Re: Kerry.... What did you all expect........

[nomaco-10]

The news today is that jobs have grown and you can bank on UBL being caught and presented for the American consumption just before November. What were you thinking when you thought John Kerry would be a shoe in?

It's been a real rude awakening to come to the realization that bush* will not only steal the election in 2004 with the help of Diebold, but will probably take it with ease. KKKarl Rove and the duplicity of the corporate whore media we have in this country will see to a bush* victory. Look to your uninformed neighbors for blame when bush* is re-selected and stop blaming the tried and true good dems on this board that have been cast aside because they have doubts about the nominee. We are not your nemesis, nor have we ever been, we have been your compatriots in democracy all along, the division on this board is proof positive that we as a party have much work and reconciliation to do, whether you believe it or not. Those of us not keen on Kerry never deserved the mauling and the consternation we have gotten in the last few weeks here and it's time to bury the hatchet and come together and start electing good dems at the local level, it may be our only hope at this point.

I implore you all to take a look at all dems at even the lowest local levels in your community and support them 100%.

[angryinoville]

1. I hear waht you're saying...

I was never a Kerry guy, but it's not over yet. Iwas a Dean or Clark gut myself. Now both of them are out stumping for Kerry and influencing his platform as well. With true Americans like Dean and Clark on our side, there is still hope! Hang in there and let's get tough!

[lastknowngood]

2. truth out! The manufactured numbers today were just the first

of my 5 keys to fascist victory in Nov. but it's right on time and the media whores are playing it up and not even mentioning the 3,300 people being let go at Sun Micro systems. If you want to understand the bogus numbers go to urbansurvival.com and check out their free weekly.

[Mz Pip]

3. It ain't over

yet. If Bush is capable of stealing this election then he can do so regardless of who the nominee is. Would what is now going on be any different regardless of who our nominee is?

Kerry wan't my first choice but I sort of believe he was picked because people went with experience over charisma. I don't know who these people are who seem to go back and forth between Kerry and Bush. Given what the polls are doing that seems to be what is happening.

I think the mess in Iraq will continue to simmer. And even if bin Laden is caught will that suddenly cause millions of Kerry supporters to jump over to Bush? I kind of doubt it.

My region is heavily Dem so I am considering crashing at a friend's place in Ohio and pounding the pavement for Kerry there.

I'm not ready to hang it up just yet.

MzPip
:dem:

[w4rma]

4. Minimum wage,seasonal/temporary,non-professional + ~72K returning strikers

What blasted job boost!!? Do these sound like good middle-class/upper-class jobs? Not to me. It is my understanding that the economy must create *at least* 100,000 jobs per month just to keep up with incoming new, young workers (i.e. break even).

[MessiahRp]

5. Oh please have a link for that

I so want a link to use against Freepers with those stats.

Rp

[w4rma]

21. A few links

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Even so, the unemployment rate inched up a tenth of a point to 5.7 percent as more people were encouraged to start looking for work again but failed to find jobs, the Labor Department (news - web sites) said Friday.
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He noted that most of the increase was because of part-time workers. The number of people who worked part time for economic reasons rose to 4.7 million in March, up from 4.4 million the previous month.
Note: 4.7M - 4.4M = 300K

"The average duration of unemployment has been lengthening, persuading unemployed workers to accept part-time jobs," Sohn said.

In March, there were 8.35 million people unemployed, compared with 8.17 million the previous month. The average duration of unemployment has been more than 20 weeks, a 20-year high.

Technical factors also contributed to the overall hiring increase, Sohn said. Good weather helped boost employment in construction, which rose by 71,000 last month. The end of a strike by California grocery workers was a big factor in the increase in retailers' payrolls, which were up by 47,000.

The average monthly gain in jobs in the past eight months has been about 95,000 — far below the 150,000 to 200,000 jobs needed to absorb new entrants into the labor force, Sohn said. Like last month, the unemployment rate could rise in coming months as workers decide to resume their job searches.
…
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040402/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/economy&cid=668&ncid=716

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The March rise in payrolls reflected the resolution of a labor dispute at grocery stores in southern California that had idled 72,000 workers. The department said the return of those workers helped fuel a 47,000 increase in retail employment last month, but it did not quantify the impact.
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While a long-hoped for rise in manufacturing employment did not appear, the department said factory payrolls were unchanged in March, finally breaking a string of 43 consecutive monthly declines.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4652107/

308,000 jobs? Bushit! 170,000 jobs for retail clerks & burger engineers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1334888

[PROGRESSIVE1]

6. BINGO!!! Low wage jobs are crap!!!

The mediawhores make millions per year!!!!

Of course they want Bushler, they can afford the little nazi,
the average American is being screwed!!!!!!!

John Kerry can do it!!!!!

[nomaco-10]

7. It's all about PERCEPTIONS and what the nightly news....

decides to put out there for the ever gullible masses that want only good news between watching American Idol and Survivor. I'm sorry, but that's how it is and that kind of manufactured "good news" is what they want to hear and what they will base their "feel good" vote on in November. Believe me, I take no joy in typing out this opinion.

[KC21304]

8. You're right. Everything is swell. If you don't believe it

just ask the GOP.

But then again if you want to know the real truth you may have to dig a little deeper.

http://www.magicvalley.com/news/business/index.asp?StoryID=4820

[freeforall]

9. Does anybody else think...

that * threatened, or is in cahoots with, his corporate sponsors to "create" some jobs temporarily to make him look good - especially with all the shit from the Clarke expose and Condi's testimony coming up?

Also, I'm afraid to say, Kerry is not helping his own cause. He has not said anything - just remains silent in the background while others (Dean, Clark, et al) stump for him. IMO, this doesn't portray much strength as a leader. I know his arm is sore, but what about his mouth?


;(

[spooky3]

10. He's just had surgery; we need to give him a break. Besides,

there are many months before the election. Perceptions today won't matter at all in November, and as we know they change quickly. Ideally, it would be wonderful if Kerry could get favorable press 24/7 and have unlimited $. He can't and doesn't. So we have to be realistic in our expectations. Meanwhile we need to contribute to the cause in whatever ways we can.

[nomaco-10]

12. You have it right on both counts.....

Yes, the so-called job surplus was a Rove driven news bite that was helped out by the corporate whore media and was bought and paid for by the oil and pharmecutical companies. WE KNOW IT, but your good friends and neighbors up and down your culdesac have no clue and that is what will kill our chances to take back our country. It's all too sad anymore to even rail about these issues as the so-called "MODERATES" on this board have decided that an "ELECTIBLE HAM SANDWICH" was preferable to any DEM that might take us forward to UNITY, PROSPERITY and PEACE. Kerry shows daily that he does not posess the charisma nor the fortitude to stay on focus for democratic values and principles necessary to carry his party forward, much less the all important undecided sector of voters. Just goes to show you what an oxy-moron a politician can become when he turns his back on his constituency and tries to become all things to all people.

Be Careful what you wish for, you just might get it....

[Feanorcurufinwe]

15. You've been wrong about Kerry all along, why should things change now?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

11. Another divisive post that pretends to be the opposite

" It's been a real rude awakening to come to the realization that bush* will not only steal the election in 2004 with the help of Diebold, but will probably take it with ease. "


Your 'realization' is nothing more than a statement of your own fears. And I think your analysis of the situation will turn out to be as valid as your previous prediction of a mass movement of Kerry supporters to the Clark campaign -- in other words, totally worthless and lacking in insight.

I encourage you to do anything you can to help Democrats at any level. Hopefully in some other capacity than as a political strategist or prognosicator.

[nomaco-10]

13. Well, bookmark it then.......

and I'll meet you here in early November to see who is correct.

I only hope I'm wrong as to the outcome, that's why I'm calling on all good dems to get involved in the vey lowest level, local elections and get involved, surely you have no problem with that?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

14. I repeat, everyone should do everything they can to elect Democrats

we are all in this together.

Would it be productive for me to tell the supporters of those Democratic candidates who I believe will lose, that I think they are working on a lost cause?

[R3dD0g]

16. 308,000 jobs!!! 5.7% unemployment.

What does that mean?

It means that the US economy must create about 250,000 jobs each month just to keep up with population growth. We beat that by 58,000 jobs. 58K out of a population of almost 300 million. That ain't worth jumping up and down about unless you've already lost 2.5 million jobs on your watch.

The fact that the numbers filing for unemployment insurance grew by 0.1% at the same time 308K jobs were created is furher proof that nothing the * administration does is likely to create enough jobs before November to ameliorate the job situation.

Jobs won't come back before the elections. There will be blips up, but the trend will be down. Does anybody remember the hoopla last winter? I seem to remember the media trumpeting 150K jobs and then nothing.

This administration is as clueless as their daddy.

[DaveSZ]

17. Yeah it's looking dimmer for Kerry

I mean if the jobs continue to be produced, he loses because that's what his campaign was based on.

I'm somewhat skeptical of these numbers though, since the Labor Department is an arm of the WH.

I'm also pissed off at the media for treating every lie out of this Administration as truth, but they are in Bush's pocket.

[orwell]

19. Correction

I think the number to keep up with population growth is 150k per month.

O

[rockymountaindem]

20. I've heard estimates ranging from 150k to 300k.

I don't know which is correct.

[orwell]

18. Get it Done

A Presidential election campaign is a marathon, not a sprint. If you are willing to stop running 7 months before the finish line you shouldn't even start the race.

Get used to the ups and downs. There will be a lot more of them before this is over. Pessimism isn't going to help get it done.

O