*******Breaking: Senator Clinton not Obama told Canada not to worry about NAFTA*********

[Tropics_Dude83]

Tangled Friggin' Web
Seems the NAFTAgate leak started with -- surprise, surprise -- the Chief of Staff to Canada's conservative PM Stephen Harper. Only the first hint wasn't about stuff the Canadians had heard from the Obama camp. It was about reassurances the Canadians got from the Clinton campaign. According to a reporter who heard the original conversation, Brodie said "someone from (Hillary) Clinton's campaign is telling the embassy to take it with a grain of salt. . . That someone called us and told us not to worry."

Only somehow this evolved into a story about the Obama campaign giving such reassurances.

The Globe and Mail has the latest details.

Key quote:

"He said someone from (Hillary) Clinton's campaign is telling the embassy to take it with a grain of salt. . . That someone called us and told us not to worry."

Government officials did not deny the conversation took place.

Link:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080305.wharpleak0305/BNStory/National/home

But yet her slimeball sleazy campaign turns this on her head and says Obama is the one that said the NAFTA remark, not her.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

1. I'd like to see "Shame on you Hillary Clinton!" moment come out of this. nt

[Tellurian]

42. The spin in this story IS A LIE!

We NEVER Report un-sourced material as TRUE.. There needs to be a name attached to the story! Some from the "Clinton Campaign"
could actually be someone from the Obama Campaign..

This whole story is BOGUS.. Just like you are for posting it!

Obama's campaign will get dirtier from here on in... The POlitics of HOPE are OUT the Window.. thus crushing his "new clean" politics as just so much hyperbole based on empty rhetoric!

[Yes We Did]

53. prove it's false. n/t

[SIMPLYB1980]

72. Guilty till proven Innocent huh?

[TwilightGardener]

80. Obama was guilty until proven innocent. Didn't stop Hillary from running with it.

[SIMPLYB1980]

89. Prove to me that she has lied. I doubt you can.

[TwilightGardener]

93. She didn't have the facts when she went after Obama--lie number one.

Her campaign told the Canadians to take NAFTA with a grain of salt--and then denied it. That needs to be investigated further, but it comes from a high-level source, so it's lie number two until proven otherwise.

[niceypoo]

174. She quoted a story from the associated press

That is lying?

[papau]

205. besides this thread is a lie - the Canadian government does not say Hillary did anything-an un-named

"source" says everyone heard it but we do not know what they heard or the name of anyone saying they heard anything.

Could a RW reporter being trying to help the GOP defeat Hillary by lying and spinning to get the weaker Obama elected?

KO took this story and ran with it as if it was true - but then KO has been biased for Obama for a long time and his telling this lie just fits with his past actions. Indeed he also could not name the source of the story tonight - the "who heard it" - but that did not stop him.

here is the Globe's write up:

"He said someone from (Hillary) Clinton's campaign is telling the embassy to take it with a grain of salt. . . That someone called us and told us not to worry."

Government officials did not deny the conversation took place.

They said that Mr. Brodie sought to allay concerns about the impact of Mr. Obama and Ms. Clinton's assertion that they would re-negotiate NAFTA if elected. But they did say that Mr. Brodie had no recollection of discussing any specific candidate — either Ms. Clinton or Mr. Obama."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080305.wharpleak0305/BNStory/National/home

[youngharry]

213. NAFTA

Bullshit.
Keith O just announced the evidence was very clear. The NAFT waffle came from Hillary's camp, not Obama as falsely charged by Hillary. I have to believe she is as big a liar as George W. Bush. Her game plan is very obvious:

She doesn't want Obama to win as she will be too old in 2016 to be President.
Therefore if McCain wins in 2008, she can run again in 4 years.

WAKE-UP HILLARY SUPPORTERS. SHE DOESN'T WANT THE DEMS TO TAKE THE WH IN 2008, IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE HER.

NO ONE SHOULD EVER VOTE FOR THIS CONTEMPTUOUS WOMAN WHO CARES NOTHING FOR THIS COUNTRY, ONLY HER OWN POWER. SHE PROVES IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

[George II]

228. I agree with you, don't say "b*******" to me!

This is disgusting behavior - not only is she looking sleazy, but she's undermining everything her husband did as President.

[Enthusiast]

250. YoungHarry, I agree with you! nt

[BearSquirrel2]

260. Why would the GOP try to defeat Hillary at this point ???

Could a RW reporter being trying to help the GOP defeat Hillary by lying and spinning to get the weaker Obama elected?

You guys are too much. Rush Limbaugh, Anne Coulter et al are telling everyone to cross party lines and vote for Hillary. Why can't you folks just acknowledge this? The Hillary camp is a TRAIN WRECK waiting to happen!!!

You folk KNOW you cannot win a plurality of delegates. You know your delegates are defecting. Hillary's ONLY purpose at this point is to deny Obama a majority and force a brokered convention!!! I've had it with Hillary. I've had it with the Clinton trade team. I want something new.

Please drop your Hillary support. This women will rip apart the Democratic party for her own ambition.

[joeybee12]

272. Yeah she did...an actual memo and Obama had to admit his

advisor talked with the Canadian government...this is such pathetic tripe...but SOP for Obama and his kool-aid drinkers.

[roguevalley]

137. since the canadian government is investigating this, hang on. truth

will out. if she is guilty, then what?

[Tellurian]

140. The Truth came out before the 3 state Primary...Learn to deal with disappointment!

[roguevalley]

145. deal with disappointment? There may have been a crime committed

under Canadian law. That matters to me even though it appears to be less so among Americans these days. Truth matters. Fuck disappointment. I'm for Edwards or Gore. Whoever did this deserves to swing. Either side.

[txaslftist]

148. Really? "learn to deal with disappointment"...

We're democrats. We've been learning nothing else for 8 years.

Besides, it looks like the primaries were a wash. Hil lost Texas, won Ohio ....


The net result was things go on as they went on before.

[industry_]

175. It was a 4-state primary

...or did Vermont not count?

[Tellurian]

180. Vermont didn't count for Hillary..

is what I meant.. She won 3 states in the primary..

[youngharry]

219. Hillary Primaries

NO. YOU'RE WRONG! Hillary won two. Ohio and RI. Obama took VERMONT and gained 3 delegates over Hillary in Texas.
Get UP TO DATE and your facts right.

[skyounkin]

214. Her

3 wins to how many for Obama?? Yeah, we are the ones who have a problem with disappointment.

:eyes:

[George II]

223. No, she's SIXTY, not "44"

[musicblind]

247. No

It is in reference to a website that was set up to support her to become the 44th president.

Do some research before taking a slash at someone's sig line.

[Bragi]

146. The Canadian Neocon Govt is *Not* Investigating the initial leak

The Harper neocons are investigating the leak of the memo (about Obama) not the prior leak (about Clinton) that came from the PM's chief-of-staff.

From the same article above:

Although Mr. Harper has for days brushed aside allegations that his government interfered in the U.S. presidential campaign, yesterday he promised to "get to the bottom" of the matter and said laws may have been broken...

"We will make sure that every legal and every investigative technique necessary is undertaken to find out who exactly is behind this."

But opposition politicians accused Mr. Harper of hiding behind artful denials — ignoring the verbal leak, while denying that the diplomatic memo came from his top aide.

However, Mr. Harper did not appear to be distinguishing between the two leaks yesterday.

[Baby Snooks]

150. Her whole life is a lie

Get over it. Married to that sleazeball and calling it a marriage?

All either of them do is lie. Often by twisting the lie to make it appear it's the truth.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman." No, but you had her perform sexual acts on you and you performed sexual acts on her with your cigar. Really too much. Both of them. Along with the people who support them. Gloria Steinhem in my opinion has lost her mind finally.

[SIMPLYB1980]

153. LMAO!

[Baby Snooks]

157. Well it's true...

And thank god there wasn't a little accident like Monica not washing her hands and, well, you know, getting a little itch. Those little spermatozoa can and will literally climb mountains to get to that old egg! If she'd become pregnant, he would have claimed the cigar was the father.

[SIMPLYB1980]

158. Lay off the Oxy Rush.

[Baby Snooks]

161. Oh, please...

Either you can't take a joke or you get off to cigars. Which is it?

[BearSquirrel2]

261. Yes it's the OxyContin endorsing Hillary ...

Yes it's the OxyContin endorsing Hillary's campaign for the Democrats. Rush doesn't use reverse psychology on his zombies. Zombies can't think.

[enough already]

156. Her lips moved n/t

[dchill]

163. Hertz Donut. n/t

[Enthusiast]

249. Yes! nt

[rocktivity]

90. More to the point, prove that Obama's behind it.

I think it's the Rethugs myself. Who else would want to take out BOTH Dem candidates on this?

:think:
rocknation

[bdamomma]

127. yes, indeed, it is all about them getting McSame in the WH.

and smearing both of our candidates, I wouldn't put it past these thugs (repigs/Rove) to do something like that.

[Rebel101]

186. This Is Another One of Those Smear Hillary Campaigns

You cannot dispute the memo that came out supporting the original Obama goof.

A Vote For Hillary Is A Vote for Change. We need a woman in the White House, not another man!:patriot:

[knight_of_the_star]

194. That's illogical

You can't disprove a negative.

[BearSquirrel2]

262. Yes you can ...

"Disproving" a negative is proving it's negation (the positive). You can also prove negatives statements by contradiction. I freely admit in the real world that it's harder than in mathematics.

[knight_of_the_star]

275. No it is flat-out illogical

By common consensus of the rules of logic you CANNOT disprove a negative, it is illogical.

[better tomorrow]

198. proof

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080305.wharpleak0305/BNStory/National/home

[mrbluto]

229. Is that the test now? Pulling pages from Rove's playbook?

Prove you're not lying at least once in every post you make.

Sound like a doable task?

I'm not saying anything in this post about the allegations regarding Hillary.

What I am saying is that despicable circular logic like yours should have no place in the democratic party.

Quit being a divisive twerp.

[ExPatLeftist]

259. I have no stake in this argument...

But want to point out some logic to you. You cannot prove something false. Asking someone to do so just shows your ignorance of logic.

The burden of proof always rests on the claimant. Otherwise you could make any statement you want and simply say, "prove me wrong".

Example: A giant Cosmic Muffin created the universe, the stars, the planets, and man, and controls our every action. Prove me wrong.



You can't. Does that make the Cosmic Muffin real?

Demanding dis-proof is a logical fallacy. And I see far too many people use them as "proof" on these boards every day.

[Shoedogg]

267. That's not so much how we do it. n/t

[aquart]

103. Notice they hysteria here? The recommends?

There is nothing rational about Obama support. Don't even try to make sense of it. They NEED to believe lies or they have to admit they're fools.

[JackORoses]

107. are you really questioning others rationality?

You are the one desperately supporting a Candidate who cannot catch up in Pledged Delegates no matter what she does.
She has lost. But you still cry "MI and FL...Superdelegates...Poached Pledged Delegates!"

Trying to convince the World that a loser is a winner is the definition of irrationality.

[Tellurian]

142. I don't know of ONE rational Obama supporter..

[JAbuchan08]

160. I don't know of a single rational Hillary support

you can't back up Hillary on everything she's done and said and maintain the veneer of rationality. Sure it's not rational to hate her for being Clinton's wife, but it sure isn't rational take Republican hate so seriously that you will defend ANYTHING and EVERYTHING the Clintons do because the Republicans are irrational.
Where's the sense in that.

When Clinton cheated on Hillary with an intern and lied about it that was WRONG. It doesn't matter that it was entrapment, it doesn't matter that the Republicans impeached him for it. It was still sleazy and wrong and spoke poorly of his character.

When derregulated the telecomm and energy industries that was WRONG. It doesn't matter that he helped facilitate the dot.com bubble it was still wrong to open the doors to greed.

Just because the Republicans were MORE wrong about Iraq MORE consistently it doesn't follow that Clinton was right.

In other words, just because the Republicans are always wrong it does not follow that the Clintons were always right and good and true, and we are certainly finding that out today - with Hillary posing the same exact attacks against Michelle Obama that were used against her (Jocelyn Elders springs to mind) simply for speaking her mind.

Clinton has floated the idea that Obama could be her running mate. I'm not sure that would be enough to get me to vote for her. I've been very hesitant in stating outright that I will not vote for her under any circumstances, but everyday she pushes me closer to that column.

[Tellurian]

182. Your argument is weak and lame.. as usual..

and you fit the profile of the typical Obama supporter..

[JAbuchan08]

217. Two lines in answer

not a lot of argument available to defend your candidatel

[Tellurian]

257. not alot, just enough..

[JAbuchan08]

277. Maybe for you.

won't convince many people though. You'll get the simpleton vote though... "Hillary. familiar and safe" "Barak Obama... new and SCARY! we'd have to admit that the Left right about the war! AAAUUUGHH!"

[Enthusiast]

252. Gonnabuymeagun, I love your post...............

You have it right!

[trayfoot]

168. This claim is so one-sided........

and bogus! Obama can't win anymore than Hillary! Do the math. Neither one can gain the delegates necessary. Several analysts have run the models. So, why are Obama supporters claiming she can't win when he can't, either?

[JackORoses]

173. she can't win and she can't catch up in Pledged delegates

your argument is a Red Herring.

It is based on the notion that winning more Pledged Delegates means nothing. You are wrong.

The SuperDelegates will not reverse the will of the people represented by the PDs.

Hillary cannot win because Obama already has.

[Rebel101]

190. The Super Delegates Will Not Reverse The Will of the People?

You mean the Supers that Obama has bought and paid for?

Vote Hillary!:patriot:

[PADemD]

248. Loser is winner = Bush logic

[Tellurian]

141. Amazing- the future of America is in their hands.. not!

[still_one]

105. After she endorsed mccain over Obama, I think I know where Hillary stands /nt

[SIMPLYB1980]

110. Well Obama Played the Regan card like a good Republican.

I don't think it was an endorsement, just a statement of FACT.

[still_one]

176. Well, here is my statement of fact, is she gets the nomination, I'm not voting /nt

[Enthusiast]

253. SIMPLYB1980, this is why you have no credibility. nt

[SIMPLYB1980]

268. And this is why Obama has no credibility or you for that matter.

Where was your outrage over Obama's pandering for publican votes?
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/12/obama-launches.html
Obama went negative a long time ago, but Obama supporters were to busy sipping to cool aid to realize it.

[Enthusiast]

269. Knowing Hillary's dirty trick team...........

I would say this entire thing is probably a complete fabrication. The Clinton team cares nothing for truth or the facts. Even if true, it is nothing compared to recommending a Republican for office over your Democratic opponent.

[SIMPLYB1980]

271. LMAO!

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/14/obama-nevada-flyer-you-can-be-a-democrat-for-one-day/

[anigbrowl]

144. You don't understand journalistic ethics

If a journalist says 'someone from the Clinton campaign, never mind who' it's unethical.

If a politician (in this case, the Chief of Staff to the prime minister) says that, it's news. Naturally reporters should try to find out who it was, but the story is that an important person made that statement in a public contest.

[dchill]

162. Goose, meet gander...

BOGUS is as BOGUS does, mama always used to say. I think this story is true, because it smells so familiarly like Clintonian (Rovian) projection.

[Catherina]

165. It's impossible to take someone with Hillaryis44 in their sigline seriously

DO you have anything more substantial to refute this than your word, not that I have any reason to doubt it. I mean, that, you know, there is no basis for that. I take you on the basis of what you say. And, you know, there isn’t any reason to doubt that. There is nothing to base that on. As far as I know.


I don't think you can recognize the politics of hope after hanging out in the politics of the sewer for so long. That site is filthy.

[rcsl1998]

179. Clinton Told The Canadian Govt. To Immediately Release The Name Of Any Clinton Contact

The silence has been deafening...

[Hieronymus]

192. LOL keep trying ..

[George II]

222. "Obama's campaign will get dirtier from here on in"

Can they equal the Clinton campaign's filth?

[jhrobbins]

224. I know for a fact that as first lady she served kittens for state dinners

and she set puppies on fire in the rose garden. She is just one step up from the devil and this is a fact because Pat Robertson sorta said so. :sarcasm:

(As Jack Nicholson said ' You friggin people'.)

[ekwhite]

240. Tellurian - it was Ian Brodie that said it - Harper's chief of staff!

It has been all over the news. The Clinton campaign has been caught lying again.

[pauldg0]

225. We have to get Edwards back in this thing somehow................

...these two are still going at it. It just amazes me how stupid all you dems are. Your a fractured group, that is for sure.

This country is headed for the "HOLE" with either of these two clowns.

Please John Edwards talk to Al Gore.....your a good salesman, I know you are!!!!

[mrbluto]

231. I'm sure you do.

I'm sure you'd like such a message to result from every time the wind blows and for no reason twice on tuesdays.

Does it ever dawn on you that such strident, unsupported yahoo-ism (read a little tom swift if you don't know what that means) does your candidate and progressive objectives no favors?

I wish you and people like you would go somewhere else for your 24/7 "two minute hate".

[ginnyinWI]

2. Let me be the first to recommend this.

I saw it on TPM yesterday. Needs to make the nightly news!

[Yes We Did]

I posted this last night when it broke...

Been getting slammed all day by camp clinton for it. I guess the truth hurts.

[writes3000]

3. If this is true, it is SO sleazy. Exactly the kind of politics we need to end. Now. n/t

[Tropics_Dude83]

8. Yes this needs to be shouted from the rooftops

Clinton is the source of the scandal here, not Senator Obama who stands for what America should be. She and her brand of politics stands for all that is wrong with America.

Of course,

CNN won't mention this latest tidbit.

[writes3000]

19. Obama should absolutely call her on it. It deserves a "shame on you"...

For purposefully deceiving the American people. This is the kind of election tactic that the country is sick of. The public trust is a sacred bond. Break it at your own peril. And by the way, it's way past time for you to release your tax records. The American public is waiting for the truth.

[bdamomma]

129. CNN???

what a waste of time they are.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

151. Sleazy is the ONLY kind of politics Hillary knows!

[JorgeTheGood]

4. like ... uh ... didn't he already admit to it? n/t

[TwilightGardener]

6. Like, uh--no. He's been totally cleared. The whole charge against him was a lie.

[Political Heretic]

74. Dude, that's NOT TRUE. I support Obama too but I don't lie about the facts.

[TwilightGardener]

88. Uh, dude, the Canadian government agreed with Obama's advisor that

that memo was mischaracterized--the spin was wrong. Goolsbee never told them to ignore Obama's rhetoric, or that he was saying one thing and doing something else--the Canadian official involved admitted it. And if you read closer, you'll see that Goolsbee actually made it clear what Obama's position was on NAFTA. Plus, that "memo" had nothing to do with the original charge that Obama sent an advisor to tell Canada to ignore his NAFTA rhetoric. Hillary did that, not Obama. The Canadians came to Goolsbee in Chicago, and then wrote and leaked this memo. This smells really bad.

[truedelphi]

112. Problem is - the media wants Hilary over Obama as the candidate

I think the reason for that will be the Clinton's involvement with Hsu, who is in trouble for offering the Chinese some missile technology secrets. He was a big campaign donor to Bill in 1996, and he attempted to be a big donor to Hillary about four-five months ago.

The media knows they can bring her down. They don't know how they will stop Obama.

[IsItJustMe]

114. I do know that the msm wants this to go down to the wire. They like the fight and it brings their

ratings up.

[papau]

206. "dude" - Obama said the meeting never took place - it took the memo to get him to admit the meeting

Obama is a liar - deal with it.

[Kokonoe]

101. Is This What Its All About

i wasted my time to read it, and it does not say to ignore Obama's rhetoric.

[JorgeTheGood]

128. cleared by ????

last I heard, he denied it (lied) and then admitted it ...

[dbmk]

178. He didn't lie

He was asked if they Obama campaign had contacted the Canadian embassy and told that his words on NAFTA was only for show.

They didn't contact the Canadians.
They had no contact with the embassy.
Noone from the Obama campaign had said any such thing.

Was he supposed to say yes?

[tyne]

10. But of course

we see nothing about this new revelation on the pro-Obama media. Huh.

Let's kick it up and make 'em start doing their job! Send 'em the articles! Highlight the quote!

[TwilightGardener]

5. This needs to be all over CNN, etc. Let's see how fair the press is.

[redqueen]

Mabye SNL might consider changing up their take on things

if this little stinkbomb falls through the cracks. :7

[TwilightGardener]

11. Oh, how unfair! Maybe it's HILLARY that would like another pillow?

[BearSquirrel2]

264. SNL crossed the line ...

SNL's portrayal of Hillary overhyped the notion that the media wasn't being fair to her and that she was perceived as being a witch. This was caricature and sarcasm and worked well for her. In other words, they made fun of her critics.

They portrayed Obama as just plain stupid. I would say their portrayal was sub Dan Quaylish. It wasn't funny, it was just plain insulting and racist.

[IsItJustMe]

111. The way CNN was spinning HRC's win in Texas the other night, I think they just want to see it go

down the wire, the hell with the truth for them. I hope I am wrong.

[Kurovski]

184. Maybe they were hoping to save this story for the General election if Clinton got the nom?

It could have helped McCain if Dems stayed home out of disgust, or, whatever.

[Enthusiast]

254. Kurovski, you might be on to something. nt

[Lord Helmet]

288. good somebody ferreted it out

[ProgressiveEconomist]

280. Kick!

[featherman]

7. Who in the American media dropped the ball? Will they recant?

Of course the damage is done as they fell all over themselves to be "tough on Obama" after Clinton "worked the refs".

[canadian_is_cold]

79. Actually it was a canadian reporter who first twisted the story

Tom Clark at CTV. From my Post yesterday...

"others said the content of Brodie's remarks was passed on to CTV's Washington bureau and their White House correspondent set out the next day to pursue the story on Clinton's apparent hypocrisy on the North American Free Trade Agreement.

Althought CTV correspondent Tom Clark mentioned Clinton in passing, the focus of his story was on assurances from the Obama camp.

He went to air on Feb. 27 with a report that the Democratic front-runner had given advance notice to Canadian diplomats that he was about to engage in some anti-NAFTA rhetoric, but not to take it too seriously. "



This story is big news in Canada. I am surprised the American news sources are not reporting on it.

[pbca]

9. This is gonna be great

The NAFTAgate thing will blow up in Clinton's face AND our conservative Prime Minister's Chief of Staff will take the fall for it!!

[blocker]

12. NOT reported anywhere

why is that, maybe not true?

[NJSecularist]

14. It's because the media is biased against Obama

They are clearly playing sides now and that side is the side of John McCain and Hillary Clinton.

[featherman]

17. Duh..Toronto Globe and Mail

[TwilightGardener]

20. Yes, but American news outlets are still perpetuating the Obama smear.

[pbca]

29. American "News" outlets are disreputable

and untrustworthy (except the Daily Show of course).

Iraq's lack of Nuclear Weapons and Bush's fudging of intelligence were widely reported outside the US.(Just as one of many other examples).

[TwilightGardener]

34. Yes, sadly, we here already know we're always being played.

[pbca]

39. That should say

WMD's not nukes..no one ever really thought he had nukes.

[Tropics_Dude83]

18. UH Blocker

See the link above. The Globe and Mail link! Canada's #1 broadsheet newspaper.

Retract your remark please.

[blocker]

24. globe and mail , i mean, CNN FOX NEWS MSNBC ETC...

[smiley_glad_hands]

13. She needs to drop out. eom

[MercutioATC]

15. This needs to be VERIFIED before it's disseminated.

Clinton took a story about Obama and, with ZERO effort to verify it, used it to smear him.

Obama needs to verify this story before he uses it. It's fine to hit back, but he needs to fight clean.

[LeftCoast]

26. Debunking this is like playing wack-a-mole

Every time I have, someone else pops up with yet another thread on it.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

45. Link to debunking?

I'd like to know.

[LeftCoast]

73. Here are links to four different threads:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4921910

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4917194&mesg_id=4923308 (this is a sub-thread)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4905565

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4920533

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

82. I had read all those threads before. No debunking that I can see.

Perhaps you could point to the pertintent post/posts that does the actual debunking.

Thanks in advance.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

167. I guess not.

[JBoy]

58. How is it you are "debunking" this?

You have information that the Globe & Mail does not??

[papau]

207. read the Globe article - it debunks itself - Canada says its wrong-and no named source says its true

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

152. Yeah, like the story involving Obama.

[blocker]

16. If true watch clinton blame it on Obama!

yeah thats gonna happen, it's Obama fault and he's playing dirty...JUST WATCH..LOL

[blm]

28. It's a Rove tactic - accuse opponent of your own maneuvers to deflect attention away

so that when you are discovered doing it the general public will have been duped by the media enough to slam BOTH and claim that 'all' politicians act alike.

[TwilightGardener]

36. Right--dirty-up your opponent, he can't wash it off, and when YOU

are soiled, no one notices--now you're equal!

[writes3000]

40. Exactly. And it's literally being covered in your own shit and flinging at your opponent.

Because you want everyone else to think it's theirs.

Grotesque.

[fascisthunter]

21. Her Campaign Seriously Disgusts Me

I don't want a President with such a flawed character as hers. Too much dirt has been dished from her campaign. Seems she sold out to what was used against her and her husband.

[Enthusiast]

256. fascisthunter, I couldn't agree more.

I did not know that Hillary would stoop to such low and Rovian tactics. I'm starting to think that McCain would actually be a better choice than she would in the general election. She can't be believed on any issue, just like the Republicans.

[rndmprsn]

22. K&R

[leftofcool]

23. Old news

[JBoy]

61. Nice try.

The fact that the Clinton camp is reported to have first contacted the Canadian government is "new" news.

[IsItJustMe]

76. New to me. Damnit!!! The American people have a right to know about this and I want to know why

this is not being covered in the msm!!!

[Tropics_Dude83]

92. Leftcoast

You can't debunk the Globe and Mail article though can you? Considering that it's highly refutable.

[bdamomma]

132. maybe we should do our own investigative work.

we are not going to get the truth on this from our corporate owned MSM.

[Bluerthanblue]

25. this is just the begining

of the unravelling-

:hi:

peace~

[eleny]

27. I hope Keith Olbermann sees this

Perhaps he and his crew can sort it out.

[NightWatcher]

30. wow, Hillary actually does the things that she charges against Obama

First with a Rezko donor, now this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4907332

Go get her Obama, there's blood in the water

[still_one]

31. When she effectively endorsed mccain over Obama, that convienced me

because of THAT I will not vote for Clinton if she gets the nomination in the general election

Before that, it didn't matter to me, but that video drove me that direction

What I didn't see, but understand very clearly now, is that this campaign represents HER. When she implies that she "has no reason to doubt" that Obama is not a Muslim, when she implies that Obama has some fondness toward farrikan(sic), when her campaign implied that Obama was not for a women's right to choose, and so many more mischaracterizations, I don't trust her

If THIS story turns out accurate, it will only prove that she DOES NOT have the CHARACTER or INTEGRITY to be President

I have no doubt if Obama wins the nomination, she would vote for mccain, just out of spite

Well, my gift to her campaign, is if HILLARY wins the nomination, she won't get my vote in the general election


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P21PRmUzN-A

[writes3000]

37. Her campaign has been slimy and so dirty.

It's really turned me off. I now do not believe a word that comes out of her mouth. She lies and contradicts way too much for me.

[still_one]

60. For me she represents an extremely unstable personality, similar to mccain

in with his anger tantrums

[Tropics_Dude83]

63. No Mccain has a temper but is a honorable guy-She's like Nixon.

He's wrong on the issues but is an American hero. This woman is like Richard Nixon.

[still_one]

67. wrong, Nixon was willing to negotiate with ANYONE, including red China /nt

[IsItJustMe]

117. I guess the word "honorable" is in the eye of the beholder then.

[TwilightGardener]

95. What, Hillary the Ashtray-Flinger is unstable? No way!

[catgirl]

41. I've always said Hillary refuses to down alone

Now that she's come out full-swinging, all the dirt from her past is
going to spill out like an avalanche. It would have come out if she
was the nominee (from the GOP), but now all the people the Clinton's
screwed over are going to start talking. The media is going to find an
even more exciting story in this, than they've been getting from the
race itself.

[IsItJustMe]

85. Your story is my story. I was an Edwards supporter. After he dropped out I did not care which one

of them got the nod. After I seen HRC's discusting comments about McCain, I said to myself, 'Self, there is no way in hell I can support someone of such low character". There are several other members of my family that feel the same.

How you win is every damn bit as important as winning. It's called character and dignity, things of which HRC knows nothing about.

[still_one]

104. and I am not very happy about it either, but for me that was as bad as it gets

Maybe if it goes to the convention Edwards could still get in, not likely but possible.

I wish the primaries would have been drawn out a little longer, then Edwards would have had more time. With everyone trying to move up their primaries, those that don't do well realitively quickly don't have a chance

Also, more spread out primaries, we get to know the candidates better

[jgraz]

32. You mean Hillary Clinton ... LIED??????/////????

Pardon me while I die of not surprise.

[Bluerthanblue]

44. WHAT as Sexist remark!

:silly:

jus' kidding- This claim is so randomly applied here lately, I couldn't resist-

:evilgrin:

peace~

[jgraz]

51. Just like a woman...

:P :P :P

[pbca]

52. Personally I think it's very sexist to

accuse men of being sexist because they don't like Hillary. Talk about stereotypes.

[jgraz]

56. I bet you get accused of being sexist for saying that.

[pbca]

83. Really? That would be novel.

I've been accused of everything short of planning 9/11 since I settled on Obama

[IsItJustMe]

87. I am with the other poster on this one. That was a very sexist remark indeed!!!

:sarcasm:

[UALRBSofL]

33. PO I forgot to tell everyone but I was the one who called

And told the canadian oficial to take NAFTA with a grain of salt. I told him I was a member of the Clinton Campaign. I fess up, I'm guilty. However, I didn't give my name, phone number, or how I was affiliated with the campaign. It was suppose to be kept secret but I guess it got leaked out.

[Kokonoe]

84. Who got the right wing Canadians to switch the names?

Oh and DAMMED YOU, Its OK you had to cover your ass Big Time.

[def0]

35. Wow, It finally turned out Austan Goolsbee is Hillary's SPY!!

[still_one]

65. When she endorsed mccain over Obama, THAT IS WHAT DID IT FOR ME

that is why if she gets the nomination, she won't get my vote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P21PRmUzN-A

[kentuck]

38. Then why doesn't Obama say this??

This would proably win the nomination for him, if true. If it was his idea, then it was a very big blunder.

[Tellurian]

46. BECAUSE IT'S A LIE... DOES HE NEED TO GET CAUGHT IN YET ANOTHER LIE?

[TwilightGardener]

50. HILLARY LIED! OBAMA DIDN'T! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[Tropics_Dude83]

57. Those who scream the loudest

are often the most wrong.

Again the Globe and Mail is to Canada as NYT/WP is to the U.S.

Can you back your statements with up with anything but screaming hysterics?

Don't take tellaurian seriously, DU, she's a radical Hillary supporter blind to facts.

[AtomicKitten]

293. CAPSLOCK fatigue

[BearSquirrel2]

266. Wait to see what happens if Hillary is nominated ...

Faux will pull out the reruns regarding the inconsistencies with the Rose Law firm records and the Whitewater dealings.

No doubt, the Clintons were unfairly harassed for these things. But they drug it out so long that they looked guilty.

Hell, they NEVER EVEN RESPONDED when Rove smeared them on the "trashing the White House" shit!!!

[pbca]

47. Maybe he doesn't want to say anything

he can't prove. That would be smart.

There is enough dirt on Hillary that he doesn't need to rely on rumors.

[doublethink]

43. 14 minutes since you posted this and 25 recs .....

make that 26 .... :) ...... hope we get more verification on this and the msm brings it up tonight. peace.

[Tropics_Dude83]

Thanks dude

Yes this needs to be made into huge news. Can someone please e-mail Keith Olbermann if they have his contact info and get him to mention this?

Also, Globe and Mail is to Canada as New York Times, Washington Post is to the U.S.

[doublethink]

69. Update .... 18 minute mark .... and 40 recs ..... !!!!

gotta love DU. :) ....... :nuke: ..... wish the Obama campaign would come out with a statement quickly on this to muddy the waters like Hillary has on so many things lately. Fight fire with fire .... and where are those tax returns anyway? And what about .... justs gotta create 'doubt' ..... plenty in the Clinton closet ...... personally didn't want to play the game this way but hey she isn't letting up. Time to close the deal!! :)

[democrat_nanny]

166. Excellent...

Now the validity of a story is being judged by number of "recs" on DU.

[doublethink]

220. It's called getting the story more exposure and therefore .....

more chances of verifying its authenticity. That has happened throughout the day, and story has been verified as true, funny how those things work huh? Peace. :)

[bdamomma]

134. maybe we should look into more Canadian websites to find the truth

before we end up eating our own. Everything we do, those repigs are just watching and waiting for the kill, we have to vigilant on this kind of stuff.

[Tellurian]

48. There won't be any more verification because the story isn't TRUE!

[Tropics_Dude83]

54. LOL

Nothing to back that statement up with lol tellaurian. Typical hillaryis44 propaganda.

Again Globe and Mail is to Canada as NYT/WP is to the U.S.

[TwilightGardener]

55. HA! Hillary gave Canada the old "wink wink"!!!

[UALRBSofL]

59. Tellurian the problem is Obama has no proof of the phone call

or that who called. For all we know it could have been a person from the Obama camp saying he was a Hillary supporter. You need names, phone numbers, etc. The mere fact he got a call has no merit. So, it will still lie on Obama's shoulders.

[doublethink]

98. Where's the problem in that ??????

I see no problem, Hillary's campaign hasn't been dealing with facts with all the B.S. they've been throwing at Obama lately. Sad but apparently our Country doesn't need facts ... to come to judgment. "Facts ... we don't need on stinking facts" ..... that should be the Hillary motto ...... taken from Rove and the bushies. And oh haven't you heard she endorsed mccain too, that's a fact. She hasn't released her tax returns, fact ..... what is she hiding? The Clintons created NAFTA to begin with !!! FACT. ;) .....

The above story in the OP has credibility ..... it needs to be played out loud and clear !!!! KICK, KICK, KICK .... why are you so concerned with facts lately anyway .... ??? Isn't this fun? :hug:

[JBoy]

66. Leave Hillary alone!!!

[jgraz]

49. We like lots of **** stars **** here on DU

Loook, shiny...

[mrbluto]

232. Gotta love that.

"I recommend this - I hope it gets verified."

Ah the politics of "hope" are in the air.

Open a window or light a match please.

[doublethink]

241. Let me spell it out for you ... 'hope we get more verification on this' means .....

let's look into this, verify it through other sources ... guess some people can't handle when the spotlight is shined on their candidate ??? Why try to stifle the truth? What do YOU base your decisions in life on anyway? Guess facts don't matter ... And why does the word 'HOPE' offend some of you zombies sooooo freaking much when used in a sentence?? Yea Zombies ..... it's like your the walking dead, whatever. By the way the story got verified. Peace. :hug:

[mrbluto]

243. Stuck pig.

Gotta wonder when "some people" squeal like a stuck pig, whether one has hit a nerve.

Stifle the truth? Pleeeeze. You're doing a fine job at that.

Who the hell are you swinging at? Do I know you?

I snarked at the way the word "Hope" has become so debased now that it's been dragged in and made a centerpiece of "some people's" politics.

Then you're all "I guess some people.." and "stifle the truth" at me.

A little sensitive are we?

Here's a pop quiz - who do I support? Can you guess without looking at my journal or other posts?

I bet not.

BTW: I doubt you have any interest in the word you end your post with: "Peace". Talk about f*cking hypocritical. Do you for one minute sincerely think you can fling the crap you fling and then make it all nice by saying "peace" when you're done?

If there weren't so many people ahead of you in line that word would be embarrassed to come out of your mouth after your sloppy post.

As a favor to me and everyone else, please rub two of your rare neurons together and think about what the hell you're saying before you post.

oh, and - "peace"

(we're all good now, right?)

[doublethink]

245. Maybe anger management classes would help you?

Dude your posts ramble on jumping from one incoherent thing to the next. I haven't the will, nor the time to even want to try and communicate with you further. Your 'hope' snark at me in your original response was uncalled for. Whatever rings your bell. Go pester someone else. Yea we're good. :rofl:

[doublethink]

242. And another thing .... it's at 144 recs and counting !!! Ha Ha !!!

Top of the Greatest Page ..... very top. It's Alive !! It's Alive !! Too funny, but you Zombies with no "Hope" probably don't feel emotions, laughter, happiness, being ALIVE !! So nevermind...... :eyes:

[AlertLurker]

62. When I heard the original story on CTV, it was BOTH candidates.

Spin, spin, spin...I hate this stupid "he said, she said" garbage.

[TwilightGardener]

77. Obama has been cleared. He did not send an advisor to warn Canadians.

Hillary apparently did. That needs to be investigated.

[pbca]

64. Related from the CBC

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/03/06/memo-leak.html

[book_worm]

68. Obama should go with it just like Hillary did with him.

[NorthernSpy]

70. Good. We can make this come back and bite her on the butt...

:thumbsup:

[Political Heretic]

71. The both told Canada - I've seen the memo.

[TwilightGardener]

99. OK, you're not letting this go for some reason--Goolsbee never told

the Canadian government that they should disregard what Obama says about NAFTA. The stuff in there about "political positioning" was not a quote, and it's not what Goolsbee was saying, and the Canadian government AGREES, and has apologized. Let it go.

[Political Heretic]

113. The "poliical positioning" WAS a direct quote from the memo.

See above. It's right there.

I'm not "letting it go" I guess because when I read the memo it seems pretty blatantly clear to me that Obama's economic advisor was suggesting a softer stance in private than is being taken in public.

That doesn't suprise me, and it doesn't stop me from supporting Obama, but I also don't want to sweep it under a rug. This is a place where I DISAGREE with Obama - his choice of economic advisors sucks. It just does. It reflects the part of him that is very centrist and mainstream. It's hard to just finish reading Namomi Kline's book and then have one of his top three economic advisors be from the Friedman-style University of Chicago brand of economics, and his other two be neo-liberal centrists.

I have a lot of reasons for supporting Obama, but I did't sell my right to be critical the moment I became a supporter. Knowing these guys and their brand of economics, I'm quite sure the memo speaks for itself, despite canadian denials - they're just unhappy that they got caught.

[mmonk]

75. .

:popcorn:

[rocktivity]

78. This confirms my suspicion

That the Rethugs are ulitmately behind this.

:headbang:
rocknation

[workinclasszero]

81. Hillary caught doing what she accused Obama of doing?

Clinton smears Obama with a right wing assist from Canada!?:puke:

F'in DLC traitor!:nuke:

The Obama campaign needs to jump on this ASAP!

Let the people of Ohio know how badly they were screwed by Hillary, AGAIN!

And let all Americans know what a shameless LIAR Hillary Clinton is!

I mean Buckeyes, didya REALLY think one of the main the architects of NAFTA was on your side???:eyes:

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Tropics_Dude83]

86. Yes never underestimate the stupidity of Joe Six pack/Also Regarding KO

I for one as the republicans always say that they do have no faith in the intelligence of the American voter.

Can people bombard him with e-mails please to cover this?

Thanks!

[EnviroBat]

123. Not for a minute, but despite my best efforts I was unable

to convince the back-ass masses of this fair state. They're nostalgic for "The Clinton economy of the 90's..." Or so I've heard. Too dumb to pull their heads out of their asses and look ahead to a future not run by corporate interests...

[workinclasszero]

263. Its sad that cynical politicians of both parties

keep playin the working class people in this country like a fiddle.

Will they ever learn???

I think we will all be living in cardboard boxes under bridges before the American people finally wake up to the real consequences of 'free trade'.

[pbca]

91. K&R

[DerekJ]

94. How many posts do I have to make before I can create a thread?

[DerekJ]

96. and can I cheat?

[DerekJ]

97. Like this !!! :-)

:bounce:

[TwilightGardener]

100. LOL! Cheat away! I think it's 20 posts, but I can't remember.

[doublethink]

102. Dude if you just keep kicking this thread you'll be there in no time !!!

Your post count will increase very quickly. And you'll help give this story more exposure !!!!! You go boy !!! :bounce: :thumbsup:

Carry On !!! Great job and welcome to DU by the way !!! :kick:

[DearAbby]

172. Kickin with you n/t

[IsItJustMe]

106. K&R

[newportdadde]

108. Big surprise? NO. Of course she was never going to touch NAFTA, people in Ohio are idiots.

[EnviroBat]

125. For the most part, yes, they are moronic, and knee-jerk.

The town I live in went solidly for Obama. Funny that, it's a college town full of intelligent, predominately youthful people...

[bridgit]

109. My God! BO peeps, calm down, understanding how detailed and far reaching NAFTA is, she was making...

apologies in advance for your guy too for leaving the heavy hand of 'opt out' on the table :eyes:

[IsItJustMe]

115. It will be interesting to see how this new revelation will effect her polls in Pennsylvania.

[Tarc]

118. It'd be even more interesting if it were actually true

Deflecting one's own misdeeds by trying to redirect it to one's opponent is the oldest and most transparent trick in the book. The only people who will fall for this are the sheep who are already in the O camp to begin with.

[IsItJustMe]

131. I, for one, believe it to be true. Why? Because it has become quit appearent to me on how HRC

operates. She does things and then turns around and blames Obama for doing it. They call it hypocracy, and man does it stink to high heaven.

[Tarc]

147. So gullible O-Bots are eating it up, how lovely.

A shame that that does not make it true;

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4927540

[workinclasszero]

121. No doubt.

I hope the Obama campaign gets the word out all over Pennsylvania about Hillary's NAFTA treachery.

[cjbgreen]

116. Clinton, I'm a fighter and I am willing to do anything to win....

Experience (Clinton real meaning) willingness to do what ever it takes to position herself to be president. And Bill and Hillary have certainly demonstrated that their love for power does not interfere with their judgment about ethics or setting a standard for clean government. The Clinton's deserve some of the responsibility for contributing to a situation that allowed George Bush to become and remain president. I remember Bill interviewed before the 2004 election commenting to Charlie Rose about respecting George and admiring Karl Rove. And now making race, fear, religion an issue and than claiming to be a victim. Saying that she'll play by the rules with the super-delegates but of course the rules were meant to be broken in Michigan and Florida. The Clinton's can be remembered for the cabinet infighting, domestic drama and focusing the country on the Clinton's, instead of moving us forward. And as for her decisions personal and professional, her conduct is not professional and her own campaign is packed with lobbyist, fighting and poor fiscal management. If she manipulates and lies her way to the presidency welcome to four more years with a republican house and senate.

These are only a few examples of why we need new leadership, leadership we can respect.

[doublethink]

135. Welcome to DU cjbgreen! :) n.t.

[AtomicKitten]

289. well said

[OhioChick]

119. Truth Begins to Trickle Out.... n/t

[AtomicKitten]

290. drip drip drip

[TheZug]

120. It's okay if she did it, because she's a "fighter."

[IsItJustMe]

122. another reason for it to be OK is that it is her responsibility to vet Obama. These arguments get

more ridiculous as this primary goes on. Obama had one thing dead on, it's silly season in politics.

[nomorewhopper]

124. lol i am not surprised at all

[bdamomma]

126. oh boy, is she that desperate to seek the royal throne in DC.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

170. I wonder why she wants to be President?

[woolldog]

130. When is the MSM going to pick this up?

I haven't seen them reporting that Clinton was the one doing this anywhere???

[IsItJustMe]

139. It seems very tilted that the msm raked Obama over the coals and then is totally silent when it

the truth gets out about HRC's campaign.

[stillrockin]

133. Suh-prize, suh-prize . . .

[bdamomma]

136. Hey everyone!!!

check this out:

all Canadian papers listed here, if anyone wants to do some investigation work.

http://broadcast-live.com/newspapers/canadian.html


here's the same story from another news website.

http://www.thespec.com/News/CanadaWorld/article/335450

snip of article:

At the end of an extended conversation, Brodie was asked about remarks aimed by the Democratic candidates at Ohio's anti-NAFTA voters that carried serious economic implications for Canada.

Since 75 per cent of Canadian exports go to the U.S., Obama and Clinton musings about reopening the North American free-trade pact had caused some concern.

Brodie downplayed those concerns.

"Quite a few people heard it," said one source in the room.

"He said someone from (Hillary) Clinton campaign is telling the embassy to take it with a grain of salt ... That someone called us and told us not to worry."

Government officials did not deny the conversation took place.

They said that Brodie sought to allay concerns about the impact of Obama and Clinton's assertion that they would renegotiate NAFTA if elected. But they did say that Brodie had no recollection of discussing any specific candidate -- either Clinton or Obama.

Obama has been pilloried by his opponents and faced the most aggressive questioning of his heretofore smooth-sailing campaign.

Clinton used the story to cast him as a double-talking hypocrite -- winking and nudging at Canadians while making contrary promises to American voters.

[bdamomma]

138. kick

[Bright Eyes]

143. Big Kick!

:kick:

[jillan]

149. For those of you that read the entire article, you will see that it is being investigated.

Nothing has been proven.

They are going to talk to more people about the conversations that took place.

relax!

[pbca]

154. That may be but

Here, in Canada they are actually showing video of the Prime Ministers chief of staff saying those things to a room full of reporters.

[dbmk]

181. Any chance this can be found online somewhere? nt.

[liberaltrucker]

191. That would be in the OP

SHEESH!

:think:

[dbmk]

251. Sheesh yourself! :)

Unless you can guide me to where in the OP, or using the links in the OP, I can find the video mentioned in the post I replyed to. Which was not the OP.

[papau]

208. The speaker says the reported "Hillary" comment is a lie - we don't need more as there isn't a

named source that contradicts him.

[pbca]

155. One of the things I love about DU

Is the lively debate between Obama supporters and Ignored

[high density]

159. You see those debates too?

I thought I might be the only one... LOL.

[dchill]

164. (chortle) (chuckle)...

(snicker)

[AntiFascist]

169. This makes much more sense...

after all, the Clintons are responsible for NAFTA (as well as trade agreements with China).

[acmavm]

171. That famous 'Someone' says the Clinton people did this? The Obama

people are getting pretty damn desperate.

[papau]

209. Who needs named sources when we can smear Hillary - those are the DU/Obama rules

[bronxiteforever]

177. Kick & R-Thats it for me-Hillary is over

[washingdem]

183. K&R

[dana_b]

185. at least Olbermann is covering it!! n/t

[AntiFascist]

187. Yeah, what's up with the fucked-up CNN? n/t

[liberaltrucker]

188. HRC is projecting-Chapter 1 in the Rove playbook

:puke:

[Roland99]

189. DLC! DLC! DLC! DLC! DLC! DLC! DLC! DLC! DLC!

F*** Hillary and F*** the DLC!

[mckara]

193. Americans Cannot Trust the Clintons!

The best thing about Obama: He's not a Clinton! If Hillary wins the nomination, many GOOD DEMOCRATS will vote McCain or not vote. Apparently, many people, who follow politics at DU, want to see another era of Clintonian corporate induced pain inflicted upon the American people. We might as well vote McCain to bring about a revolt of the People sooner and with less suffering.
It's 1928 all over again. Only this time, the government and public are saddled with TRILLIONS of dollars of DEBT. Clinton and McCain = Herbert Hoover and both will lead the U.S. economy into a crash of the dollar, hyper-inflation and the United States becoming a Third World country! Hoovervilles will become McCainvilles or Clintonvilles. Now that's a legacy!
Barack is our ONLY hope!

[spanone]

195. Link New York Times

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Canada-Democrats-Trade.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=hillary+nafta&st=nyt&oref=slogin

[Gold Metal Flake]

196. Hillary Did Not Have Secret Communications With That Canadian...

Or did she???

[better tomorrow]

197. she did.....see....

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080305.wharpleak0305/BNStory/National/home

[Gold Metal Flake]

199. Shit. You didn't get it. I thought it was risky.

I was riffing on Bill's famous Lewinsky denial. But unless spoken the word substitutions go too far away from the original.

[berni_mccoy]

238. I got it. And I LOVE your graphic!

[mcollier]

204. Alright My Friends.....

Send, post, share the Hillary Clinton NAFTA hipocracy to as many news organazations, blogs, co-workers, family, friends, your senators and congress persons... Forget about the rethugs and clintonites attempts here trying to defend her on this.... We need to stick to message: The era of old politics is our choice, this is the change we can believe in.

Clinton cannot be trusted, she isn't even president and she is already defaming America in the eyes of the world with this shamefully action.

Vote for someone you can trust, vote for Barack Obama.

[papau]

210. unnamed source with paraphrase that speaker denies - yep that proves - what?

[SleeplessinSoCal]

200. Olbermann did a report on this tonight

[papau]

211. true - the usual Olbermann lie so as to smear Hillary and advance Obama - no named source but

treat as truth despite speakers denial

[JanusAscending]

226. KEITH DOESN'T LIE !!

You Hillary folks all thought he was pretty cool when he was calling out bush and rove on all their bullshit!! Ya know what? IMO, Keith was FOR Hillary, before she started with the rovian games!! I think he's as disgusted as I and a LOT of the American D voters with her "Win at ANY cost!! Damn it!! Barack would be wise to let the media and his constituents take this to the mat for him. Then he can live up to his campaign of CHANGE from dirty politics !!!!!!

[SayitAintSo]

201. My head is spinning....

I can't keep up with this shit.....

[KaptBunnyPants]

202. Backpedal Hillbots, backpedal.

A few days ago, this was a searing indictment on the hypocrisy of Obama. Now I'm sure it will only demonstrate how statesman-like Hillary is. I've seen Bush voters more thoughtful than these fanatics.

[papau]

212. no need to backpedal as an unnamed source of quote denied by speaker proves - what?

[rosetta627]

203. K&R, the truth about Hillary is ugly

Samantha Power is right.

[FrenchieCat]

215. That's it in a nutshell.......

That news story that we all saw before the news broke in the U.S. had Clinton's name on it....which somehow disappeared at some point.....during the smear campaign on Obama.

[Oilwellian]

216. Wanna taste a little of the Clinton camp hypocrisy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIp4KwLyMNY

You may find this YouTuber just a little odd if you click his YouTube name and view his channel. Be sure and click the link directing you to the 30 videos he's posted in the past week. He created this channel the day the story exploded.

[laconicsax]

218. Watch what she said about it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7p2h2Lgpqg

[George II]

221. I normally don't use obscenities here but....

this is FUCKING filthy! If the bitch wins the nomination I will vote for her (still better than ANY republican), but I'll do anything to help Obama win the nomination, for many reasons but this is the clincher.

[JanusAscending]

227. I felt like you, 'til this shit broke.

But ya know what?? This might just be Naders' year, cause I won't vote for a repuke, but I may just vote for my neighbor Mr. Nader!! Please dear God, don't make me have to. GOBAMA !!!! P.S. You may find a lot of Repubs voting for him too, cause they hate McCain.

[IndianaGreen]

235. Hillary said she prefers McCain in the White House to Obama

I think that makes it imperative for us not to vote for her, ever!

[mrbluto]

230. Surprise!

The two active contenders are the ones the MSM allowed us and now you're going to complain that they talk out of both sides of their mouths?

[TheDeathadder]

233. It's like this

There's a memo on Obama and there's an unnamed source on Clinton. Obama and his buddies on canada who lied about never having a meeting and then said ok we did have a meeting but not about NAFTA, can try and spin this all they want, but how about a named source or a memo, how about some real proof other than "Take My Word For It"

Obama was busted and now it's trying to be spun without a lick of proof.

Sorry Obama, sorry Obama supporters...you're going to have to try harder than that.

There's proof Obama and Canada talked NAFTA...it's going to take more than Here-say to pin down Clinton.

Obama's going to lose. Clinton's going to win.

[Missouri Blue]

234. Whether Clinton or Obama or both did it, this is a total non-issue

Of course they told Canada to take it with a grain of salt, or words to that effect. How would they know in advance what Canada might be offended about?

Business as usual? Hardly-- it's actually competent and gracious to other countries. Something we haven't seen in 7 years.

[lligrd]

239. It Is Not What They Said, It Was The Way It Was Used

and the way Ohio fell for it.

[lisainmilo]

236. Too late OHIO, better WAKE UP PENNSYLVANIA!

My only hope is that the good people in Pennsylvania are not duped as they were in Ohio! Clinton tactics, glad to also see Obama come out swinging! He needs to take the gloves off and "go to town" there is so much out there on the Clintons it will make a statues head spin!

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/03/06/politics/horserace/entry3913147.shtml

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/06/736396.aspx

Good for you Obama!

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[TheZug]

237. Facts are sexist.

[ClayZ]

244. K and R

[ForeignSpectator]

246. all the workers' unions supporting clinton in Ohio ( and elsewhere )

need slaps over their faces big time... suuuure she is against NAFTA sure...

[Perry Logan]

255. Are the Canadians working with the Republicans to undermine our candidates?

[npincus]

258. NBC Today IGNORES this, rehashes Obama official met w/Cnandian gov't

What else could we expect from those biased shit-heads? No sense in damaging their narrative with fact.

[alteredstate]

265. k & r

[complain jane]

270. So this story says that Obama and Clinton are both double-talking hypocrites?

But Clinton tried to throw the whole thing on Obama even though she's just as guilty.

Is that about right?

[Buzz Clik]

273. Where are the apologies from the Hillary supporters who called Obama a liar over this?

Jesus fucking Christ.

This is exactly why the Clinton campaign is crashing.

[durrrty libby]

274. Your OP is typical BullShit Lies from Obama The Fraud

How can anyone support such a despicable liar?

[Hyper_Eye]

276. I was worried our nominee wouldn't be able to beat McCain...

Now I am certain of it. We have two fantastic candidates. By the time one of them gets to start the fight with the GOP they are going to be bloodied and beaten already by their own party! By us! McCain, on the other hand, is going to look clean, strong, and ready to fight. You guys go ahead and keep arguing about this nonsense. I will be preparing myself for the harsh reality of four more years with the GOP in the presidency. I will prepare myself for the realization that more troops are going to die for a failed policy. I hope that our incredible candidates can pick up their careers after this. After such a long run of "Survivor" I don't know if they will be able to go on.

[SIMPLYB1980]

278. Well said.

[dailykoff]

279. Well, that still leaves ONE fantastic candidate...

GOBAMA!

[AtomicKitten]

281. kick for the nonbelievers

[DearAbby]

282. Kickity

[DearAbby]

283. Ana two

:kick:

[Lord Helmet]

284. Hilary is such a liar.

[Quixote1818]

285. kick

[Lord Helmet]

286. kick because the idiots are still in denial

hilary is a big fat liar

[Lord Helmet]

287. bump because people are still confused

[uponit7771]

291. is a kick the same as a bump? Thx

[cooolandrew]

292. This was a slow breaking news. Yeah, Republicans do tend to project their wrongdoing.