all.

[Tatiana]

86. I agree with this. I hope she takes it to the convention.

BTW, I am Puerto Rican and Puerto Rico will go for Obama.

[Fearless]

6. Did you ever think you'd agree with Mike Huckabee?

I'm sorry, really, but I have to call it as I see it.

[Armstead]

21. At least Huckabee isn't out there sliming McCain

[Fearless]

27. Well it would be helpful if he was.

[Yael]

28. Delete -- wrong spot

Meant to reply to OP

[nebula]

60. Hillary has been doing McCain's dirty work for him

she is probably a GOP plant, and certainly acts like one.

hey if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck...

[niceypoo]

125. Paranoia Deep Destroya

Take your meds then get back to us

[nebula]

157. Shillary publicly stated that she thinks McCain is more qualified to be President

and that she prefers him over Obama.

Shillary openly admits who she is working for.

[GoldieAZ49]

76. Huckabee motive: get more delegates than Romney had. Repubs see the second

runner up as the next up.

The dems just see them as losers.

Huck has a political motive.

[oviedodem]

9. I hope you will still be saying that when McCain wins b/c of Hillary

being hard-headed

[Spider Jerusalem]

12. Pfft.

The math isn't there. Not if Hillary loses today, or even splits evenly. And superdelegates (nice Clintonian spin, btw) have been switching in large numbers; they'll support whoever has the most pledged delegates after all primaries and caucuses, if it goes to the convention. Barring a miraculous upset, that won't be Hillary.

[JimGinPA]

14. "automatic delegates "

:rofl:


You mean all those super delegates that have been moving to Obama?


:rofl:

[Yael]

20. Here in PA, we were really looking forward to the "Iowa Treatment"

Now, thanks but no thanks. I don't want her vile ass burning up my state with her scorched earch.

If she insists on bringing that shit here, I will distance myself from my fellow Obama ground team and join in with an Anybody But Hillary ground campaign that will ensure that she leaves our state and doesn't forget us.

[rug]

26. Oh, the Obama Maquis.

[Hepburn]

47. Great choice.....

....vote for Hillary the Loser who just wants to feed her ego by staying in and fucking over the Democratic Party.

:puke:

[last1standing]

96. So you want these states to vote - but only by your rules.

I find it very convenient that you're so adamant that Pennsylvania, Kentucky and the rest be able to vote for two candidates but you think that the delegates should only support a candidate following your specific guidelines - the desires of the states be damned..

Do you have any other rules we should all follow that you'd like us to know about? Maybe all the debates should begin by paying homage to your candidate's past accomplishments while stripping the other naked and making him sit in the small chair. Would that help?

[bowens43]

115. There is no choice.

It's obama or McCain. Hillary is a sleazy, negative, arrogant, power hungry person. She is nothing more then a female , left leaning version of bush. America hates her just like they hate bush. If she cares about this country, she'll get out now. If all she cares about is Hillary, she'll continue her mindless hate filled attacks and unfortunately there are still a lot of Democrats who can't see her for what she is.

[WolverineDG]

119. Where were you when Hillary insisted

she'd be the nominee & it would all be over by February 5th?

Sorry, but I'm not buying into this new meme from her campaign.

dg

[sendero]

122. They already have ..

.. as much choice as Republicans for Huckabee have. That is to say, none, the freaking election will be over tonight.

[beezlebum]

127. yep.

just like the rest of us who didn't have a chance to vote for the candidates we wanted...kucinich, edwards, etc. this election isn't about hillary, or her whiny, bitter supporters. i was saddened and furious when kucinich wasn't making headway and ultimately dropped out, and i was more disgusted when edwards left us with two choices. until i realized how close we are to being through with *.

get over it. when it boils down to two candidiates, we realize it's going to be one or the other, and depending on today, should clinton not get enough of the delegates, PA-KY-WV won't make enough of a difference to carry on any longer. the only thing that she will accomplish is campmccaigning with her continuous smears and attacks.

personally, after her mocking/shame on you barack/obama's a muslim karl rove/etc in the last few weeks, i can't WAIT to see her OUT. her persistence no longer comes across as determination or triumphant holding-out- it comes across as more entitlement and tantrum throwing- i just want to put her in time out with my 6 year-old. it infuriates me every time i hear or see her on my television and computer, to the point i can't even listen to this woman i once had such deep respect for. i am so exhausted of her sly innuendo and smug insinuation. it is becoming cumbersome and tiresome and i'm just ready to get on with it and focus on electing the next democratic president. but that's just me.

[IsItJustMe]

139. I think she is suffering from a severely bruised ego and she doesn't have enough common sense to

pull herself out of this spiral of negativity she has wrapped herself in. I was an Edwards supporter and up until about three weeks ago I could have seen myself supporting BO or HRC. As of late though, HRC has severely turned me off. I don't know why people would vote for this.

[Mme. Defarge]

3. 2012

[Fearless]

4. Exactly!

And we're going to leave ourselves too full for the main course.

[JackORoses]

7. I think we can reach a consensus now, "Fuck Hillary Clinton!!"

She is not entitled.
She is not deserving.
She is not more important than the Party.

She is a very selfish person.
She will never be the President of the United States.

[Cha]

11. Reaching my consensus

since Oct 2002.

[BigDDem]

40. "I think we can reach a consensus now, "Fuck Hillary Clinton!!"

Ladies and gentlemen, the politics of change via another
classy BO supporter.

[StevieM]

105. They'll control the board pretty soon when Obama people take it over for the GE....BUT

We'll be back in November after McGovern-in-waiting blows our chance at winning this thing. The only difference between McGovern and Obama is that McGovern didn't tear Muskie down personally the way Barack has done to Hillary.

Steve

[cameozalaznick]

147. Exactly how has he torn her down?

Name ONE instance where Obama has torn Hillary down. He has run a very respectful campaign. I can't exactly say the same for his supporters, unfortunately

[Deep13]

135. objection.

No concensus.

[writes3000]

8. Ding, ding, ding. Hillary can stay in BUT if she doesn't STOP

with the disgusting, scorched earth tactics, she will pay TWICE over.

The last sentence damns her, damns her, damns her.

[NJmaverick]

10. It might have to come to that

Considering her closet of skeltons, she certainly is playing with fire.

[JackORoses]

32. Obama hasn't even brought up Impeachment or Adultery. He is a classy guy.

[Dogmudgeon]

13. Why is Team Obama so averse to a little stress?

This is not a tough election. Not by a long shot! It's a slap-fight between two nearly identical candidates.

But it's disturbing that the Obama supporters don't seem to have the stamina for more than two or three weeks of semi-demi-hemi-tough campaigning. Running against McCain is going to be 2-4 months of daily poo-flinging. And it will be poo mixed with pee and broken glass so that when you try to wipe it off your face, it will cut and infect you. That is how the 'Publicans work.

I said it somewhere else: Kids, grit your teeth and smile -- this is POLITICS. If you can't deal with stress, start an ad agency.

--p!

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

16. Because it's completely pointless

If Hillary doesn't win by a large margin tomorrow, but stays in anyway despite the mathematical impossibility of her ever coming back, it only serves as a distraction from what we should really be focusing on: Beating McCain in November.

[Armstead]

18. No a primary is different

This primary is getting to be like having two units in the same army shooting at each other before facing the opposing forces.

Hillary's determination to slime Obama was not necessary, and it is counterproductive even if she gets the nomination.

[Dogmudgeon]

34. Actually, it's like war games

Hillary has NOT been sliming Obama.

If you think that what she is doing is slime, you have your slime-o-meter set on way too sensitive a setting.

Again, this is a manifestation of the low frustration tolerance of many Obama supporters. Two days of bad news and the implosion begins.

This ought to be a wild two-night party, with excessive drinking, fistfights, pissing in the pool, lots of reckless sex, the obligatory trashing of the premises, and lots of reckless sex. And fighting.

Learn to fight with a smile on your face. We have two Titans duking it out -- gently. This is the best god damned year to be a Democrat since 1960.

--p!

[Armstead]

78. It's not being sensitive -- It's dread at seeing us shooting ourselves in the foot again

Hillary could be running a positive campaign...Not necessarily wimpy, but building herself up instead of doing her best to drag down Obama.

In the real election, I'm all for a wild two-night party, with excessive drinking, fistfights, pissing in the pool, lots of reckless sex, the obligatory trashing of the premises, and lots of reckless sex. And fighting.

But not in the primary. I hated it when Gephardt and Dean did it to each other in 04 (and we know how well that worked out) too.

[nvme]

134. Rationalizing is not becoming

If the Repubs can teach us anything, then learn from that Scumbag Reagoon. We must not do their jobs for them stop trashing. Ceasefire, Ceasefire, Ceasefire! We are eating our own. The Repubs are licking their chops because we are bleeding each other. All they have to do is lap up what is left-over. I may dispise hillary, but it must stop. We cannot let a McCain presidency happen. We must work at least vote grudgingly for the Dem nominee. No matter how much we have said negative or otherwise lets make it possible for us to vote for each others candidate. I will only promise to do my part. hopefully we can all agree to do the same. Lets stop the attacks. Lets call off the dogs. Both Candidate are tough as nails make no mistake, We need to make it possible to attract independents that 20% whole can swing either way. The only way to do that is to be unified.

[eridani]

100. Bingo.

It's been pretty tame compared to 2004.

[bigbrother05]

15. The Obama camp, has run a clean

well organized campaign, no DRAMA,
Hillary can't count, and neither can her supporters.
I don't know if I want to get in the trenches.

[anamandujano]

37. Clean, deceptive, race baiting campaign.

If that works for you, fine.

[bigbrother05]

53. It's hard work

I wish we could level the playing field.

[Horse with no Name]

83. WOW..you might step out from behind the blinders there

Are you really THAT drunk on the koolaid?

[bigbrother05]

90. And what exactly did I say

that you assume I am drinking Koolaid

[IsItJustMe]

142. Have to admit that Obama has class, HRC is a low baller from the word go. Take your pick.

[Yael]

17. Destroy the party, destroy the candidate, run in 2012

We hear ya Hillary and damn it -- we are going to stop your vile ass.

[ekwhite]

93. She really isn't that stupid

She knows the math, and she knows that if she can win Ohio and Texas tomorrow, there is a good chance of her going to the convention close enough to Obama to be able to win with superdelegates. If she doesn't win both states tomorrow, the party will force her out, either gently, or through a rash of endorsements for Obama.

Senator Clinton knows that if Obama loses to McCain and she is blamed, there is absolutely no chance for a run in 2012. She will drop out before Pennsylvania if she doesn't win both Texas and Ohio tomorrow.

[NOLALady]

151. I do hope you're right.

[Window]

19. ..

[ZombieHorde]

22. This line is silly -

They didn't have to go there, but beating Obama became more important to them than beating John McCain.

She is not running against McCain, nor can she in the Democratic primaries, she is running against Obama.

[Major Hogwash]

23. How can Hillary support Obama this fall if he is the nominee after trashing him like this?

I've never seen anything like it ever before and it doesn't make any sense to me as a lifelong Democrat.

[SteppingRazor]

35. How did George H.W. Bush become Reagan's VP after dismissing Reagan's economic policy as...

"voodoo economics?"

That's just one example, but there's many more of them on both sides of the aisle. In the primary, you fight your best fight, but if you lose, you get behind the nominee because you understand that he/she is WAY better than those ratfucks on the other side.

[Joshua N]

94. "Voodoo economics" has nothing on what HRC has done to Obama.

[progdog]

55. She won't support him.

She wants McCain to win so she can say we should have made her the nominee and then she can run again in four years. She doesn't care about the people. Ambition to the billionth degree.

[tabasco]

69. I handed out pamphlets for Hubert Humphrey when I was 13 years old.

I have never seen an attack on a fellow Dem quite as revolting as this. She basically endorses McCain if Obama wins the nomination. I have come to despise H. Clinton, a woman I once admired greatly.

[eridani]

101. Kucinich supported Kerry, no? n/t

[Scriptor Ignotus]

24. I disagree

I think having Hillary beat on Obama will only strengthen him for the GE. This will be the "vetting" that some of Obama's critics say he needs.

Trial by fire baby. Bring it.

[eridani]

102. Not to mention which, the Repub slime machine has to keep aiming at two people

--instead of just one.

[anamandujano]

25. That's how primary season works, you have to beat the other candidates.

Hillary did nothing to force Obama to posture and deceive, nor did she force the press to get their stories that outed him.

She did ask for a little fairness in the media spin.

Thanks to the huge story BO and his flacks have handed the press, it's now a matter of "Ask and ye shall receive."

[JackORoses]

33. I will enjoy watching you try and explain why Hillary lost.

Your blind devotion to an undeserving master is sickening.

[Dogmudgeon]

36. "Your blind devotion to an undeserving master is sickening."

... said the Moonie to the Methodist.

--p!

[JackORoses]

39. "I made a funny" snorted the little piglet

[Dogmudgeon]

41. Why, yes I did!

Stress of a tight election gettin' to you, is it, Jack?

Relax. Lighten up. Crack a few jokes. We're all going to be dead for a long, long time.

--p!

[JackORoses]

49. every time I crack a joke, a herd of Hillarites come and have my post locked

Here are a couple:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4797055
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4833766

Enjoy!

[Dogmudgeon]

52. What can I say? The Admins don't like jokes about killing people.

:shrug:

--p!

[JackORoses]

70. both jokes were about Hillary, neither had to do anything with Death

but since Hillarites can't take a joke at her expense, they lash out and accuse me of making death threats like you just did.

Congratulations, You passed the Hillarite Master Level Exam!

[Dogmudgeon]

75. That's a little over-the-top, even for you.

One was from a bus crash story, with a picture of HRC in the bus, and you even apologized for it, in your "not-my-fault" way.

The next one was a joke that "cleverly" contained several gun references.

I was 10 years old in 1968. I had a teacher who had been a Freedom Rider with Dr. King. My family was boarding a gal who was working for the RFK campaign in Pennsylvania. I remember what that spring was like, both April and June alike. And then the rioting in Chicago. My mom also worked for JFK in 1960.

Lots of DUers on BOTH sides of the primary partisan divide have similar kinds of experience, or their parents do. We lost two major Democratic leaders and two civil rights leaders in the space of a decade. So assassinations, even cleverly implied, aren't real popular here.

But maybe Admin and the Mods are secretly pulling for The Evil One.

--p!

[JackORoses]

104. the bus joke had nothing to do with the actual crash

I made the image the night before the crash even happened. So you are misinformed there.

There is a difference between assassination and the tranquilization of a wild animal for its own good.

The only reason these threads were locked is because Hillarites were offended and alerted on them en masse.

[me b zola]

29. K&R

[Yael]

30. Excellent closing lines:

So, the first question for Hillary come Wednesday, should she decide to continue risking our chances of winning in the fall even though the math says it's over, will be the question she's asking Obama today: What negatives will the Republicans throw against you in the fall? And as I've noted repeatedly, there are some negatives out there that most of you don't even know about - but everyone in Washington knows about them, in detail. That's because even Democrats who don't love Hillary, don't go there, for the good of the party. On Wednesday, the good of the party may dictate that we do.

:evilgrin:

[nvme]

136. in the fall

Mc Cain has the keating 5, Other lobbyist issues. he will claim he found Jesus, and we will say a leopard never changes his spots. there is ammo in our guns. Mc Cain shot himself with i dont know about economics. that statement will haunt him. the conservative base hates him because of immigration. we can just say we never claim nor will be anti-immigrant. the truth is there and all we need to do is get the nomination

[AX10]

42. For left wing activists, beating Hillary became more important than..

beating McCain.

[bridgit]

43. Sadly most clear if this forum is any indication...

[AX10]

45. DU, Kos, Huffpost, TPM, Moveon.org. etc...

Schultz might as well go back to being a right wing Repub.

[bridgit]

48. You're on it, Schultz has been a great disappointment since chumming up to Matthews...

He's only seems here for the demographic & of course the paycheck :thumbsdown:

[GarbagemanLB]

44. Your post makes absolutely no sense. If Hillary doesn't make gains on pledged Delegates tomorrow, it

is over, according to basically everyone not inside her campaign. Do you seriously think it is best for the party for these smears to continue into mid summer while McCain gathers the support of his base?

[Yael]

63. Yes, they do

Because she is DUE! DUE I SAY!!! It isn't Obama's TURN!!!

:cry:

:eyes:

[anonymous171]

61. Left wing activists are now bad?

[Yael]

64. Only to those who want to triangulate the party 50.0001% to the right.

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

73. If only Jerry Ford were here

Eh?

[Horse with no Name]

84. Just like the RW MSM thought it would play out

All that is left is chum in the water.
I guess these folks don't realize that IF Hillary had done ALL they accuse her of...obama would have been reduced to a sniveling snail by now.
Except that the TRUTH is that obama has run a VERY passive aggressive campaign AGAINST Hillary...using his minions to do his dirty work.

[eridani]

103. Left wing activists would have preferred Edwards or Kucinich n/t

[meow mix]

46. this is becoming well proven, more so tomorrow i expect

hillary is turning into a disaster of epic proportions

[iilana X]

50. I can't believe what I just heard! WTF?????

Hillary Clinton was shown in a clip on CNN saying John McCain had experience and Barack Obama had a speech.

Has anyone else heard this? I can't believe that any Democrat would stoop so low.

[blm]

51. Remember Bill in 2004 defending Bush's Iraq decisions throughout his entire 3 wk book tour?

That has NEVER happened in any presidential campaign I have ever witnessed.

What Dem expresident goes around defending the current GOP president on the biggest issues of the election just MONTHS before the election and at the same time the new Dem nominee is trying to gain traction and attacking those same decisions of Bush that Bill was supporting PUBLICLY in every interview.

[iilana X]

56. This is twisted.

Is there something the DNC can do? Can the Obama campaign file some kind of complaint? This is a betrayal of the party. She's saying that the Republican is more qualified to be President than her Democratic opponent.

[MagickMuffin]

68. The Clinton's are the Bushes HOUSE CLEANERS

:rofl:

SWEEP EVERYTHING UNDER THE OVAL OFFICE RUG.

[watrwefitinfor]

59. Yes, she said she and McCain had enough experience to be president and Obama had a speech.

That was what she was shown saying in an ad they said was playing in Texas. Played tonight on PBS News Hour. Surely someone in Texas has seen the ad.

"I have enough experience to be president, and John McCain has enough experience to be president, and Barack Obama had a speech." is very close to an exact quote.

I am so glad you posted this.

Wat

[iilana X]

67. I hope the super delegates heard her.

I hope they all bring this to the attention of the DNC. Disloyalty to the party....

What the HELL is she trying to do to the Party? Is she preparing to do a Lieberman or what?

[nvme]

137. this is exactly why

this cannot continue. Do not say thing like that hillary! NO MATTER WHAT DO NOT SAY ANYTHING THAT CAN BE SEEN AS AN ENDORSEMENT ABOUT A REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE. DONT YOU REALIZE THIS WILL BE USED BY THEIR CAMPAIGN?






PLEASE RETRACT OR CLARIFY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Yael]

65. Yeppers -- she said it!

if she can't have the nom in 2008, she will destroy the party and hold out for 2012.

[iilana X]

71. Longer than 2012, I'm afraid.

No matter how bad things got these past years, we always had the party. We have been the good guys. That was always a consolation in the darkest of times.

Damn, I really love the Democratic Party.

I can't even be angry. Maybe later. Right now, all I want to do is cry.

[ClassWarrior]

107. I'd like her to tell that to the family of a dead soldier in Iraq.

NGU.

[shrub chipper]

129. I saw it, too.

Shameful

Unbelievable

Not surprising


and all the more reason for her to lose.

[IsItJustMe]

145. Yes. I have also heard her say it in other speeches.

[roseBudd]

54. And i have noticed that many of her supporters on DU share her personality characteristics

There is a reason why she has such high negatives.

Be sure & search my posts, I have said nothing more negative than she does not have charisma. and actual quotes from GOPers regarding who they fear and who they want to run against

[sniffa]

57. Error: You've already recommended that awesome thread.

:(

[meow mix]

62. i know i hate that lol

x(

[BlackVelvet04]

58. What a crock of shit.......

right now she doesn't have to beat McCain....she has to beat Obama to get the candidacy and Obama is focused on beating Clinton. Give me a friggin' break.....what stupid statement.

[Yael]

66. Because *poof* if she doesn't win, we get to go to the GE with a clean slate

and none of her ranting accusations about our nominee.

Right?

That how that works?

The vile SOS needs to focus on why SHE is better than her competition not why John McCain is better than her competition.

[BlackVelvet04]

80. Oh, please.......

Obama has slammed her plenty so get off the martyr wagon.

[Tennessee Gal]

72. Yes, it is stupid.

If she doesn't win the nomination (beat out Obama), she doesn't have a chance at taking on McCain.

[Bucky]

74. Hogwash. She's a fighter. And she hasn't damaged Obama

at least not in anyway that McCain's surrogates wouldn't have tried.

If Obama ends up the nominee, he can now say to the experience issue, "You know, people have been reduced to trying that slam on me ealier this year. People didn't buy it then and they won't buy it now."

On the other hand, if Clinton wins it, it'll certainly be on Obama's vulnerability to the experience argument more than on her own merits... and we'll be a stronger party for having avoided a candidate with such a vulnerability.

It's all still a win-win in my book.

[dailykoff]

77. At this point Obama's rivals are all on the same side.

Just like Kerry's were in '04. :shrug:

[KittyWampus]

79. yes, Obama will have to retaliate.

[McCamy Taylor]

81. This is a Republican talking point

Here is what I posted in reply:

Uh hum. How long have you people been Democrats? The primaries in this Party have always been mud flinging fests. Dems laugh at Republicans for the nanby-panby way that they conduct their primaries. The things Rove did against McCain in 2000 were a GOP scandal.

I guess lots of people claiming to be Obama supporters must be Republicans who are really just Hillary haterss angling to keep her from being the nominee. They plan is vote her out in the primary, so that they do not have to take a chance that she will be elected in the general.

Then, once Obama is nominated, they can switch back to their usual Republican Party affiliation.

That is the only explanation I can come up with to explain this sudden rush of "hurt feelings" and "how can you say anything bad about a fellow Democrat in the primaries that could be used against him in the general election?"

Dudes, that is REPUBLICAN talk, and it labels anyone who uses it as a Republican.

[WoodyM]

82. Hillary said that McCain had more experience that Obama.

She is absolutely right. It was a way of highlighting her experience. She was no way trying to support McCain.
Has every one forgotten Obama praising Regan and saying the Republican Party was the party of ideas? They must have as they condemn Hillary for the same action.

[gateley]

108. And what if Obama gets the nomination?

Don't you think McCain will be going to town with that Hillary quote? "Even his Democratic opponent says I have more experience!" Good job, Hillary, The Democrats thank you - just ADD to the Republicans arsenal. :eyes:

[seabeyond]

85. yup. another vote to "treating Clinton with the same golden rule"

[tabasco]

87. Glad to see Olberman and Maddow condemn Clinton for this.

H. Clinton is in the wrong party.

[kid a]

89. is there a video link to this

[gateley]

109. Here's the link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x100596

[KoKo]

91. Disgusting...the more crap coming from the Left of Dems...but maybe they weren't REALLY Left at all.

:shrug:

[chascarrillo]

99. Yes, John Avarosis runs a rabidly right-wing site. It's totally obvious.

Jesus Christ.

[texshelters]

92. I can't agree more

Obama can bounce back, and perhaps now he's tougher for the attacks.

What does Senator Clinton stand for? Is she just the "anybody but Obama" candidate now?

She's certainly looking like that's all she's about.

Tex

[Strelnikov_]

95. ..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4845786

[krkaufman]

97. Or... one can view Hillary's all-negative-all-the-time surge of late as a win-win.

Obama will still be the nominee, barring a total implosion, and Hillary's attacks will make similar Republican attacks during the general election seem redundant and dated.

Hillary's jumping the shark down the stretch will help reduce DLC/Clinton influence in the party, having alienated so many voters and pols.

edit: p.s. I don't think Hillary needs to win huge to keep going, nor do I think she "must" drop-out even if Obama wins either Ohio or Texas. I would simply hope that she would alter the tone of her campaign, coming to the realization that inevitability would then be Obama's to claim.

[Splinter Cell]

98. Yup

She doesn't want Obama to win a general election, because that means she's not gonna get another crack at it.

[smubossirossi]

106. ok...

at the beginning of this primary season I was more than willing to vote for edwards, obama or hillary with the same vigor but now voting for hillary I will have to hold my nose. Why you ask ? Because she is basically saying that experience in politics means more than have the same progressive ideals...john mccain has alot of experience... in giving tax cuts to the rich, not supporting a woman right to choose, not supporting universal health care, not protecting the environment, siding with corporations and lobbyists, not supporting unions and a load of other crap. When did hillary get so blinded by winning that she would go so negative and make comments like this one that will in no way help the Democratic Party. Please someone enlighten me as to how her grand standing and negative politics of late will be good for our party.

I consider my self to be a progressive (someone belonging to the democratic wing of the democratic party), I'm 21 year old woman from Texas and I have seen the evil that is George W. Bush almost my whole life, and I do not want another 4 yrs of republican rule, if Hillary cannot win by playing positive politics maybe she should reevaluate her campaign. We cannot grab defeat out of the jaws of victory, our country cannot afford it and for her to play games instead of focusing on the issues I think is disgraceful.

I am an obama supporter he is my second choice, I was first an edwards supporter and came to the decision based on obamas foreign policy advisor's (Samantha Powers) and the fact that he had academic economists as his economic advisor's (experts) which as an economic and public policy major was very important. I will eventually vote for whoever is the D nominee but I think the way Hillary has run her campaign speaks volumes about what she will be like as a president. My only hope is that progressives come out on top this time and not republicans or DLCers. As a young voter I am saddened by the negative tone Hillary's campaign has taken, as a woman and a democrat I would welcome her over McCain but now I feel she has been tainted by her negative campaigning, my heart will not be as jovial when I cast my ballot in November if she is the nominee.

rant over..

[gateley]

110. Hi - Well put,

and welcome to DU! :hi:

Let me give you a :hug: before the attacks and name calling begin.

You WILL be voting and caucusing tomorrow, right? :7

[smubossirossi]

112. yes

:woohoo: thanks for the welcome... I already voted :patriot: and I am looking forward to finding out what it means to "caucus" are you from texas? if so what area?


Don't worry about the attacks and name calling I'm a big girl and if any hillary supporter wants to argue the issues I would welcome the debate... I'm not here to name call names and attack just to give my opinion... lately on DU that has been equated with blasphemy on both sides...hopefully by the time the primary's are over we will have retained our dignity.

[gateley]

114. Nope -not from Texas,

but I've been all "huh?" about the voting AND caucusing. So I'm glad you're on top of it!

Yeah, people are frazzled and even I, the coolest, calmest and most collected :7 have recently sunk to the lowest of lows. I'm ashamed of myself, but I'll get over it.

All of the people are really good folks - just passionate about their candidates. I have faith that when a nominee is decided, we'll all come back to the fold!

[Owl]

120. K&R

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[Mimosa]

118. Fratricide!

McCamy Taylor way up there on the topic wrote: "Uh hum. How long have you people been Democrats? The primaries in this Party have always been mud flinging fests. Dems laugh at Republicans for the nanby-panby way that they conduct their primaries. The things Rove did against McCain in 2000 were a GOP scandal.

I guess lots of people claiming to be Obama supporters must be Republicans who are really just Hillary haterss angling to keep her from being the nominee. They plan is vote her out in the primary, so that they do not have to take a chance that she will be elected in the general.

Then, once Obama is nominated, they can switch back to their usual Republican Party affiliation.

That is the only explanation I can come up with to explain this sudden rush of "hurt feelings" and "how can you say anything bad about a fellow Democrat in the primaries that could be used against him in the general election?"

Dudes, that is REPUBLICAN talk, and it labels anyone who uses it as a Republican."

Then up above me Tactical Progressive just imparted some venomous paranoid nonsense against the supporters of the most likable inspiring Presidential candidate to come along in decades, Barack Obama.

Guys, this type of negative energy and viciousness is toxic, destructive and leads to defeat. First off, Republicans and Democrats are citizens of the same country. To project extreme hatred is to degrade oneself. If Democrats tearing each other to shreds has not helped win elections. And it will not in the future. Hating mainstream ordinary Republicans (I'm not talking Barbara Bush or Karl Rove here, just the couple of folks who live across the street) isn't likely to inculcate in oneself a winning attitude.

I'm still waiting for a teensy welcome. I haven't posted here enough to be able to send mail to some of the cool members whose posts I've admired.

[Barb in Atl]

130. Welcome to DU!!!

Sometimes, I think, folks get so caught up in trying to prove that they are right that stuff just gets overlooked.

I agree with your post. Mostly everyone was happy with the way things were going in the beginning of the primary. The candidates seemed focused on Nov '08 more than anything else. It's only now that the other candidates are out (poor Mike Gravel - he hasn't dropped out, he was drop kicked out) and the stakes are so high that folks are starting to lose it.

I'm looking forward to the end of this primary process.

[Tactical Progressive]

138. Obama-Induced Fratricide, to be sure!

Right from the start. Lies, smears and then racist attacks against the Clintons.
Vicious, toxic and destructive. With nary a single Obama supporter objecting.
Lovely people.

We should all just take it and smile while we hand over the Democratic nomination for the Presidency of the United States, away from by far the most capable, qualified candidate anywhere, who just happens to be the first woman ever, and give it to a low-road smear merchant. Sure.

How about instead, we play too?


And welcome, Mimosa. Sorry you have to catch the venom just as it is being turned back around on the long-time perpetrators, but what goes around comes around. I think the Democratic party better hope that Obama doesn't get the nomination. There are alot of chickens that haven't yet come home to roost from what he's done.

[butterfly77]

154. Too late...

[susankh4]

117. Just like beating Hillary became more important...

than holding the party together.

I will never forgive Mr. Obama for the race baiting before the SC primary.

And I won't fogive his camp for bulling African American superdelegates.

Race relations in this country have taken a huge step backwards because of this man. And it's just a shame.

[NOLALady]

153. Race relations in this country have taken a huge step backwards.

Are you serious? How do you think race relations have changed?

I do not see any difference. What do you see? :shrug:

[theredpen]

123. It's not about beating Obama, it's about beating Mercer

Clinton is staying in to rob Lee L. Mercer Jr. of his delegates. She's colluding with Obama to do this.

Fuck Obama and Clinton (all three).

[bigtree]

124. That's because we're still in a Democratic primary

to decide who will face McCain. And, Obama can't win this by votes cast alone. He still has a nomination to win. No one should expect his rival to hand that to him on a silver platter, at this point.

[NorthCarolina]

126. I Think its already Too Late for that

Hillary has handed the Republican Party more than enough material for attack ads against Obama if he is the nominee with her latest "McCain is more experienced than Obama" ad as the crowning jewel of the Republican campaign. Leave it to a DLC Democrat to tout the candidacy of a Republican...go figure.

I'm wishing more than ever now that the public had shunned the controlled media message and taken a deeper, more serious look at Kucinich. He had the message America needed to hear and we ignored it while we let the media narrow the field for us to only Corporate friendly candidates and "beatable" Democratic candidates. Duped again........ Oh well, maybe we can wake up for 2012??

[Renew Deal]

131. The fact is that if Hillary doesn't win every election today by 58% she falls further behind.

And it gets that much harder.

[LeftCoast]

132. Oh, I see. So you guys are going to take the gloves off after today, huh?

Well, come Wednesday, if Hillary doesn't win 65% of the delegates in Ohio and Texas, and still insists on staying in the race and ripping our party in two, it will be time to start treating candidate Clinton with the same golden rule she is using for candidate Obama.

:rofl:


Oh you guys...I don't know how your little egos can even handle it if Obama loses.

[Deep13]

133. You're projecting.

"...time to start treating candidate Clinton..."
What do you mean "start?"

[bdamomma]

140. this is such a farce.

we all have to remember do we really want another repig in the WH?? hopefully we will all unite behind one candidate, and the Democratic party.

[Sander]

141. To Return the Favor

Shame on you, Hillary Clinton. Shame on you!

She is campaigning like a Republican demagogue. She demonstrates to me why we need change now and why Obama must win the nomination. She seems far less likely to provide the kind of change this country needs.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

143. ~ * ~.........

[Kajsa]

144. She's doing McCain's work for him.

all he needs to do is quote her.

Nice! :sarcasm:

[guruoo]

146. In other words, use the same 'golden rule' you applied to Hillary from the very beginning

[cjbgreen]

150. Hillary and Bill

Hillary and Bill have not supported the Democratic Party. 
They undermined Al Gore and John Kerry which has cost this
country dearly.  When Bill spoke on Charlie Rose before the
2004 election he said he respected Rove and Bush (he may have
used the word admired).  I hold both of them responsible for
contributing to the trauma this country has been enduring. 
They lower the benchmark for honor and dignity which is
needed.  The old politics doesn't work.  It may win elections
but it is ruining our country.

[guruoo]

158. Welcome to DU - n/t

[stillrockin]

155. I despise her.

[gordianot]

156. This year just not seem to be working out. John McCain is the enemy not Obama.

McCain may be more dangerous than George Bush. There is a price to pay, Hillary Clinton seems determined to enable John McCain.

[ThatBozGuy]

159. ..