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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:52 PM
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The Swing States Through The Eyes of the Electoral College - who should be nominated?
I will use this page as reference for what is considered a swing state so there is no confusion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_state

I will count Florida, but not Michigan, seeing as how Obama's name wasn't on the ballot in MI. I am willing to concede the point that Florida should be removed from Hillary's column, but I still think she wins the state anyways regardless of whether Obama campaigned in the state or not.

Let's go through the irrelevant states that each candidate has won for various reasons - they are either traditionally Democratic states that will vote Democratic, or traditional Republican states that will vote red regardless of who is nominated.

Republicans - Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, Wyoming

Democrats - California, Connecticut, Delaware, D.C., Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont


Now I will list the swing states each candidate has won and how many electoral votes they have total when you add all of them up.

Obama
Washington - 11
Colorado - 9
Minnesota - 10
Iowa - 7
Missouri - 11
Wisconsin - 10
Virginia - 13

Total for Obama: 71

Hillary
New Hampshire - 4
Florida - 27
Ohio - 20
Nevada - 5
New Mexico - 5
Arkansas - 6

Total for Hillary: 67

Swing states yet to have voted
Pennsylvania: 21
Oregon: 7

Obama holds the slight lead over Hillary among swing state electoral votes. However, Pennsylvania has 21 electoral votes and they vote 7 weeks from now. Whomever wins Pennsylvania will have more electorate voters from potential swing states. I am convinced that whomever wins Pennsylvania should be the frontrunner for the nomination. That is really the only way to decide this. Both sides are claiming that each side specific strengths among swing states, and they are right.

Hillary has the lead in the traditional swing states like Ohio and Florida that have decided the election the past few years, but some of my fellow Obama supporters have told me that Obama could win through the "backdoor" so to speak, winning other swing states like Colorado that Hillary doesn't have quite the appeal in. Others argue that Obama could win Ohio and Florida in the general. It's all up in the air and up to interpretation.


I still say: Let the winner of Pennsylvania decide whom should be the frontrunner for the nomination. Pennsylvania is the most important state that we need to keep blue.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:55 PM
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1. It really doesn't matter who wins the primary...
You can't project that onto the general election...

Because if that were the case, I would be a State Senator right now...

It's fun to think this way, but honestly, the dynamics of a general election are far different than those that shape a primary...
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:55 PM
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2. This is very poor reasoning.
Just because candidate A won a primary against candidate B doesn't mean that candidate A will fare better than candidate B against candidate C in that state's general election. That reality makes your post worthless.
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NMMatt Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:58 PM
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3. Exactly
Hillary is toxic to Blacks at this point and there is absolutely no way she can win most swing states without their support.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:27 PM
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4. And anyone who thinks she'll win FL against McCain is deluding themselves.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:42 PM
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5. toxic to blacks? did you ask every black person and get that answer? nt
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:30 PM
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6. Hey Rush, welcome to the party...
Seriously, the African American community is far more diversified than you may think...

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