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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:13 PM
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Hillary's New Math Problem
BETWEEN THE LINESJonathan AlterHillary’s New Math Problem
Tuesday's big wins? The delegate calculus just got worse.
Mar 5, 2008 | Updated: 6:48 p.m. ET Mar 5, 2008

Hillary Clinton won big victories Tuesday night in Ohio, Texas and Rhode Island. But she's now even further behind in the race for the Democratic nomination. How could that be? Math. It's relentless.

To beat Barack Obama among pledged delegates, Clinton now needs even bigger margins in the 12 remaining primaries than she needed when I ran the numbers on Monday—an average of 23 points, which is more than double what she received in Ohio.

Superdelegates won't help Clinton if she cannot erase Obama's lead among pledged delegates, which now stands at roughly 134. Caucus results from Texas aren't complete, but Clinton will probably net about 10 delegates out of March 4. That's 10 down, 134 to go. Good luck.

I've asked several prominent uncommitted superdelegates if there's any chance they would reverse the will of Democratic voters. They all say no. It would shatter young people and destroy the party.

Clinton's only hope lies in the popular vote—a yardstick on which she now trails Obama by about 600,000 votes. Should she end the primary season in June with a lead in popular votes, she could get a hearing from uncommitted superdelegates for all the other arguments that she would make a stronger nominee (wins the big states, etc.). If she loses both the pledged delegate count and the popular vote, no argument will cause the superdelegates to disenfranchise millions of Democratic voters. It will be over.

(snip)

I'm no good at math, but with the help of Slate’s Delegate Calculator, I've once again scoped out the rest of the primaries. In order to show how deep a hole she's in, I've given her the benefit of the doubt every week. That's 12 victories in a row, bigger in total than Obama's run of 11 straight. And this time I've assigned her even larger margins than I did before in Wyoming, North Carolina, Indiana and Kentucky.

So here we go again:

Let's assume that on Saturday in Wyoming, Clinton's March 4 momentum gives her an Ohio-style 10-point win, confounding every expectation. Next Tuesday in Mississippi, where African-Americans play a big role in the Democratic primary, she shocks the political world by again winning 55-45.

Then on April 22, the big one—Pennsylvania—and it's a Clinton blowout: 60-40, with Clinton picking up a whopping 32 delegates. She wins both of Guam's two delegates on May 3 and Indiana's proximity to Illinois does Obama no good on May 6. The Hoosiers go for Clinton 55-45 and the same day brings another huge upset in a heavily African-American state. Enough blacks desert Obama to give North Carolina to Hillary in another big win, 55-45, netting her seven more delegates.

May 13 in West Virginia is no kinder to Obama, and he loses by double digits, netting Clinton two delegates. Another 60-40 landslide on May 20 in Kentucky nets her 11 more. The same day brings Oregon, a classic Obama state. Ooops! He loses there 52-48. Clinton wins by 10 in Montana and South Dakota on June 3 and the scheduled primary season ends on June 7 in Puerto Rico with another big Viva Clinton! Clinton pulls off a 60-40 landslide, giving her another 11 delegates.

Given that I've put not a thumb but my whole fist on the scale, this fanciful calculation gives Hillary the lead, right? Actually, it makes the score 1,625 to 1,584 for Obama. A margin of 39 pledged delegates may not seem like much, but remember, the chances of Obama losing state after state by 20-point margins are slim to none.

(snip)

This will leave it up to the superdelegates to figure out how to settle on a nominee. With 205 already committed to Obama, he would need another 200 uncommitted superdelegates to get to the magic number of 2025 delegates needed to nominate. But that's only under my crazy pro-Hillary projections. More likely, Obama would need about 50-100 of the approximately 500 uncommitted superdelegates, which shouldn't be too difficult.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/119010/page/1

And that's if you use assumptions that Clinton will have way bigger leads than ever possible. Math doesn't lie, isn't biased, and doesn't look at the candidates with any emotion.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:16 PM
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1. The faster she spins,
the "behinder" she gets!


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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:16 PM
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2. kr
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:25 PM
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3. To be honest, I got screwed up by New Math myself.
Seriously, Hillary Clinton is a bright woman. She is a loyal democrat. I so want to believe that she is going to do what is right for the party and for the country.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:29 PM
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5. All that base 6, base 3...huh??!?
I agree - I had respect for her before this election process (I actually took a very long time to choose between her and Obama) and I want to hope for the best and feel that I'll still have respect for her after it.
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ExFreeper4Obama Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:29 PM
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4. Hillary is now the Mike Huckabee of the Democratic Party
I guess she majored in miracles and not math

:rofl:
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:29 PM
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6. great name and great post
welcome to DU
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:30 PM
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7. Welcome to DU!
And to the Good Side! ;)
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ExFreeper4Obama Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:35 PM
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10. Thanks for the nice welcome guys
Heres to Obama killing McCain

:toast:
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:34 PM
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8. I've been calling her
Huckalree RondPaulm Clinton as of late.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:00 PM
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13. Huckalree!
That's funny!
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:35 PM
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9. That's why sweet Hil is spending every moment trying to manufacture a "Macaca Moment". nt
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ExFreeper4Obama Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:42 PM
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11. Hillary's campaign is trying to produce a scandal a day
Pathetic. She is done!!
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:52 PM
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12. Awesome math post!
Yet the Clinton Supporters are going nuts over what they think was a big win yesterday. LOL!

I highly doubt Obama can get another shocking loss of a state at this point. He lost states yesterday because some voters found his recent weakness in reacting a chance to move to Clinton to try to keep this going. Voters will no longer find Obama weak and there is pretty bad stuff in Clinton's past and present that will be soon exposed.

The clintons can no longer claim anyone is ganging up on her after the outrageous swiftboating and attacks before yesterday.

I think April 22 (If Clinton politically survives to that contest) Will at worst be a 1-2 gain for Clinton and much more likely a small gain for Obama or a tie.
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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:07 PM
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14. Hillary is Obama's biggest headache...TS!
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:29 PM
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15. B


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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:38 PM
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16. Math
Thanks for laying it out so clearly.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:40 PM
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17. Hillary's "big victories" will be wiped out by one HUGE victory in Mississippi on Tuesday.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:36 PM
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19. She gained four delegates!
Woo hoo?
You're right - what Obama will gain on Tuesday will wipe out that "big win."
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:42 PM
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18. I read that article on Monday and can't figure out why the HIll camp
is so happy, either....
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