Why did Obama win Wisconsin but lose Ohio?

[Eric J in MN]

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/

Wisconsin February 19, 2008
Obama 58%
Clinton 41%

Ohio March 4, 2008
Obama 44%
Clinton 54%

[mmonk]

1. Because they are not the same state.

[Kittycat]

2. Different demographics.

And she ran a sleezy campaign there. Complete with fake new reports, a la Rove/Bush.

[tyne]

5. I'm impressed

with the voters she won who stated that race was an issue. Impressive.

[Eric J in MN]

14. Different how? NT

NT

[pinkpops]

17. Demographics - yes

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/the_differences_between_ohio_a.php

[pnwmom]

19. And a different date -- the Ohio vote was AFTER the leak about Obama's NAFTA

comments to the Canadians (saying that his Ohio rhetoric against NAFTA was just that -- rhetoric for the purpose of the campaign).

[JackORoses]

40. and the Canadians waited until today to refute this.

Convenient for Hillary, wouldn't you say?

[onehandle]

3. Aliens. nt

[MoonRiver]

4. People knew more about him by the time Ohio voted. eom

[mohc]

6. Why did Kerry win WI and not OH? n/t

[Eric J in MN]

10. Because in 2004 voting machines in Ohio were sent to Republican precincts...

...to create long lines which lasted for hours in Democratic precincts.

[mohc]

15. touche n/t

[woolldog]

7. WI has always had a reputation of being more progressive.

Look how the negative ads backfired in WI but worked in OH.

I imagine WI is a more educated state as well.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

8. Winning Wisconsin made him the presumptive nominee and the press started

treating him like a candidate.

[OzarkDem]

9. Obama's message went stale

as it will continue to do.

Obama has no real message or plans to offer voters. Hearing the nice, but empty speeches works for a while, but eventually people want more proof that he's got something real to offer.

Each week brings more bad news for the economy, each week can be a lifetime in worry over bills, jobs, financial security. Obama isn't doing much to prove his worth to voters on those issues.

[Berry Cool]

12. Funny, I'm in Ohio and I voted for him anyway.

I think he has a real message and plans, and I don't find his speeches empty at all. I don't find anything you say about him to be the least true.

And, by the way, I'm educated.

[Kukesa]

39. I'm educated, too, and I voted for him. n/t

[9119495]

32. you should check out his website

so I don't have to post all the stuff from there on DU. But then, you've probably never been.

[Birthmark]

11. Probably just some plot or something. eom

[GodlessBiker]

13. Cheese.

[rosetta627]

18. LMAO!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[pnwmom]

16. The leak from the Canadians that said Obama reassured them about NAFTA,

saying that his anti-NAFTA rhetoric in Ohio was just for campaign purposes.

If I were an Ohio voter, I would have been pissed off to hear that. And maybe the Wisconsin voters would have been too -- but their vote happened BEFORE the leak.

[woolldog]

20. You mean the story that has been discredited by the CBC.

[pnwmom]

22. The Canadians basically confirmed it today. They're only objecting to the fact

that the leak wasn't "fair" to Obama. So they're going to be going after the leakers.

[Eric J in MN]

24. The Obama economic advisor told the Canadians...

...the Obama isn't fundamentally against NAFTA but wants more labor and environmental protections.

That is the same thing Obama said during the last debate.

[pnwmom]

30. He also told the Canadians not to worry, that his anti-NAFTA comments

were about "political positioning."

He didn't say that during the debate.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601082&sid=aHmZxiKnNsIQ&refer=canada

March 5 (Bloomberg) -- Canadian opposition parties urged Prime Minister Stephen Harper to call a police investigation into a leaked memo about Senator Barack Obama's position on the North American Free Trade Agreement, saying it may have affected voting in yesterday's U.S. Democratic primaries.

Austan Goolsbee, Obama's top economic adviser, met with Canadian consulate officials in Chicago last month, and a memo describing the meeting said he had assured them Obama's promise to re-open Nafta was ``more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans.''

SNIP

[Eric J in MN]

31. That's a way to summarize it which sounds bad.

However, neither Hillary Clinton nor Barack Obama has said that they want to end NAFTA, and they're both criticizing it.

If that Canadian official had talked to a Hillary Clinton advisor, he probably would have written the same thing.

[Omega3]

21. the MSM started to treat him equitably

[VolcanoJen]

23. Ohio and Wisconsin aren't all that similar, to be honest.

But before Wisconsin, there was no "kitchen sink." A lot of shit was thrown at him in the weeks before Ohio (3 AM, SNL(x2), working the refs, Somali garb email to Drudge, "Shame on you Barack Obama," GOP-Vote-For-Hillary campaign that dominated talk radio, NAFTAgate, Rezco, etc. etc.)

He still gained 10 points on her in those three weeks, and she's not leaving Ohio with the delegates she'd most hoped for. The cities went big for Obama and helped decrease her 20 point lead weeks ago, but in the end, we ran out of time.

Oh, and the "kitchen sink."

[NJSecularist]

25. Ohio is much more centrist than Wisconsin.

Wisconsin has more of a progressive streak.

[GodlessBiker]

28. Say what? That's better.

[stray cat]

26. Wisconsinites are generally more affluent, employed and educated

than the demographics of Ohio

[galadrium]

27. We had a crapload of right wingers crashing the primary

Following Rush's suggestion that they vote for Hillary.

[MojoMojoMojo]

29. Wisconsin, Obama went negative with Nafta and Lied about Bankruptcy Bill

Hillary didnt respond and it killed her.
She didnt vote for or support the bankruptcy bill that became law.


"Her supporting NAFTA didn't give jobs to the American people," Obama said of the free-trade agreement implemented while Bill Clinton was president. "Her supporting a bankruptcy bill made it harder for people to get out of debt that didn't help them with the bills that were stacking up on their desks."

[goodhue]

33. Wisconsin is open primary with same day registration, plus more progressive dems

Ohio is closed primary with registration deadline one month before, plus more conservative dems

[Unsane]

34. Because Wisconsin is more upscale, affluent, educated. It's closer to MN than OH.

[TeamJordan23]

36. agree. it is more educated. nm

[still_one]

35. because she endorsed mccain over Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P21PRmUzN-A

[TheDonkey]

37. I think WI has more a zeal for independence and OH well... how do I put this lightly

well there really is no way to put it lightly

but let me just say it is not like WI.

[Kukesa]

38. LOL -- from a Buckeye. n/t

[theHandpuppet]

41. Hillary also had the strong support of a very popular Ohio governor

Ted and Frances Strickland campaigned non-stop for her. She also got strong support from blue collar labor.