Since when has the idea of allowing people to VOTE become abhorrent to liberals?

[Beausoir]

Clinton needs to drop out now?!?

Before everyone has had a chance to VOTE?

This is about as unDemocratic as it comes.

Let the primary process play out.

Let people VOTE.

[Cant trust em]

1. There were a few "Obama should drop out" posts last night

yes, it's true.

[joshcryer]

4. A lot of those were snarky and in response.

I know of at least one of them (by rodeo) who was being completely sarcastic, because their post title mimicked the tired meme by Obama supporters.

[Cant trust em]

42. no way was rodeo being COMPLETELY sarcastic

he/she would love to see Obama drop as much as anyone on DU.

[NashVegas]

46. It Was Totally Sarcastic

And it goes to show people just how far some Obama boosters have their heads up their arses, that they didn't recognize themselves in the mirror.

[galadrium]

2. It isn't

Clinton needs to drop out for the good of the party's chances of winning in November, not because Obama doesn't want people to vote.

[Beausoir]

6. Just let the people vote. Is it too much to ask?

[galadrium]

10. They'll get the chance in November

[Beausoir]

14. NO. They have a chance NOW. Let the people vote.

[galadrium]

15. Nobody is suggesting the people don't vote

Clinton should just drop out, people can still vote for her if they want.

[Beausoir]

17. You can not possibly be a liberal. No way.

[galadrium]

23. I'm too pragmatic for you, I'd rather see a Democrat win instead of a long damaging primary

[Beausoir]

29. So, you could give a toss about Democracy...you just want Obama to win.

Let everyone vote.

[galadrium]

30. I'd take either Hillary or Obama... I just don't want McCain

The longer this process goes, the more it hurts the Democrat's chances of winning.

[Beausoir]

32. That is bullshit. Why are you so frightened of McCain? It doesn't make sense.

If we follow your logic...we need to deny Democrats the right to vote...in order to beat McCain??

Stop being such a wuss.

[Bluenorthwest]

50. Might I suggest

That the Primary is healthy for us as a Party. Yep. Cutting it off early is foolish. Millions with strong opinions who have been donating and such, just cut out of it? Because some voters can not deal with competition and claim to be so fearful of an old stammering man?
Sorry, I'm empty on the fear tank, so 'boo McCain' won't work. I'm a Democrat. I want to vote, and I want to hear the discussion in my state around my people. I don't care about your candidate or the other one so much as I care about the Party. You want to disenfranshize half the nation to ensure victory for a Fundy alligned pro Blackwater centerist?

[Zachstar]

40. Yes

Because the longer this bullshit goes on the bigger the chance gets the republicans will win the presidency.

As for dropping out and voting. Last time I checked you were still allowed to vote even when the candidate dropped out.

got a problem? Demand that in 2012 the primary season gets squished to 1-2 months instead of Feb-June. Then time will not be against you.

But if you think this is some kind of game then I don't know what to say. You will have your chance to vote.

[Trajan]

3. I wouldn't make much of that ....

Asking your opponent to drop out isnt exactly the same thing as calling their mama insulting names ... It is a common rhetorical ploy .... Intended to stir the pot ....

FYI: Many candidates do in fact drop out early, so it is not unprecedented ....

[Upton]

5. Seems to me its even more undemocratic

to overturn the will of the people with super delegates.

[Beausoir]

8. I agree.

Let the people vote.

[Mooney]

7. It's just hyperbole.

Don't take it so seriously.

[OhioBlue]

9. It is about winning in November

If we keep fighting until the convention, the American Public will have a negative image of our candidate in their mind. We need to define our candidate now or the Republicans will do it for us and it won't be good. They will keep the attack going, our candidates will keep attacking each other and McCain can introduce himself as the one that is above all of this while the Conservative 527s destroy any credibility of our candidates.

[Beausoir]

12. It's about DEMOCRACY! Fuck McCain and FUCK the Republicans and their perceptions of us.

We allow people to vote and we count all the votes.

[OhioBlue]

19. and by that time

We will have 2 months and the public will have already formed their opinions of our candidates - both will have been defined by the Right Wing, with our help b/c we will be beating each other up through the convention. This isn't the 60's. We have 24 hour news channels, the internet, chain e-mails, etc. Every bad thing about our candidates (true or made up) will have been reinforced in voters minds a hundred times. By then, we will have a very hard time overcoming the public perception.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

11. When I read your headline I thought you were referring to this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4918863

[Beausoir]

13. I'm talking about this ridiculous notion that Obama or Clinton should QUIT for the good of the party

Let people vote.

Count the votes.

[Liberal Veteran]

16. Jesus....People are being allowed to vote and have voted.

Have you thought about why there are only three candidates left out of 9? Because there comes a point where the nominees have to look at the reality.

[Beausoir]

18. Let the primary work. Let all people have a chance to vote. Why does that bother you?

Why is that so upsetting to you?

[Liberal Veteran]

20. Is this your first primary?

This is pretty much how it has worked since my first chance to vote in 1984.

[Beausoir]

27. No. I am older than the hills. Let the process work. Let people vote.

[theHandpuppet]

21. Exactly right

Party should never trump democracy.

:thumbsup:

[Beausoir]

28. Why is this so hard for people who claim to be Liberals?

[Yael]

22. As a PA voter, I have to say

that I am dreading the scorched earth headed our way.

I would rather focus on dem GOTV the next 7 weeks than on cleaning up shit stains after a "competitive" candidate.

Thanks but no thanks.

[Beausoir]

34. So...you don't want your chance to vote. Wow.

My vote is sacred.

The fact that you would discard your vote is foreign to me.

[msallied]

43. This is a PRIMARY. Save your sacred cows

for November, where winning IS the biggest thing. Doesn't do much good to cast a vote in November for a party that has torn itself to shreds from the inside out.

[stillcool]

24. It's that damn Primary system...

I think we should abolish it right now! And have a re-vote!

[Zhade]

25. She's just giving McLame ammo to use when Obama clinches the nom.

Which he will.

That's my guess on the calls for her to drop out.

[beezlebum]

26. drop outs

i supported kucinich. he dropped out. wah. i didn't get to vote for him. no fair. :cry:

i supported edwards. he dropped out. wah. i didn't get to vote for him. no fair. :cry:

i was disappointed. i was frustrated and upset. i felt disenfranchised and sold out.

and i was annoyed with obama and clinton supporters, b/c they had called for both to drop out, blah blah blah, they had no chance, they're just getting in the way, they're taking votes away from ________ or _________, puke vomit hurl.

i saw here on several occasions several threads dedicated to imploring DK and JE to drop out, and even to just "STFU already DK/JE!! Let us get on with it!!" and even "all DK and JE are doing is impeding the democratic process by staying in and taking votes from viable candidates!!11!1" funny how now it's "why do you want to impede the democratic process by asking clinton to leave?" (just an observation of a common thread irony).

i don't take it too much to heart though, b/c we are all just a bunch of nobodies clattering away on keyboards, having virtually nothing to do with what obama or clinton does. and ultimately, what really cheered me up was knowing that we were just one step closer to being through with *.

finally and most of all, nobody is disallowing the people's right to vote. maybe pissing in some cornflakes, but...

[nomorewhopper]

31. the people already have voted

she lost

deal with it

every single other candidate has dropped out. look at what it is doing to our party. she will be held responsible.

[Beausoir]

33. The people of Pennsylvania have voted? Really? Wyoming has voted? Really?

Mississippi has voted? Really?

Why are you so afraid of letting people vote?

[nomorewhopper]

37. she cannot catch up to obama

face the facts

SHE LOST

it's OVER. yet she won't drop out because she wants to slime her way into the nomination. the ONLY way she can win is by sliming her way to victory. that's why people are pissed. she's planning to steal the election, and the "yougogirl" crowd is in full compliance.

[Bluenorthwest]

52. Not this people

The People of my great state do not vote until May. Sorry if the attention span is a chore for you.
Here is a clue: a victor can claim victory, for they have been victorious. Obama knows he is not there as yet, and in fact the popular vote is very close.

[asthmaticeog]

35. By that logic, Dodd, Biden, Richardson, Kucinich, Edwards & Gravel

shouldn't have been permitted to drop out before all the states voted. Do you favor forcing all states to keep all of them on the ballot, and forcing all of them to continue campaigning -- or are you "unDemocratic?"

[Beausoir]

36. Can't you see the flaw in your logic?

[asthmaticeog]

44. Care to point it out?

I is uh dumfuk. :silly:

[DrFunkenstein]

38. She Has The Right to Stay Just Like Ralph Nader

No matter what the consequences. It may be statistically impossible for her to pull ahead of Obama, but since she campaigned in Michigan and Florida, she certainly hasn't been worried about playing fair.

[ShadowLiberal]

39. I disagree, they're both killing each other's chances in the general election

I strongly disagree with the idea that we should wait for the next 3 or 4 months to determine our nominee, and if you want us to have the best chance at taking back the white house you'll agree with me when I explain.

The fact of the matter is the longer our primary goes on, while the GOP's is over, the weaker both Obama and Hillary become in a general election, and the more the third candidate, John McCain, benefits from our long primary fight.

Recently Hillary has gotten very negative against Obama, making him much more vulnerable to attacks in a general election with McCain being able to say stuff like "hey even Hillary's campaign says you can't keep us safe".

Obama looks like he'll go more negative to, which will make Hillary's already bleak chances in a general election even bleaker from her negatives in the high 40's getting even higher. If Hillary gets the nomination McCain can already say stuff like "hey even the Obama campaign say your judgment sucks and you and you made the wrong call on the most important decision of the decade".

The fact of the matter is even though we all may think McCain is nothing more then a radical neocon who's slightly liberal McCain has a dangerous ability to appeal to independents. Polls have shown that extremely proIraq war McCain has usually won the proIraq war vote among antiwar people. The fact is McCain will already be extremely difficult to defeat, and we're shooting ourselves in the foot and allowing the supreme court to go to the neocons for the next decade or two if we lose this election.

[Beacool]

41. Since their candidate wont get a coronation.

Let them fight it to the end, that's what democracy is about. All states should be allowed to vote before the nomination is decided. They should also find a way to include MI and FL. Disenfranchising FL is a huge mistake because the Dems. down there are so angry at the party that FL will probably go Republican in November if their delegates are not seated at the convention.

[NashVegas]

45. Recommended

I agree, it's appalling.

[pampango]

47. If Hillary had dominated on Super Tuesday, do you think her camp would urge

Obama to drop out or that he stay in, so that everyone gets to vote?

I have an opinion, but perhaps yours is different.

[Iris]

48. Depends. Would she be winning by a mere 100 or so delegates?

When it's that close, I don't see why either candidate should have to drop out. I'm actually enjoying this. It's exciting and honestly I can say it will make me more excited to vote for whichever candidate finally wins the nomination.

[QC]

49. Letting people vote is good when it benefits Obama.

It is bad when it doesn't benefit Obama.

Whether something benefits Obama is apparently the new test of right and wrong.

[Catherine Vincent]

51. Word!