Clinton's comments are indefensible here.

[Warren Stupidity]

It as simple as that. Her declaration that there are only two candidates qualified by experience to be president, herself and McCain, was a calculated and deliberate act of opportunistic disloyalty. Clinton is willing to promote four more years of catastophic Republican rule if that is what is required to defeat her rival for the Democratic nomination. Mrs Clinton is not a Democrat, she is a Clintonite. She will sacrifice anything to win, including our party, including our nation. Her statement on experience is indefensible here and her supporters her should stop defending it.

[The_Casual_Observer]

1. " including our nation"

It's called politics.

[Warren Stupidity]

7. So that justifies anything?

It is just about winning?

Do you think that perhaps the last eight years of misrule have been seriously damaging to our nation and to global civilization? Or is it all just politics? If it is just politics and just about winning then heck, the fucking republicans are much better at that than we are.

[The_Casual_Observer]

No different than Rezko I guess.

[Warren Stupidity]

15. wow argument non sequitor

[The_Casual_Observer]

17. You ought to know about non sequitor.

Mr. Warren or is that Mr. ...

[Warren Stupidity]

20. And straight to ad hominem

feckless.

[The_Casual_Observer]

22. I don't think "hom" applies.

[Warren Stupidity]

33. and finally argument by ignorance.

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[Morereason]

67. A little over emotional are we?

He played it pretty cool. You should apologize. You were in the wrong.

[iilana X]

19. I'll raise you a Whitewater on that Rezko. n/t

[LibertyorDeath]

2. She is all about The POWER

Great post

Rec!

[Political Heretic]

3. DANT! NUH NUH DANT! I'VE GOT THE POWAH! DANT!!

....getting loopy... :P

[moobu2]

4. Obamanites get worked up over the silliest shit

[Warren Stupidity]

10. yeah fuck it vote McCain over Obama

that is such silly shit.

[Morereason]

68. Not an "obama" anything here and it pissed me off!

I am un-enthused by the choices left. But here remarks were way off base and innapropriate. That is the crap that we need to be voting out of Washington. Social Darwinism is a part of what is killng this country.

[bagimin]

69. She is implictly stating McCain will make

a better pres than Obama. Silly shit?..you twit. She's hurting the likely nominee of my party and I will not forgive this crap.

[Cha]

5. But, her blind little supporters just keep

burping up red herrings.

[sanjiadem]

6. And, you all need to stop spinning it into something it wasn't

It perpetuates the notion that Obama supporters are cult-like followers, who along with their M$M conspirators, lack the ability to objectively analyze anything.

I am NOT a Hillary supporter - my guys either are out or never got into the race.

And, my SOLE motivation is to not be living under President McCain.

But, if you folks don't knock it off - the lies and hate thrown at each other (Hillary/Obama supporters), I'm afraid that is what we all might wind up with.

You think it impossible? Take a journey down memory lane - 2000 and 2004 ought to be as far as you need go.

[Warren Stupidity]

8. No spin at all. Her statement was indefensible.

"And, my SOLE motivation is to not be living under President McCain."

Please defend Senator Clinton's comment about who is and who is not qualified to be president in the context of your sole motivation.

[Alizaryn]

16. Well said

[MojoMojoMojo]

24. But its OK when you Dis Hillary

She voted for the Iraq war is NEGATIVE campaigning.And Obamas been saying it for years.

[Warren Stupidity]

32. Obama has never said she is less qualified than McCain.

Deal with the reality of that.

[sanjiadem]

34. No, he's said a lot worse

about her, as have his 'surrogates' and supporters. But, personally, I don't care - as long as her folks don't spin it into something it wasn't.

And, when they have, I've posted about it.

[Carolina]

53. no she voted for the war is the TRUTH

[dansolo]

27. You know that the Republicans will use that soundbite in their ads

That is what bothers me the most.

[fortyfeetunder]

66. Yes, this will come back to bite the Democratic party in the ass

Thanks, Hillary. :sarcasm:

[sanjiadem]

31. You can read, can't you?

I went over transcripts and video before posting.

But, at this point, I'm beyond caring. It is obvious that Obama supporters are so biased they can't or don't want to see the 'big picture'. And, Hillary's folks, especially Penn, are just incompetent.

Bottom line ... Hillary is not the Devil and Obama is not the Messiah.

Let's just hope that this almost biblical 'battle to the death' their supporters seem hell-bent on waging, does not result in President McCain.

[Warren Stupidity]

36. Two experienced candidates. One not so much.

I've read and listened and Clinton excluded Obama from 'candidates qualified by experience to be president'. That would be bad by itself, but her inclusion of McCain in that list is indefensible.

[sanjiadem]

42. So, how did you feel when Obama cozied up to McCain in 2006

calling him his "pen-pal", putting his arm around him, and complimenting him, after having a well-publicized 'spat' with him?

Fact is, much of her campaign's theme has focused on experience - hers as a Dem vs a Repug with experience or Obama with less experience. It is the freakin Dem primary - it's called campaigning. She's no more endorsed McCain than I've won the Nobel Peace Prize.

[Carolina]

52. touche ... how Hillbots can ignore

what their girl said amazes me.

And talk about twisted logic! "And, my SOLE motivation is to not be living under President McCain." Yet the poster's girl just gave McCain her own words to use against HER should she (by hook or crook) become the nominee. After all he's OLDER and has a longer bonafide LIFETIME of experience. What a fucking idiot.

I truly loathe that woman. Newt's mother was right!

[cbayer]

9. Very well said and welcome to DU.

:hi:

[sanjiadem]

28. I'm afraid they don't get it .... watch for the new buzz theme

Obama doesn't have enough cheese to go with his whine ..... Hillary picked on, etc.

It's started already. Maybe not those exact phrases, but the latest headlines are beginning to follow those themes.

Belief in someone does not mean you have to get stupid and alienate a large voting block in the GE.

Not that I think Hillary supporters would vote for McCain, but I think it's gotten so ugly, that many may just stay home. That, along with the M$M's desire for a long, dragged out boxing match could result in Dems knocking each other out.

[mediaman007]

21. I have to agree

Its the supporters that are turning me off. Its really kind of funny, because either candidate could care less about these people once the election is over!

[Lint Head]

11. McCain is qualified to be a fascist. He supports the fascist in the

White House. :dem:

[iamjoy]

12. Experience Vs. Inspiration

In 1992, people criticized Bill Clinton for being inexperienced. But he was very inspirational and people gave him a chance. The nation benefited.

In 2000, we had an inexperienced candidate who pledged to bring people together. Only this time, the candidate's lack of experience has been disastrous for our country. Te only other experienced candidate in the race (other than Clinton) wants to continue those destructive Bush policies.

So, it seems to me that experience is important, but not the only indicator of a good president. It is too bad Clinton didn't play this a little more cleverly. I don't really believe she is willing to ruin Obama to win, or that she would not help him if he were the nominee, but the things she is saying now will be used against him in the general, and they will come back to haunt her when she offers her support to him.

And if she is the nominee, she doesn't have nearly the experience or accomplishments that McCain does, so again, her praise for him this week will hurt her in the general.

[dogman]

13. Not really.

It is that simple. She is stating that she is best qualified to match McCain. The voters can make that decision without having a shit hemorrhage.

[Warren Stupidity]

18. No she said there are two qualified candidates

Herself and McCain.

Defend that.

[dogman]

26. Do you have a link to that statement?

That is different than anything I've heard or read.

[dogman]

37. I didn't think you would.

[iilana X]

14. Well said.

There is no defense of what she said.

Personally, I think it's going to hurt her if voters get wind of it. This is a Democratic primary, after all. Democrats don't like that kind of talk.

[mediaman007]

23. I think that most voters see it for what it was...

one politician trying to out maneuver the other.

[iilana X]

54. Most voters might, but this is not a general election.

It is the Democratic primary. And Democrats have been Clinton's base.

[BlackVelvet04]

25. waaaaaaaaaah

[TwilightGardener]

29. K&R--I never heard the Repub candidates do anything but fight over who was

more conservative and followed in Reagan's footsteps more, they didn't compare each other to Hillary or Obama. Our candidates should be fighting over how progressive they are--instead, Hillary tries to shove Obama off the stage by comparing him unfavorably to McCain--unbelievable. Maybe she's right, maybe McCain IS a pretty great guy! She respects him so much, maybe we all should start considering him?

[zulchzulu]

30. Hillieberman... Zell Hiller... McClint...

She continues to do a great disservice to the Democratic Party.

[froggy0]

35. Obama doesn't have an ounce of experience

McCain, despite the fact that he's a repug, does. That's what she meant. It's not an endorsement, it's just the facts.

[Hawkeye-X]

38. Not buying your peddles..

Take it to FreeRepublic.com where it belongs.

[Skittles]

39. the facts do not count with Obamabots

just sheer hysterics. Same is true for a lot of Clintonites.

[madrchsod]

41. the fact is --she placed a republican above a democrat

and insulted that democrat by saying they did nothing but make a speech.

[TwilightGardener]

43. McCain has sure got Hillary beat on experience--by decades. And on heroism

and service to the nation. And on selfessness, and sacrifice, and love for his country.

[Carolina]

55. FUCK experience

Yeah, I said it.

What is Hillary's? First Lady for 20 years! Spare me. She repeates the experience mantra like something straight out of the repuke playbook... say something (ANYTHING) long and loud enough and it becomes truth.

Rumsfeld had experience, Powell had experience, Cheney had experience... lotta fucking good it did.

And she just handed her own ass to McCain if, by hook or crook, she becomes the nominee because he can use HER own words against HER by simply quoting her and then pointing out that
A) he is older and logically has a longer lifetime of experience and
B) his experience is bona fide, not based on his spouse's job.

[canadian_is_cold]

44. Your right, it was odd....

I found myself wondering just what in the world she was trying to accomplish, beating Obama, or gunning for a VP position with McCain... I am confused.

[rug]

45. You're wasting a perfectly good thread over shit. You know damn well that's not what she said.

[Warren Stupidity]

62. OMG! I Wasted A Thread Over Shit!!!!

FUCK!

I waste my three threads here on a regular basis, day in and day out, by not starting any threads in this useless cesspool of deliberate idiocy.

As for what I know and don't know, on your part that can only be conjecture. On the other hand what clinton said is on the record.

[rug]

64. If you believe that, you've convinced me this is a useless cesspool of deliberate idiocy.

[durrrty libby]

46. She is right. You are wrong

[stillcool]

47. Someone turned me on to this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

which is very telling considering what happened today.

[Warren Stupidity]

57. Thanks: another stellar Clinton moment.

I'd forgotten that little stunt.

[workinclasszero]

48. If Hillary moves the goalpost again

its proof that she is out to destroy Obama's chance to be elected President.

If Obama wins big tomorrow and Hillary refuses to concede, she is working to elect her close friend McCain so she can have a shot in 2012.

She is a despicable mudslinging gutter politician that needs to be put out to pasture and hopefully out of the party!

[ecstatic]

49. McCainCo will play the clip over and over. Even if she ends up the nominee

Nobody likes a disloyal %#@$Q$@

[Carolina]

56. Exactly!

And she just stupidly handed her own ass to McCain if, by hook or crook, she becomes the nominee because he can use HER own words against HER by simply quoting her and then pointing out that:

A) he is older and logically has a longer lifetime of experience and
B) his experience is bona fide, not based on his spouse's job

What a fucking idiot.

[stevietheman]

50. I'm now going to sit out the GE if she gets the nomination.

I have had ENOUGH.

I was going to support her if she won the nom fair and square.

But this statement is beyond the pale.

For me at this point, it's Obama or a write-in for Obama in November.

[Beausoir]

51. Good for you! Keep hope alive! LOL.

[RetroLounge]

58. " including our nation"

:rofl:

RL

[Warren Stupidity]

59. Yeah after all it is just a sports contest or a beauty pageant.

It isn't like there is actually something real and tangible at stake here.

[RetroLounge]

61. If you really believe Hillary would "sacrifice the nation"

then you have nothing worth replying to except with laughter

:rofl:

RL

[Warren Stupidity]

63. Her support for McCain over Obama is just that.

Only my opinion of course. Keep laughing.

[RetroLounge]

65. After reading the bullshit all over GDP

it's laugh or cry.

Tonight I choose laugh.

By the way, and in all honesty, I wish both candidates luck tomorrow, and think they are BOTH better than McCain, by far.

RL

[Ichingcarpenter]

60. Pastor Hagee can be their foreign policy advisor!!!!!!!!!!!

and Fox for our only channel!!!!

Hillary Rocks, she is so hip!!!

[TreasonousBastard]

70. Jeez, you really take campaign rhetoric seriously?