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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:26 AM Original message |
My take...Hilary wanted a do-over in FL and Michigan from the start... |
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tyne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
1. But.... |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. No, but I think she'll still do well...for her it's about momentum, not |
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WilyWondr (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. a do over? |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Pretty damn long...please note that the DNC is now considering a |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #17 |
32. If the DNC agrees to this |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. I don;t know, because I really don't think Dean likes Bill and Hilary... |
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peace frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Hillary could lose one or both states |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #11 |
27. But she won't get that, and i think she knows it...it would make for a |
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peace frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #27 |
38. Then we'll agree to disagree |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #38 |
44. Time will tell... |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
2. FL and MICH were basically frozen FOR Hillary by the DNC ruling |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Oh, I think she does...especially in FL...a swing state where she'll |
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peace frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #6 |
15. Beg to differ |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. we ain't gonna agree...lots of seniors in FL who are a strong part |
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peace frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #18 |
40. Hillary is too far behind to overtake Obama |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. For her, it's the momentum...people are already talking about BO's glass jaw... |
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peace frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #48 |
58. American voters want CHANGE |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #6 |
31. she will win bigger next time in Fla if it is only two on ballot. |
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BadgerLaw2010 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:32 AM Original message |
Obama is going to get shelled in both states. Wrong side of the "don't seat em" debate. |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
20. Good point...HRC's side was always that the votes and voters count... |
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purji (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. unless its michigan |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
26. Exactly. And many many Obama supporters don't want their votes to count. |
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HooptieWagon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #26 |
46. Obama supporter here, also support following the rules |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
42. last poll i saw last week..Obama is 16% points behind McCain..in Fla. |
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shaniqua6392 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
54. Obama took his name off the ballot when he did not have to. |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. *****Your are right shaniqua6392 he did. I WAS WRONG. I learned something here today****** |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
4. She WANTED them seated as-is... |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. I'm saying she used that as her bargaining starting point...Dean kept |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. I think the do-over procedures are in the official DNC rules |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #7 |
14. I never heard Dean say "no" to a do-over... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #4 |
28. Seating them was within the rules, too, you know. Dean, Pelosi, Clinton, and Obama were all for... |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Yeah, but can you hear the cries of foul play if they had |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Well, the key is that before no one thought seating them would matter. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #35 |
50. well Obama was the first candidate to say he would seat the delegates for Fla.. |
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WilyWondr (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
5. Negotiate? |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. FL and Michigan are states she will win the second time around... |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #5 |
16. It's negotiable because it IS within the rules. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
9. MI and FL are not comparable. nt |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #9 |
39. Only in the sense that the demographics favor Hilary... |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
12. Bill Nelson was on our local news station today with state legislators |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #12 |
36. Yeah, but that all could be posturing as well...to get the DNC to |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
52. ahhh no the state really is on life support.. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
19. I don't care about strategy... I want the state parties to pay for do-overs |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Hee-hee |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Exactly... give them a fair chance at voting... |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #23 |
33. I do hope that this whole primary/caucus mess gets straightened |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #33 |
61. Foreign observers see our sham of a system for what it is. (nt) |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
55. no shit..someone posted yesterday ..5 of the small states that Obama won |
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HooptieWagon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #19 |
30. FL State party has no where near enough money to pay for a revote |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #30 |
59. Why does Nelson have a say? |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #19 |
53. good luck ..the FDP doesn't have much money..in fact hardly any.. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. How is this Dean's fault? FL agreed to the rules. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:42 AM Original message |
There's no evidence she was ever against the voters in FL and MI. This is indisputable. |
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HooptieWagon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
21. No, I don't think so |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. I still say I'm right...he was negotiating and in negotiating you know |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Uh. Dean has no say in seating them or not. The DNC, the Convention, does. |
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HooptieWagon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #29 |
37. You DO realize Dean is the DNC Chairperson, don't you? |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Dean said something today about the ceritifcation committtee |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:37 PM Original message |
No, he is not relenting. Credentials committee is other elected delegates |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #43 |
63. No, he is not relenting. Credentials committee is other elected delegates |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. You don't understand, at the Convention anyone can table a proposal. One which to seat them. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. BTW, given the dynamics of this campaign, I think Hillary wants a do-over more than seating them. |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. She now has the momentum...winning both the second time can only |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
51. Hillary could have ENSURED a do-over by REMOVING HER NAME from the Michigan |
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Life Long Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
56. From the start Hillary said she left her name on the Michigan ballot because "it won't count anyway" |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
57. Fine,. Whatever. Give her a re-do. |
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WHAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
64. C is for cheating... |
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