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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:33 PM
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CNN: Republican hack says the RNC has been invesitgating HRC's tax returns and Bill Clinton's
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 11:40 PM by IsItJustMe
library doners list to use against her in the general election. Sounds like is some bad stuff in there.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:34 PM
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1. I figured as much because....
...she has done EVERYTHING but be up front about them and has delayed releasing them.

Big surprise...NOT!

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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:35 PM
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2. Who the hell is not allowed to contribute to his library?
That sounds like Pub BS to me!
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:36 PM
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6. I have no idea. You never know though.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:37 PM
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8. You missed the issue....
...ANYONE is allowed to donate...the question is: Who and what are on that list. If it was clean...it would have been released. Obviously, the Clintons do NOT wish to have that list see the light of day.

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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:49 PM
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34. Not at all
people who donate to charities have the right to keep that private.

Would it be good for Planned Parenthood to release their donor list so the right-wing nutjobs could pore over it and find "enemies"?

No, charitable contributions are private. The Clinton Library Foundation would be doing a terrible disservice to their donors to release their names. If donors want to come forward, they're free to do so.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:14 AM
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55. Care to cite and case and code law that supports your averment?
Are you saying that under NO circumstances is that information subject to discovery?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:43 AM
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69. No, I'm not saying that
but discovery would occur in a lawsuit. Who's suing for this information, and on what grounds?
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:37 PM
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9. Everyone is allowed.
That's the problem.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:42 PM
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18. Like the families of those BIll pardoned?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:48 PM
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32. If I got a pardon from a President and I had a few bucks, I'd sure be grateful
enough to want to contribute some to his library. I don't see a problem there.

I think this whole tax return thing is another witch hunt. Both Hillary & Bill made a lot of $$ from their books, and Bill made LOTS of $$ from speeches. If the real question is where did the $5 million loan to her campaign came from, it's a pretty easy answer. Her book advance was bigger than that!
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:51 PM
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39. The pardon problem is the implication of quid pro quo
From a legal standpoint, a President's power of pardon is absolute and unreviewable; the ethical implications of a quid pro quo, however, I think we all can agree are troubling.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:05 AM
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52. Yes, and all the Saudi money.
All sorts of issues will be raised.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:38 PM
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10. Sure it is.. and if she's elected, we'll be wallowing in it all for at least
Another 4 years.. Clinton-Rewind..

We have all seen just how effective the republican minority can be, since '06..and they still have all their 24-7 radio/tv slime-masters on board..

Saddle up, cowboys.. it's gonna be a bumpy trailride if she manages to get elected..
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:43 PM
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26. Well, Not Necessarily...
From tonight's NewsHour with Jim Lehrer:

JIM LEHRER: And now, four seasoned Democratic views of the race.

Leon Panetta is a former House member and Clinton White House chief of staff. He now directs the Panetta Institute for Public Policy at California State University.

Former New Jersey Senator Bill Bradley ran for president in 2000. He's now an author and hosts "American Voices" on satellite radio.

The Reverend Jesse Jackson twice ran for president. He's the founder and president of the Rainbow-PUSH Coalition.

And former Congresswoman Geraldine Ferraro was Walter Mondale's running mate in the 1984 presidential election. She's now a practicing attorney.

...

...

JIM LEHRER: OK. Starting with you, Senator Bradley, do you believe that both Clinton and Obama are viable candidates and both should go on from this point on?

BILL BRADLEY: I think Barack Obama has a much stronger chance of beating John McCain in the general election. I think Hillary is flawed in many ways, and particularly if you look at her husband's unwillingness to release the names of the people who contributed to his presidential library.

And the reason that is important -- you know, are there favors attached to $500,000 or $1 million contributions? And what do I mean by favors? I mean, pardons that are granted; investigations that are squelched; contracts that are awarded; regulations that are delayed.

These are important questions. The people deserve to know. And we deserve, as Democrats, to know before a nominee is selected, because we don't want things to explode in a general election against John McCain.


Link: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/white_house/jan-june08/demdiscuss_03-05.html

:shrug:


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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:50 PM
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36. Unfortunately it's ripe for abuse
The complaints run from Mark Rich buying a pardon to Indian and Saudi companies buying trade policy -- the allegation is that Presidential libraries can be a kind of money-laundering operation for lobbyists.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:16 AM
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57. It's a matter of Clintons using it as a slush fund. And influence portal for foreign governement
for instance.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:31 AM
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62. Vin Gupta and Sant Chatwal
in exchange for favorable treatment in regards to Indian trade. I've been posting their names for months.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:35 PM
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3. Obama needs to point this out.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:37 PM
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7. The new politics of hope, change, unity, and Hillary's tax return!
A bipartisan investigation of Hillary's tax return!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:38 PM
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12. Well, she should just release it then.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:39 PM
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14. She'll wait until the Obamiods heads are about to burst. Then poof
nothing to see.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:41 PM
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16. The RNC will take care of her.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:42 PM
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22. Better pray to your Obama statue for that then.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:58 PM
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45. LOL! Better hope there's nothing there.
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:42 PM
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21. Hey
screwing around the books is OLD politics, and fair game.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:44 PM
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Figure she submitted a bogus tax return do you?
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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:36 AM
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63. Of course not
Its perfectly legal to take money from Dubai interests. The IRS wouldn't blink.

However some ordinary people might not be as forgiving of that in their potential presidential candidate.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:44 AM
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66. Now that's what I call "hope"!
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:03 AM
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51. She claims she's been vetted better than Obama
but refuses to turn over tax records and White House records.

What is H. Clinton hiding from us?

She knows it is harder to beat Obama than to beat McCain.

So she is stalling.

Hillary wants to wait until she gets the nomination before she releases the info.

GOOD for Hillary - - -> BAD for the Democratic party.

Obama didn't get where he is by rolling over to assholes who mock his campaign motto.

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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:35 PM
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4. Of interest perhaps is this tale in the NYT
http://tinyurl.com/2abvyw

Regarding BC and his mining buddy
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:42 PM
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19. Yes
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:42 PM
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20. Deeeee-BUNKED!
Bill kissed a dictator's ass in front of a camera and got a $131 million check for his foundation. Sweet deal.

And what does the William J. Clinton Foundation do? Poverty relief. Disaster relief. AIDS treatment. Basic healthcare.

$131 million will buy an awful lot of food, medicine, and housing assistance for poor people.

--p!
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:45 PM
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28. Are you claiming they haven't personally profitted? How'd they make those millions?
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:48 PM
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33. Lecture tours, business consulting, writing.
You could even ask Bill.

Go ahead. Ask him.

--p!
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:51 PM
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37. ten years ago I would have believed you. I mean, backin the day I even
Thought that the IMF was an organization that loans money to poor countries that otehrwise wouldn't be able to afford things like schools or hydro eclectric dams etc.

Now I am skeptical of it all. Charities are all too often just a code word for "Give us a bunch of dough and we will see that about 2% goes to the 'charitable cause'"
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:02 AM
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49. FYI
http://www.clintonfoundation.org/pdf/annual-report-2006.pdf

The website details the WJCF and its work. In 2006, they distributed about $100 million.

The IMF is a quasi-bank. The WJCF has also been working on international IMF (etc.) debt relief. Bill is not alone in that work, but he has been active. It is a big issue with roots dating back to the Bretton Woods agreement.

You're going to have to find some other intrigue deserving of your wrath. This one is clean, audited, and transparent.

--p!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:28 AM
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61. who knows what you'll find...
Clinton Global Initiative
ORGANIZATION
Founded 2005, "a non-partisan catalyst for action, bringing together a community of global leaders to devise and implement innovative solutions to some of the world’s most pressing challenges."

Official Website:
http://www.clintonglobalinitiative.org /

Susan E. Arnold Global Business President, Proctor & Gamble
Richard Branson Founder of Virgin chain
Laura Bush First Lady under George W. Bush
Bill Clinton 42nd US President, 1993-2001
Edward Djerejian US Ambassador to Israel, 1994
Vin Gupta CEO, InfoUSA
Norman Hsu Notorious Democratic donor
Julian H. Robertson, Jr. Tiger Management
Hector Ruiz Chairman and CEO, AMD

Clintons' InfoUSA Ties Scrutinized
by Peter Overby

Last year, New York Sen. Hillary Clinton took the unusual step of renting out some of her lists. The transaction once again highlights the Clintons' connections to a businessman who now faces questions from the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Reports from Clinton's campaign show that on Dec. 3, it collected payment for renting out three mailing lists, the sale of which netted them $8,225.

It was an unusual transaction, according to Roger Craver, a liberal guru of the political direct-mail industry.
---------------------------------
According to one direct-mail professional, $800,000 would have seemed like a more plausible price for a quality list...

Vin Gupta has a long history of giving and raising campaign money for the Clintons, and gave $1 million for the 2000 Millennium Celebration, a New Year's Party thrown by the Clintons.
----------

After the Clintons left the White House, Gupta hired Bill Clinton as a consultant. It's one of two continuing business relationships he has had since leaving office, and it has been worth $3.3 million, in addition to the options on 100,000 shares of stock.

...

The corporate spending on behalf of the Clintons helped fuel a shareholder lawsuit against Gupta and 10 corporate directors.

There are plenty of other allegations in the suit about homes, cars, and a yacht for Gupta. A Delaware chancery court judge dismissed some of the allegations involving the Clintons. But the case is still proceeding. It has led to an informal inquiry by the Securities and Exchange Commission, which is also asking if Gupta misspent corporate funds.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18958566
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:16 AM
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71. Hsu was recently indicted, right??
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #71
74. I have been lax...
in searching out the friends of the Clinton's that have been indicted. I think it's gotten so common place that it doesn't register as 'news'.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:51 PM
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75. Here is what I remember - events of abt 120 days ago
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 01:15 PM by truedelphi
Hsu made a large contribution to the CLinton Campaign.

When it got reported (candidates ahve to report lage sums) it triggered the memory of some agency (FBI? San Francisco cops?) and they went, "We have been looking for this guy! We want him."

It was announced that the law had not been able to account for Hsu's whereabouts for some period of time - a year - eighteen months, whatever. But apparently, Hsu was involved in paying $ 15,000 for entrance fees so he could attend events at Bill Clinton's charity. So the law was not looking real hard.

On account of the campaign donation, they figure he's around town - they go to one of his S.F. residence's and nab him - and indict him.

Hillary Clinton had returned the check - saying that his money was not wanted.

And around that time, a Colorado judge required that Hsu post $ 5 million dollars for his bail.

I reallhy thought of Hillary as being innocent in all this - you can't help who sends you money.

But now it appears this guy works with BILL! So the innocence of the Clintons in regard to this man is NIL!!
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:19 AM
Response to Reply #49
73. Enron had slick looking "transparent" annual reports too.
Maybe this "charity" is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

But like I was sayin' - time has shown me that rational reasons exist for my skepticism.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:36 PM
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5. The Clintons have REFUSED to turn over the tax records and the White House records.
What ARE the Clintons hiding from Democratic voters?
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:38 PM
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11. Never thought I'd say this about Rethug's use of such tactics against a Democrat, but GOOD . . .
Hillary's been doing it now for far too long without being called on it. As they say, what's good for the goose . . .
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:39 PM
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13. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. I think they call it Karma.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:44 PM
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27. I think Clinton calls it Vetting a candidate.
I wonder if the rule applies to her?
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:45 PM
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29. Wait to you hear her whine about unfair it is to question her integrity.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:40 PM
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15. Hopefully the rnc won't have to bother with
her dirty powermongering ass.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:41 PM
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17. Since 1992, they certainly have
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:42 PM
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23. Tsk, tsk.
What goes around, comes around. Better to find out sooner rather than later.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:42 PM
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24. Better vet her now. Dont want it coming out in the GE
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lmbradford Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:09 AM
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53. HA!
Wouldn't it be funny if there was a HUGE donation from the Bushes?
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:43 PM
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25. And that's why Limbaugh wants Clinton nominated, and Rove & Co. are sandbagging Obama.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:46 PM
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30. It seems like the Clintons would be smart enough not to do anythng stupid while they were preparing
for HRC's presidential run. But then again, I remember what Bill did, so I don't know what is possible with them?
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:59 PM
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46. They know it will be harder to beat Obama than to beat McCain
so they are stalling in the hope that Hillary gets the nomination and then they will release the tax info and the White House records.

This is calculated to be good for Hillary but it is terrible for the Democratic party and our chances in the GE.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #30
47. The very definition of stupid is knowing that the GOP's hounds are after
you, so you start an affair with a very young and indiscreet woman and invite her into the Oval Office.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:20 AM
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58. Hope that stupidity didn't rub off on HRC. But then again, could he be that stupid again.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:48 PM
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31. Any thread in a storm huh
ha ha ha.

If only Ken Star had just o-o-ne more million, he could have got the goods on them. Yup 57 million instead of 56 and he would have nailed them.

Ha ha ha ha hah aha ha.

You and Stephanie should have been on his staff. That would have done it with only 56 and a half million. :rofl:

You're pulling on a short straw.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:51 PM
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38. Maybe they are. Do you know for sure?
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:49 PM
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35. If there is any basis to these allegations
isn't it best to get them out now than later?
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:53 PM
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40. Waxman has been going after the library thing, but getting nowhere
sigh
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:54 PM
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41. The soner she releases them the better.
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:42 AM
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65. Unless they're hiding something... n/t
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:54 PM
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42. I don't think it has anything to do with millions from
an Arab person who may be connected to terrorism. As far as I know.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:57 PM
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44. wink, wink. nod, nod. As far as I know either.
LOL as far as I know is becoming a meme around here. You know what I mean. Wink, wink.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:55 PM
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43. but..but..she has 35 years of experience standing up to the right wing
She'll just pull out the Keating 5 records and show everybody the deal McCain cut to avoid censure.

Then she'll bring up the police records of Ms McCains little felonies.

Then she'll tell us all that McCain's years in prison made his brain go soft. And if he wasn't such a shitty pilot he wouldn't have been a prisoner in the first place.

Actually she won't do any of this. Prepare to :puke: at how wussy she becomes once she has to run against a real repub.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:02 AM
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48. O -- they are wise and sage if they are attacking Barack
But they are Republican hacks if they go after Sister Hillary? Bullshit
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:14 AM
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56. They call her a Republican stratagist I think. I don't know why they have a Republican stratagist
talking about the Democrats on CNN, but thats how they work it there now. I think her name is Stephanie. To me, she is indeed a Republican HACK.

Seriously.


Anderson Cooper/360
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:02 AM
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50. Here Is A Pretty Damning List Put Together By The New Republic
Courtesy of The New Republic, here's a small sampling of what to expect should Clinton go up against McCain. Compare it to Obama's lack of actual wrongdoing with Rezko.

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THE DONOR
Norman Hsu, Hong Kong "apparel executive."


THE GREEN
Hsu bundled more than $850,000 for Hillary's presidential campaign and $260,000 for Clinton's Senate races.


THE SCANDAL
Hsu parlayed his charming, obsequious personality into a spot as one of the top twenty Democratic fund-raisers nationwide. Problem is, he turned out to be a convicted felon, on the lam since 1992 due to a grand theft conviction. Then, this December, Hsu was indicted for running a pyramid scheme that defrauded investors out of at least $20 million and that made $25,000 a year in fraudulent political donations.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR (on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 somewhat sleazy and 10 stupendously so)
8. Hsu missed his initial (September 5) court date for the 1992 grand theft charge, only to be apprehended a day later on a train in Colorado; he was "freaked out," shirtless, shoeless, and holding a suitcase packed with Tiffany jewelry and $7,000 in cash. Now in federal custody, he confessed to running "phony" companies and leaning on investors to make political donations.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS (on a scale of 1 to 10)
7. Extensive Hsu coverage stretched out over several news cycles during Hillary's presidential campaign, and the sordid details of the affair--the pyramid schemes, the links to Asian gangs, the eccentric professional con artist himself--stirred up memories of Clinton fund-raising scandals past. Hillary blamed the fiasco on errors in the donor-screening process.


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THE DONORS
Marc Rich, fugitive American businessman; Denise Rich, songwriter and socialite.


THE GREEN
Denise Rich contributed $70,000 to Hillary's Senate campaign and $450,000 to the Clinton presidential library fund.


THE SCANDAL
Over seventeen years after Marc Rich fled to Switzerland to avoid charges of racketeering, illegal trading, and tax evasion (he owed $48 million), Bill Clinton pardoned Rich during his last moments in the White House. His ex-wife Denise's generous donations and Friend of Bill status gave the pardon a particularly rotten stench.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
7.5. Rich has been accused of a long list of white-collar crimes. The classiest: trading with Iran while the country was still holding U.S. hostages.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
9.5. As Hillary began her career in the Senate, a media frenzy and investigations in both houses of Congress and the Justice Department were launched to see if Denise's contributions bought her ex-husband's pardon. Though the president was never indicted for wrongdoing, the Rich affair is often mentioned as Exhibit A of Clintonian sliminess.


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THE DONOR
Aaron Tonken, former Hollywood fund-raiser, current federal penitentiary inmate in California.


THE GREEN
In 2000 he hosted a fund-raiser that took in more than $1 million for Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign.


THE SCANDAL
Tonken originally drew interest from the FBI for failing to report some donations from the event to the FEC. Although he was never charged for election-law violations, in 2003 he pleaded guilty to stealing from charities, including, according to an ABC News report, the Betty Ford clinic. He is currently serving a five-year sentence for mail and wire fraud.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
9. The self-described con man got his start in Hollywood as Zsa Zsa Gabor's dog keeper. He sold stories about her to tabloids and snuck tourists into her dilapidated, dog feces-ridden mansion while she was out of town. In his memoir, King of Cons, Tonken wrote, "In a land of moral imbeciles, I knew I could be king."


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
4. A fund-raising committee for Hillary Clinton's 2000 campaign had to pay $35,000 in fines to the FEC for underreporting the costs of the gala, even though a federal inquiry failed to find any culpability on the Clintons' part. The financial burden to the Clinton campaign was insignificant--the real harm done was in the image of guilt by association.


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THE DONOR
Peter F. Paul, renaissance man, jack of all trades.


THE GREEN
He co-hosted the 2000 fund-raiser with Tonken.


THE SCANDAL
How did Paul underwrite the gala? According to The Washington Post, by improperly borrowing more than $4 million from Merrill Lynch. Shortly after that was discovered, Paul hopped a plane to Brazil and spent years waging a two-front war: fighting extradition and trying to sue Hillary for underreporting the value of the event. In 2003, Paul was extradited to the U.S., and Clinton agreed to pay a $35,000 fine to the Federal Election Commission.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
9.5. You've gotta give this guy credit for flamboyance. According to The Washington Post, Paul's laundry list of crimes includes a 1970s plot to sell $8.75 million worth of nonexistent coffee beans to Fidel Castro--the plan was to sink an empty cargo ship before it reached Cuba so he could keep the cash. In 1979, he was imprisoned for fraud and cocaine possession, then later violated parole, reportedly fleeing to Canada with a dead man's identity. After his release from prison in the '80s, he served as partner and manager to Fabio.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
4. Hillary offered the same explanation for missing Paul's criminal background as she gave for missing Norman Hsu's: technical errors in the vetting process. It worked--by 2008, most Americans have forgotten about Peter F. Paul.


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THE DONOR
Sant S. Chatwal, founder of Bombay Palace restaurants.


THE GREEN
In 2000, Chatwal hosted a half-million dollar fund-raiser for Clinton in New York. In 2007, he declared his intentions to raise $5 million for Hillary's presidential campaign.


THE SCANDAL
According to The Washington Post, as of September 2007, The IRS was pursuing him for $4 million in back taxes, the State of New York for another $5 million, and the FDIC is suing himin connection with a failed bank venture. The Post wrote, "Yet none of the legal and financial woes--occasionally touched on in American or Indian newspapers or highlighted by political opponents--raised red flags inside Hillary Clinton's fund-raising operation."


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
4. Though Chatwal's legal troubles span several suits and two continents (he's also been charged with bank fraud in India), his alleged crimes lack the color and imagination of, say, a Peter F. Paul.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
1. So far, none. But if any of the lawsuits against him come to a head during election season, the timing would be awful for Clinton.


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THE DONORS
International Profit Associates (IPA), an Illinois-based management consulting and business development company.


THE GREEN
Bill Clinton pocketed $125,000 for addressing IPA workers in December 2001. The Chicago Sun-Times reported that firm employees have forked over nearly $130,000 in contributions to Hillary's Senate campaigns since 2000.


THE SCANDAL
IPA has faced a string of scandals--most notably, a widely reported sexual harassment suit involving 113 former female employees. Two of them told their stories on a 2005 episode of "Oprah Winfrey Show."


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
8.5. The harassment suit included accusations that the CEO offered money to a female employee in exchange for sex and that a sales manager would pin female employees up against the wall and ask if they enjoyed intercourse.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
3. Though never a large-scale national scandal, it doesn't look good that Hillary has, in effect, shrugged off what the lead attorney for the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (the federal agency leading the investigation) called one of the "most egregious case of sex harassment that the Chicago district office has seen." Senator Clinton--unlike other politicians who received campaign donations from IPA employees, such as Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich and Wisconsin Governor Jim Doyle--has opted not to return the contributions.


**


THE REELECTION FUND-RAISING FIASCO

The tangled web of scandals associated with the Clinton-Gore reelection campaign in 1996 led to hearings by a Senate committee led by Fred Thompson. Though Thompson's hearings are widely considered to have been a bust, several unsavory characters came to light.



THE DONOR
Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie, Taiwanese-Arkansan restaurateur-turned-fund-raiser.


THE GREEN
Trie funnelled more than $2.2 million, much of it from foreign corporate donors, to the DNC from 1994-1996 and helped pay $460,000 of the Clintons' legal bills between 1994-1997.


THE SCANDAL
Trie, who knew Clinton from his days as the owner of the Fu Lin restaurant in Little Rock, moved to Washington in 1994 and began donating to the Clintons and the DNC through various shady channels, including through "straw donors," typically poor legal immigrants who stand in for foreign businesspeople.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
7. Trie was notorious for peddling access to President Clinton. Most distressingly, he set up a White House coffee klatch with a Chinese arms dealer.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
7. Trie earned the dubious distinction of being the first Clinton donor indicted during the Justice Department's 1997 campaign finance investigation.


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THE DONOR
John Huang, businessman and Commerce Department official under the Clinton administration from 1993 to 1995.


THE GREEN
He raised $3.4 million for the DNC in 1996. Most of it has since been returned.


THE SCANDAL
In 1996 Huang solicited an illegal donation of $250,000 from a company in South Korea, as well as $425,000 from donors whose U.S. citizenship was an issue of contention. He also co-organized a 1996 fund-raising event at the Hsi Lai Temple in Southern California, where monks and nuns under an oath of poverty mysteriously contributed large sums of money to the DNC. It was later revealed that they were reimbursed for their donations by the church, and the money had to be returned.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
7.5. Thompson's committee suggested darkly that Huang may have been acting as an "agent of influence" for China, though the committee ultimately had scant evidence supporting the plot.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
8. Considerable. Though the money he raised was primarily for the DNC, Huang had remarkable access to the president and the West Wing. The Commerce Department even gave him a top-secret security clearance--with a cursory background check far less thorough than normal procedure--when he was still a private citizen.


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THE DONOR
James Riady, Indonesian banking magnate.


THE GREEN
Riady and his business associates gave more than $700,000 to the Democratic Party between 1991 and 1997. They also paid $100,000 to Clinton friend Webster L. Hubbell, who resigned from his job as associate attorney general after being charged with tax evasion and mail fraud.


THE SCANDAL
Riady, a regular visitor to the Clinton White House, was busted by the Justice Department in 2001 for funneling foreign corporate money into Clinton's 1992 election effort. (He had to pay out $8.6 million to the DOJ--the largest campaign finance settlement in history.) In 1997, the Thompson-led committee accused Riady of maintaining "a long-term relationship with a Chinese intelligence agency."


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
7. Riady was a big fund-raiser for Bill from his Arkansas days, and repeatedly pressed Clinton on sensitive foreign policy issues. Riady was also closely linked to a number of other scandals, including the improper appointment of John Huang (a former manager at Riady's company) and the Hsi Lai Temple fund-raiser (which was organized by Huang).


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
6. In 1997, pre-cigar, William Safire called the Riady affair "the low point of the Clinton Presidency." Still, his name is all but forgotten today.


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THE DONOR
Johnny Chung, a Taiwan-born, California-based businessman.


THE GREEN
He gave $366,000 in personal and corporate donations between 1994 and 1996. All the money was returned by the DNC.


THE SCANDAL
Chung's contributions to the Democratic Party earned him significant access to the Clinton administration: He made at least 49 visits to the White House between 1994 and 1996. He arranged for five of his Chinese business clients to attend a taping of one of President Clinton's weekly radio addresses after making a $50,000 donation to the DNC. Furthermore, Chung claimed that part of his donated funds came from sources connected to the Chinese government. (The Chinese government emphatically denies the allegations.)


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
7. Ick! One radioactively slimy Chung quote: "The White House is like a subway: You have to put in coins to open gates."


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
7. Chung was one of the most recognizable--and damning-- figures in the campaign finance controversy; 49 White House visits will have that effect.



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THE DONOR
Roger Tamraz, a Lebanese-American businessman.


THE GREEN
Tamraz and his company donated $300,000 to the Democratic Party in 1995 and 1996.


THE SCANDAL
In 1996, Tamraz apparently sought to leverage his donations into a face-to-face meeting with President Clinton over the objections of a National Security Council staff member. Members of the Democratic National Committee, the CIA, and the Clinton administration were all alleged to have gone to bat on Tamraz's behalf to allow him access to the White House. Tamraz then used the meeting to propose a $2.5-billion oil pipeline through Central Asia, a proposal that was then passed on to officials in the Energy Department. (Nothing ever came of it.) He was later a key witness at the Thompson committee hearings.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
7. Know when your reputation could use a boost? When The New York Times writes sentences about you like this: "Indeed, in describing Mr. Tamraz in testimony on Wednesday and again today, the adjective used most often by lawmakers was 'shady.'" (It didn't help that when Joe Lieberman asked Tamraz at the Senate hearing if he thought he got his "money's worth" for his $300,000 donation, Tamraz replied "I think next time I'll give $600,000.") Also, at the time of his meeting with Clinton, Tamraz was wanted by Interpol for allegedly embezzling hundreds of millions of dollars from a Beirut bank. In a separate case before that, the Times reported, a French court had ordered him to pay $56 million for his role in the collapse of a French bank.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
3.5. Not so bad in the context of the larger scandals. But Tamraz's name continues to surface from time to time, most recently on the best-seller list and the movie marquee. The saga of a man (modeled after Tamraz) using cash to gain access and influence in the White House appeared in former CIA agent Robert Baer's book See No Evil, which served as the inspiration for Syriana.




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HONORABLE MENTIONS

So many donors, so little time. Here, other donors who have sullied the Clintons' reputation over the years.

Jeffrey Epstein: In 2002, the wealthy money-manager and Friend of Bill flew the former president in his private jet to Africa to discuss AIDS policy. He was recently indicted on charges of soliciting prostitution from underage girls. The Smoking Gun has the gruesome details. (Warning: Link is disgusting.)

John K.H. Lee: The South Korean businessman scored a meeting with President Clinton in 1996 after making a $250,000 donation to the DNC. Under U.S. federal election law, foreign companies and individuals are not permitted to make donations, but Lee tried to skirt the restriction by donating via a U.S. subsidiary of his company, which, problematically, didn't really exist. When it was discovered in September 1996 that the money had originated from Lee's South Korea-based parent company, the DNC returned the contribution.

Pauline Kanchanalak: Kanchanalak, a business executive and Democratic fund-raiser who met frequently with President Clinton, was sentenced to six months of house arrest in 1996 for funneling $690,000 of foreign contributions to the DNC. She claimed the money came from her in-laws.

Ng Lap Seng: The businessman and owner of Macau's Fortuna Hotel (per The Washington Post, "known as much for its prostitutes working the lobby as for its floor show of whip-wielding, leather-clad dancers upstairs") wired more than one million dollars to convicted Clinton donor Charlie Trie between 1994 and 1996 through a company the two co-owned--nearly a quarter of that money ended up in the DNC's hands. Ng attended DNC events and met with the Clintons at the White House.

Abdul Rehman Jinnah: According to the Los Angeles Times, this Pakistani immigrant raised more than $45,000 for Hillary Clinton's HillPac, allegedly reimbursing employees who contributed to Democratic causes, including Clinton's political action committee, which is illegal. He fled to Pakistan after a grand jury indicted him for violations of election law in 2006, and was placed on the FBI "featured fugitives" list. He returned to the U.S. last year.

Ron Burkle: He's never been accused of any crimes, but Ron Burkle lies at the center of any innuendo about Bill Clinton's post-presidential life. A much-commented-upon May 2006 New York Times article stated, "Mr. Clinton is rarely without company in public, yet the company he keeps rarely includes his wife. Nights out find him zipping around Los Angeles with his bachelor buddy, Ronald W. Burkle." The zippy Burkle, friends with Bill since 1992, often flies the former president in his private Boeing 575, described by Clinton as "Ron Air" and "Air Force Two." Burkle, also reportedly a "longtime friend" of Michael Jackson, has thrown lavish fund-raisers for Hillary at Green Acres, his Hollywood estate. Rumors abound about the supermarket billionaire's private life. "Page Six" covered Bill's bachelor buddy unfavorably, writing that he used the jet to entertain young models--and that he was dating Gisele Bundchen. Burkle then made headlines by secretly recording an alleged extortion attempt by a reporter for the gossip column. He has also been accused of using his influence as a Democratic donor to speed a law through the California legislature that would have kept the records of his messy divorce proceedings sealed.

Bill Clinton has been a senior advisor to Burkle's Yucaipa Cos. since early 2002. Clinton is only now trying to untangle himself from the company, a move that will simultaneously free him from questions about Yucaipa's ties to Dubai, while also netting a reported $20 million payday. One particularly shady deal Clinton's scheduler helped Yucaipa arrange was its investment in Catholic Church properties at the urging of a young Italian businessman named Raffaello Follieri. As The Wall Street Journal reported last fall, in 2005, Follieri intimated to Clinton aide Douglas Band that Yucaipa could make a killing on the deal--and that his ties to the Vatican would smooth the transaction. Yucaipa plowed as much as $100 million into the venture, and Band was paid a $400,000 "finder's fee" by Follieri. The Italian then spent Yucaipa's cash on an apartment in New York, private jets, and gifts for himself and his girlfriend, The Devil Wears Prada star Anne Hathaway. Burkle is currently suing Follieri for misappropriating at least $1.3 million.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=076fd56f-4aca-4683-a9d1-3c55d748946e&k=60222
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:09 AM
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54. Yeah, I've seen that list before.
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:23 AM
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59. OOPS !!!
Uh, Clinton supporters, me thinks you should reconsider whether this is best for our Party!! (hope it's not TOO LATE )
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:38 AM
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64. It's a Shame That The Contest Has to Be Reduced To These Matters
I would prefer that it remain a contest of ideas, but the hypocrisy is beyond glaring and has gone unanswered for so long.
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:24 AM
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60. Amadenajad and Saddam didn't donate to his library
as far as I know.
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JorgeTheGood Donating Member (736 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:45 AM
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67. I doubt it ...
messing with someone's tax return without express permission or a court order would be suicide to the RNC, both legally and morally. And if they are that stupid, they certainly wouldn't be advertising it.



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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:50 AM
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68. Yawn,,,, RW bullshit..........pin Hillary to Bill.....
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LadyVT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:05 AM
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70. over 20 years of the Clintons' tax returns are in the public domain.
Their tax returns since they left the White House will be made available on or around April 15, as they are EVERY year.

This information will be in addition to 15 years of uninterrupted public financial disclosure reports.

Instead of making false attacks, we urge Senator Obama to release all relevant financial and other information related to indicted political fixer Tony Rezko.
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WheresMyVoice Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:18 AM
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72. Hill has more scandals than any in the GOP. Makes Tom DeLay look like kid stuff
Luckily Obama is a gentleman
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:09 PM
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76. But the media are going to let those scandals remain under the rug, so to speak, until AFTER she is
crowned as the Dem's nominee.

It's important that she get the nod over Obama. The media knows it would be harder to stop him.
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