The first black candidate is 100% GUARANTEED.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

No matter what happens, Barack Obama will be on the ticket. He wants to be the presidential nominee and is a strong favorite, but even if that fails, he is still 100% to be offered the VP slot.

So a bad day for Barack is being the Vice Presidential nominee.

No matter what happens from here, there will be a person of color on a major party ticket for the first time in our history.

That much, at least, is indeed signed, sealed and delivered.

Good luck to everybody.

[NC_Nurse]

1. Why do you say that?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

9. If Hillary somehow got the nomination, it is 100% she would offer him the VP

It doesn't matter if they don't like each other.

If she's the nominee, the party needs him on the ticket to energize his well-developed base.

So he's on the ticket, and now fighting for position.

Hillary will not be Obama's running mate, so she can get shut out entirely.

[anonymous171]

24. ALthough I despise the idea, I think you are right.

She knows that while her supporters will vote for Obama if he is the nominee (or at least most will), many of Obama supporters have sworn off EVER voting for Clinton, ever. With him on the ticket, even as VP, she will be able to keep those voters.

[SoCalDem]

34. It's sad really.. she HAS to take him

and you know it will piss her off because he's the "rock-star"..

BC pissed in the black-voter pool and without them, she's left with 80 yr old women and blue collar workers & hispanics who think she won't sell them out (she will)

But I think he'll say NO THANKS.

Say Hellllo President McShame

[CyberPieHole]

37. "100% Guaranteed?" She told you that? When? How close are you two?

I can't imagine Hillary picking that Chicago Charlatan for a Veep...she may have dangled that carrot for YOUR consumption, but she doesn't have to pick him and she probably won't. She is smart enough to know that if she said that some voters would buy it, hook line and sinker...and so you have.:evilgrin:

[woolldog]

2. He's a smart guy.

And I would hope that he's smart enough to turn down a VP offer.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

10. That's still historic. No person of color has ever turned down the VP either.

[Herman Munster]

18. no he's a smart guy and will accept the VP offer

If he doesn't, there will be severe consequences like riots in black neighborhoods across this country. He will accept for the good of the party and country.

[woolldog]

28. dumb.

there aren't going to be riots in black neighborhoods across the country. Stop being racist. (I know it's hard for you)

Why would he harm his career by running as Clinton's VP? That would have to be the dumbest idea I've ever heard of, for a young up and coming senator to hitch his post to a corrupt, disliked, and morally challenged political family; his association with them and their scandals would only drag him down similar to the way the Clintons dragged Gore down in 2000. He wouldn't even be the real VP. Bill would, and everyone including Obama knows that. It would be a waste of his talents. The black community understands that. He's better off gaining seniority in the Senate, getting chairmanships of good committees and running again in 2012 or 2016.

[loveangelc]

3. I think Obama will be the nominee. Im not saying that b/c Im his supporter

but I don't see any case Hillary can make if she's behind that much with pledged delegate except that she's won Ohio, Pennsylvania and blue states that either Dem would win...

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

15. And in the tiny eventuality that she somehow wins, Obama will still be VP. That's all I'm sayin'

[kwenu]

22. This issue is trickier than you know. I doubt Obama will be willing to be Hillary's VP.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

30. He would much rather be president, but he'd jump at the VP if it came to that

For a 45 year old? It's a great gig. He would be THE long-term hope of the party, and if Hillary loses, it wouldn't be seen as his fault and he's the front runner for 2012.

Obama is ambitious. If somehow he didn't get the top slot, the VP is the shortest path to the oval office.

As the saying goes, "It's the job nobody wants, but nobody turns down."

[Hoof Hearted]

4. They're gong to pick you apart and say rude things to you.

But I think C/O or O/C would be a fantastic ticket.

[cbayer]

5. i hope you are right

And using your same language, i want to say that the first female candidate is 100% guaranteed as well.

These are amazing times.

What a grand day it is for all of us!

[ingac70]

6. However, a woman on the ticket is not.

She needs him, he doesn't need her.

[Exilednight]

8. Exactly!

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

12. Correct.

[Ichingcarpenter]

7. Hillary said he wasn't qualified as Commander in Chief remember?

So how can she pick him now when she picked McCain as more qualified?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

21. Bush One suggested Reagan was some kind of nut, but he got the slot anyway

Nastiness actually makes these kind of tickets more likely because there's a wound to heal.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

11. I Agree, And That Is Pretty Friggin Awesome.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

35. Seem that not everyone agrees, but I can't see why. I think it's awesome too.

[sellitman]

13. She needs him more than he needs her.

When he wins the nomination I guarantee you Hillary won't be offered the VP position.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

16. That's true, but we've already had a female VP candidate in 1984

Hillary can only make history as presidential nominee.

Barack makes history either way.

[kwenu]

25. Obama is not going to be Hillary's VP to break a record.

[Danger Mouse]

14. I think you're right that it would be in her best interests...

to offer him the VP slot if she wins.
It would be prudent for him to do the same for her, IMHO, if he wins.
Best way to show that you want to unify the Dem party to take on the republicans.
Or first task once the nomination is settled will be to mend fences.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

19. It would be a bad ticket, and I think even she knows that

Clinton would be baggage for Obama.

Obama would be excitement for Hillary.

Half the reason I root for Hillary today is that I want them both on a winning ticket, and unfortunately Obama/Clinton is a bad ticket... energize republicans without getting extra women voters to compensate.

[Danger Mouse]

23. Hmm...I guess that is a problem. The right does hate Clinton with unbridled passion...

the scumbags that they are.

[kwenu]

17. VP is unnacceptable for Obama if he is in the lead with delegates.

[BigAnth]

20. Isn't it funny how

Hillary is trying to run AGAINST Obama and WITH him at the same time???

[ingac70]

26. That's Hillary for ya. n/t

[anamandujano]

27. Don't think so.

There is a great pool of talent if she wants a black veep. They've been working hard for a long time. He is a Johnny come lately.

I don't think he'll be loyal to her. She can't afford to have him so close by.

[FedoraLV]

31. They have been working for a long time

So has he, over his 23 year career:

<http://obama.senate.gov/about/>

-FedoraLV

[LibraLiz1973]

29. I genuinely can not see B.O. being her VP.

I think (just my opinion) that there is too much water under that bridge.

[woolldog]

32. I was reading another board and found this quote.

I agreed with it and thought I would post it here.

I think that taking the #2 ribbon after winning more delegates and getting more votes is a pretty poor prize, but he's willing to sell out for the "Second Best", which I would think would infuriate African-Americans. However, they are so used to taking whatever the Dems hand out, they'll go along to get along.

I can't imagine Michelle Obama going along with whatever muck the Clinton team dishes out to her and her husband. There is no way Obama will get to be a powerful Veep like Cheney, not with Bill around 24/7.

Isn't it rather degrading in a human, not racial or sexist but human, way to be insulted by such a ruthless in such degrading ways and then after to be her #2?

[ingac70]

33. If Obama ends up VP...

I don't want him to be all powerful like Dick Cheney! That shit is for when you have a Pres. too stupid to think for himself, with fascist inclinations.

He can spend 8 years visiting funerals of heads of state, and when he runs in 2016 no one can say he doesn't have experience.

That said, I'd prefer to see him on top of the ticket, sans Hillary. She needs him, he doesn't need her, and if he turned down the VP slot I wouldn't blame him one bit.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

38. That quote makes some assumptions

I agree that Obama would not take "the #2 ribbon after winning more delegates and getting more votes..."

If Hillary is the nominee, she will have gotten more votes.

She probably will not be the nominee, and any scenario where she ends up as nominee involves her winning contests going forward. If she wins enough to possibly be chosen, then the vote totals would not be where they are today.

This is not an argument for the concept of a popular vote... a weird concept in a mix of primaries and caucuses and open and closed primaries.

Just to note that any winning scenario for Hillary probably involves a popular vote win.

[joshcryer]

36. I think he'll actually win it.

Read my sigline.