Clinton's Mississippi comment blasted

[BOSSHOG]

BUT I THINK THIS IS MORE OF A REFLECTION ON THOSE DOING THE BLASTING THEN ON CLINTON.

Back in October Clinton said "I was shocked when I learned that Iowa and Mississippi have never elected a woman Governor, Senator, or member of congress." She went on to make disparaging comparisons between the two states. Not smart politics but a truthful observation.

http://www.sunherald.com/278/story/414671.html

So I guess those doing the blasting would rather maintain the status quo.

Both Clintons will be in Mississippi this week. The state's primary is next tuesday.

[babylonsister]

1. Have fun next week, BOSS. Stand by for lots of junk mail and

robocalls! :hi:

[TwilightGardener]

2. She compared Iowa and Mississippi, and basically said:

I can't believe Iowa is as shitty as Mississippi! Wow, way to take a shit on a state that you never thought you'd have to contest during the primaries! :rofl:

[BOSSHOG]

4. She could also have said

that she opposes the Ku Klux Klan and would have been "blasted" in Mississippi for that. On the no woman elected issue, she is right.

[TwilightGardener]

9. Um, no. She said, I can't believe how shitty MS is, why is Iowa taking after

such a shithole? That's the essence of her remarks. She'll pay for it. It has nothing to do with women, and everything to do with her attitude toward MS.

[BOSSHOG]

11. Please share with me

how many women governors, senators or congresswomen have been elected from Mississippi? Her remarks were politically wrong but I know first hand that Mississippi can certainly be called shitty relative to many issues.

[redqueen]

12. You're right of course...

what she says has merit... but it's not so much what you say as the way that you say it, don't you think?

[BOSSHOG]

25. Its a sad dynamic

We beat up politicians for not being honest and then we beat them up for being honest. It was the wrong choice of words in a political context but she was honest. I'm a Mississippi resident. This episode is not offensive to me at all. My Governor and two senators and some of the local city leaders (all republican) offend me on a daily basis.

[redqueen]

47. What's sad is it's two symptoms of the same cause.

If people were more educated, and learned to think critically, it'd be a non-starter. Similarly, if people were more educated, and learned to think like non-knuckledraggers, there wouldn't have been any reason for her comment to begin with.

[BOSSHOG]

50. Education is not a priority in Mississippi

The really important things like collection plate contents would dry up if folks here got educated and, perish the thought, critical thinking flourished.

[redqueen]

51. It's not a priority anywhere in this country.

"Education" in this country means training for a job and to stop questioning authority. Critial thinking? That has to come from parents.

[BOSSHOG]

57. We have no

children and I went to High School in the late 60's and early 70's and do recall a great emphasis on critical thought back then, have no idea what the situation is now. My parents (god rest em) were apolitical and not very smart (not a criticism, just the facts.) I didn't get much "training" at home. Treated more like a farm hand then a son.

[redqueen]

59. I only got exposure to critical thinking in my 'talented and gifted'

classes. I'm sure that some teachers do share this kind of thing with their students... but I have to wonder if it's in any curricula anywhere. The fact that Faux news is so popular is sort of evidence that it's not... or that kind of crap wouldn't sell.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

63. this is her SC strategy for Miss, she expects to lose anyway

she is just trying to call out women voters - see you are ignorant if you
don't vote for me.

Same Shit done in SC, they knew they would lose it, so they insulted the voters there.

This is supposed to help them in states like PA.

[redqueen]

64. Well here's hoping it backfires in a big, big way. (nt)

[Bake]

52. The priorities here seem to be rewarding the Gov's friends and relatives

with juicy state contracts. Especially for rebuilding the coast.

Sigh.

Bake

[redqueen]

60. GOP cronyism in action.

Praise the lord and pass the buck.

[TwilightGardener]

14. She said, to paraphrase, I'm surprised that Iowa is ranked with

Mississippi. I expected better of Iowa.

[joeybee12]

18. and please share with use where she uses the word shitty...n/t

[TwilightGardener]

20. How about "sucky"? Or "armpit of America"? Because that's what she was thinking.

[BOSSHOG]

28. I can't read her mind

but do you not agree with her? I live in Mississippi, there's plenty of sucky down here. But the real estate prices were very attractive when we moved here and we aren't far from NOLA so I think we'll stay for awhile.

We beat politicians up when they are not honest then we beat them up when they are honest.

[TwilightGardener]

33. I lived in MS--in Gulfport. Wasn't my favorite place to live, I'll admit.

I think it's asinine and politically stupid for a Presidential candidate to disparage a state that you need to win.

[Maddy McCall]

39. Some women in Mississippi are glad to see a spotlight being shone on the status of women here.

I am one. Many of my coleagues agree with her.

Many studies show that the women in Mississippi have the lowest status of any of the 50 states.

It needs to be said...if you don't live here, you can't even begin to imagine what it's like.

[rodeodance]

42. and Hillary is brave--taking on the old boys network down there

[Bake]

54. Amen, Maddy! And a-woman too!

I had no idea what itt was like before I moved here. You have to be here for a while to really understand it!

Bake

[BOSSHOG]

40. I agree

that it was "politically stupid" but it was the truth.

[Maddy McCall]

31. LOL.

But don't take our word for it...we only live here.

:rofl:

[karynnj]

56. I think what they are objecting to is not the factual part

but that she implies that Iowa is better than that, and well .... not like Mississippi. It does have an elitist feel and it was pandering to Iowa people because that was where she was.

[BOSSHOG]

58. You are right

She was pandering indeed but I can't fault her for being honest on this issue when we spend so much time beating up politicians for not being honest.

[karynnj]

61. I agree with you there - this was an instance where her comment was honest

Though I doubt she saw that honesty coming with any political risk - no one ever suggested that Mississippi would get its day in the primary sun back in Iowa.

Have fun seeing the candidates and any of the surrogates brought in. Will she send the former President or Chelsea? Will Michelle Obama be there? Are there any you hope to see?

[BOSSHOG]

65. You are absolutely right again

Two months ago I was posting on this site how irrelevant and impotent our primary was. Bill and Hill will both be in state this week, not sure of Chelsea. And have not heard of any potential Obama sightings. The Clintons will be upstate, probably no one will come down this way near the coast. I grew up in Arkansas, worked for a TV station way back when and got to interview both Clinton's a number of times. Hey I'm glad our primary is viable because I like to vote.

[karynnj]

66. The view over time that you have had on the Clintons

must be extraordinary. The rest of us from a greater distance have seen them over 15 plus years - and the way they seem has changed enormously over that interval - but people like you had a front row seat into many years before that.

Anyway enjoy your primary and watch out for flying sinks.

[BOSSHOG]

67. I must say

"Governor" Clinton was a charmer. Certainly a guy I would love to have had a beer with. I interviewed alot of folks in my journalistic career and he was the only person I had to remind myself I was a reporter and he's a politician so be candid and objective.

[catgirl]

17. Her comments are clearly a bash on Mississippi

And she's supposed to be a diplomat?

[Maddy McCall]

Did you know that study after study has determined that women in Mississippi...

have the lowest status of any of the 50 states?

She's spot on. I'm glad she said it.

[Maddy McCall]

30. That's not what she said.

What she said about Mississippi and the status of women here is spot on.

She's being welcomed into the state with open arms by our Democratic Party. So the people that matter don't hold it against her.

Obama was invited to attend the same dinner--which is THE event of the year for our state Democratic party. He declined.

[TwilightGardener]

37. LOL! That's what she meant to say.

[rodeodance]

49. Read her coment in the OP---you make yourself look foolish with your comment just now.

[John Q. Citizen]

53. Boss, how many women run for office? Are there a lot from both parties that don't win?

[BOSSHOG]

62. The most prominent

female office holder in recent years was Lieutenant Governor Amy Tuck who won office as a democrat and then switched parties. She's gone now because of term limits. Our county clerk is a very competent female (D) who is unmercifully raked over the coals by the repubs every election for no apparent reason. Very few run let alone win.

[Kittycat]

71. Or she could have been diplomatic and kept her mouth shut.

There's a thought? The same thought crosses my mind every time * opens his ass, I mean mouth.

[workinclasszero]

36. I can't believe Iowa is as shitty as Mississippi!

I'm Hillary Clinton, and I approved this message.:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[joeybee12]

3. Yeah, don't speak the truth...

...seriously, being candid is political death.

How was Nawlins???

[BOSSHOG]

6. You are right about being candid

Had a great time my friend and the weather was outstanding. Behaved myself and had a wonderful platter of Shrimp. Also bought my wife a nice necklace and earrings (cheap) so I was a hero when she got home. Probably she and I will go back next weekend to peruse a very nice arts and crafts festival.

[joeybee12]

7. Sounds like fun...

...I gotta get back down there soon!

[redqueen]

5. That's silly. Of course they don't. They're just playing the comment up

for political advantage.

Politics 101: - if your opponent makes unfortunate-sounding comment, you blast it.

[BOSSHOG]

8. I'm not quite sure

that applies here. In Mississippi women belong in the kitchen and the bedroom and at Wal-Mart, not in the statehouse. I actually believe there is a degree of honesty in their being "upset."

[redqueen]

10. There are troglodytes all over... and most of them are in the other party.

This article says, "Sen. Barack Obama's supporters in Mississippi took Sen. Hillary Clinton to task Wednesday over comments she made about the Magnolia State while on the campaign trail last year."

Do you think it is Sen. Barak Obama's supporters who prefer women barefoot & pregnant?

[BeyondGeography]

13. The Senator from New York was "shocked that Iowa would be ranked with Mississippi in anything"

That should play real well down there.

[TacticalPeek]

15. You'd think DUers would be more careful about taking Trent Lott's side in an argument.

Especially when they're standing up for keeping wimmens down.


:shrug:

Time to run pick up our tickets to th Jefferson Jackson Hamer Dinner tonight.

:)

[redqueen]

19. "standing up for keeping wimmens down"

Nobody's doing that.

[thewiseguy]

16. Why is she even bothering to go there after making those comments?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

22. What you should be asking is why is Mississippi letting her come there after making those comments?

[printpolitico]

23. lock up the state

And they would stop her how? Democracy, freedom of speech, America!!!!

She has a point by the way. The bigger question is why does MS always go republican. oops, I guess they should not allow me into the state.

[BOSSHOG]

24. I'm a Mississippi resident

I'm not offended by this episode.

[Maddy McCall]

27. I'm a woman in Mississippi. Hillary was right about the good ol' boy system...

in Mississippi, which is a disgrace to all of us here, men and women.

People think that Louisiana has the most corrupt state political system in the nation....they just haven't taken as close a look at Mississippi's.

[printpolitico]

44. MS rock-roll on hill

Let's take this state ladies. Former pres in Tupelo we need to make this a super event. Even the AA's at my company are behind HRC. We can change this good ole boy system.

[rodeodance]

48. Sen. Clinton is not afraid to take on the old boys network in Mississippi.

[rodeodance]

41. "It is very hard for a woman to be elected in Mississippi."

But former Democratic state Sen. Gloria Williamson, who is campaigning for Clinton in Mississippi, said Wednesday she believes Clinton didn't mean anything derogatory. Williamson, who is from Neshoba County, said it is hard for a woman to get elected in the South, and Clinton, a former Arkansas first lady, is aware of that.

"I do not think that Hillary Clinton would ever try to embarrass Mississippi in any way," Williamson said. "It is very hard for a woman to be elected in Mississippi."

[catgirl]

21. K & R

[Maddy McCall]

26. Lowlife Ray Mabus has the audacity to appear on TV blasting her for her comments about...

the status of women in Mississippi....

When this bastard taped his wife's counseling session with her priest and used it against her in divorce court.

Mabus is utter slime.

[BOSSHOG]

34. Hi Maddy

You keep kicking some butt. Hey Louisiana will soon be the most honest and cleanest state politically in the whole country. Their new governor is the most honest and competent human ever to walk on earth and he's gonna make everything alright.

[rodeodance]

35. OMG!! how horrible---!!

[merh]

72. Seriously Maddy

do you approve of Mrs. Mabus' comments

A transcript of the recording of the 1998 meeting sets out Ms. Hines's acknowledgment of an affair and her threat to turn their children against Mr. Mabus.

''I hate you,'' she said to her husband. ''I hate you with my very soul. I will hate you till the day I die. And I will tell my children. I will tell my children.''

In the divorce proceedings that followed, a psychiatrist hired by Mr. Mabus referred repeatedly to this statement in recommending that Mr. Mabus be granted legal custody of their two daughters. The court accepted the recommendation, though the former couple have alternate custody of the girls, in six-month intervals.

How much character assassination is HRC's nomination worth?

[rodeodance]

29. "It is very hard for a woman to be elected in Mississippi."

He did acknowledge the state has some room for improvement in getting women in leadership roles, but he said he believes Clinton's comments hamper that.

.......


But former Democratic state Sen. Gloria Williamson, who is campaigning for Clinton in Mississippi, said Wednesday she believes Clinton didn't mean anything derogatory. Williamson, who is from Neshoba County, said it is hard for a woman to get elected in the South, and Clinton, a former Arkansas first lady, is aware of that.

"I do not think that Hillary Clinton would ever try to embarrass Mississippi in any way," Williamson said. "It is very hard for a woman to be elected in Mississippi."

[rodeodance]

32. you are right --he even admits it is difficult for women to rise up in political positions in Miss.

[Justitia]

38. Wait a minute, I thought MS "didn't count"? It was one of those crappy little red states? On to PA

and all that?

I smell flop sweat.

[rodeodance]

46. Try staying focused on the conversation here--you might learn something--if you try!

[printpolitico]

43. MS Matters

presentation and interpretation are what that's all about. She's a Southern Lady who knows how the south has tracked.

a lot of people think MS matters. Legal author John Grisham and his wife will return to their old stomping grounds to campaign for HRC.
The boots are on the ground and I'm starting to hear the rumble of HRC momentum

[BOSSHOG]

45. There are 33 delegates available and obviously everyone counts.

[Maddy McCall]

55. Glad to hear that about Grisham!

Wish he'd run for Governor...you know he almost did in 2004. :(

[xmas74]

69. I heard that!

Do you think he'll ever consider it again?

[Vinca]

68. It doesn't really matter what she said . . . does it?

Mississippi won't count anyway.

[powergirl]

70. Clinton had to apolgize to Trent Lott: Mississippi is of a lower/lesser "quality" than Iowa

This does not win the hearts and minds of voters. She has made it clear that she does not consider the "little" states worthy of her time. She's acting like Leona Helmsley. Which surprises me after being the First Lady of ARKANSAS.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20 ...

Lott Waits for Clinton's Apology and Gets One

By Mary Ann Akers And Paul Kane
Thursday, October 25, 2007; Page A23

It's a good thing she apologized, because Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) was fixin' to give Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) a piece of his mind.

Lott was on the cusp of issuing a serious condemnation of the Democratic presidential front-runner for insulting the Magnolia State this week when his phone rang.

"To her credit, she called me and apologized," Lott told On the Hill.

Clinton chose wisely to make the quick apology after insulting Mississippians with a comment she made in an interview with Iowa's most important political reporter, the Des Moines Register's David Yepsen. Clinton was quoted expressing complete "shock" at learning that Iowa and Mississippi were the only states that have never elected a female governor or a female member of either chamber of Congress.

"How can Iowa be ranked with Mississippi?" she asked, implying the Hawkeye State is above such distinction. "That's not the quality. That's not the communitarianism, that's not the openness I see in Iowa."

Lott was furious when aides notified him of the put-down. He said he wanted to sound off right away but instead paused and waited to read the entire context of her remarks, something he said he has learned to do the hard way because of his own various guffaw-inducing statements over the years. (Those include not just his praise of the 1948 Dixiecrat presidential candidate Strom Thurmond, but also his comments after Clinton won her Senate race in 2000 that "maybe lightning will strike" her and she would die before getting sworn into the chamber.) "I understand that we sometimes say what we don't always mean to say," Lott said.

Still, he is a little disturbed that Clinton views Mississippi as politically sexist. He noted that the last two lieutenant governors have been women and that the first female jurist was recently appointed to the state's U.S. District Court.

Plus, Lott added, who is Clinton to talk? "Having lived in Arkansas, which is something of a whipping boy, too, she knows better than that," Lott said.