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Altair Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:03 PM
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Devastating Newsweek article re: Hillary's chances .... link
http://www.newsweek.com/id/119010

Especially this line:

I've asked several prominent uncommitted superdelegates if there's any chance they would reverse the will of Democratic voters. They all say no. It would shatter young people and destroy the party.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:09 PM
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1. Keep in mind, this is Jonathan Alter.
He hates Hillary. He's the anti-Taylor-Marsh. And I have never seen him smirk so much as he has in this winter of Hillary's discontent.

The guy is insightful in most cases, but he has such strong agendas pro and contra particular individuals that it's impossible to take his word about people without independent corroboration.

--p!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:11 PM
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2. Keep in mind Jonathan Alter hates math
and that when he says that super delegates are afraid of ripping the nomination from the front runner - he's making it up.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:41 PM
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43. I have heard both Durbin and Kerry say almost exactly that
Kerry was quoted in the NYT in mid February saying it would be a disaster for the party - either way. (It wasn't as clear then that Obama would be highest. If I heard, two I bet there were more. Also, I think both these men are speaking to superdelegates - it is pretty likely some have accepted that position as their own.
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washingdem Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:12 PM
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3. So is his math wrong?
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:22 PM
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17. No, his math is correct.
Same thing others like Chuck Todd have been saying for weeks.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:24 PM
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19. You can do the math yourself on the Slate Calculator. No way Hillary can catch up. nm
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:46 PM
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34. Except ...

Except the nominee needs a majority of the votes and the delgates are no longer bound after the first ballot. After that, they are free to vote as they please. This is why Hillary does NOT want revotes in Michigan and Florida. If Obama got his proportion, even from losses, that could put him over the top and guarantee the nomination. That would stop the brokered convention.

Hillary is playing chicken with all our fates right now. I think this needs to become a campaign issue. Numerically, Hillary cannot win without blowing out Obama in the coming contests. Hopefully, this can keep Hillary voters home.

Hillary is content with going to the convention in the minority and trying to bully her way to the nomination. This is BAD news for Democrats. I'm doubling down on Obama!!! Stop Hillary NOW!!!!


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AllexxisF1 Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:43 PM
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40. Math just has this tremendous knack of always getting in the way...
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:12 PM
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4. He loves his country,
this guy is probably tired of all the crap being created by the Bush administration and
knows fully that with Hillary in the WH, you get Bush 3.0

I don't see anything wrong with showing concern, do you....:shrug:
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:19 PM
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12. He loves Democracy.
And I also don't think he hates Hillary (got any proof of that?), he just doesn't like that her campaign is trying to change the rules halfway through the game.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:13 PM
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5. It was over super tuesday, I'm waiting for the grieving period to be over.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:13 PM
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6. Several? "more than two but fewer than many " <---definition
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 12:14 PM by wlucinda
from m-w.com
Not too devestating to me.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:14 PM
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7. Thanks for posting this reassuring article.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:15 PM
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8. Welcome to the DU, Altair.
:hi: Solid article, too.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:15 PM
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9. This is what I've been telling people.
After next Tuesday, Hillary will probably need at least 63% in every election here on out. And if she doesn't get at least 63% in PA, she will fall further behind.
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washingdem Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:16 PM
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10. She's done, thankfully, now she just...
... needs to accept it and drop out.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:26 PM
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25. LOL! Dream on!
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:32 PM
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32. Me too - but I also recognize it is damn tough to let go of...
...a candidate you have worked so hard for.

In polite (non-gloating) ways I have referred Hillary supporters to the math, some get it - others have called it Obama math.

I really don't understand what Hillary hopes to gain at this point? What is her end game? I can't fathom she would want the party to have a very bloody floor fight at the convention in Denver.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:26 PM
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38. expect the percentages to be the story from now on out. the sooner
she is gone, the better. After Ken Starr-Canada and all the rest, the sooner the better.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:18 PM
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11. I wouldn't waste my time
reading an article written by this Hillary hating idiot.
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washingdem Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:21 PM
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14. Does math hate Hillary too?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:22 PM
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18. "Bad math is the new black"
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:28 PM
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27. Math means very little when the out come has been preordained.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:29 PM
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28. self deleted
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 12:35 PM by greyghost
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:26 PM
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24. Well, 3, 5, and 8 don't.
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 12:26 PM by Tesha
> Does math hate Hillary too?

Well, 3, 5, and 8 don't, but 0, 1, 2, 7, and 9
do and 4 and 6 are undecided.

And pi, e, and log2 absolutely can't stand
even being on the same number line with her.

Tesha
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:29 PM
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29. "pi, e, and log2 absolutely can't stand even being on the same number line with her."
That's because those numbers are irrational. :P
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:48 PM
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35. I'll take the irrational numbers ...
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 12:49 PM by BearSquirrel2
I'll be glad to take all the irrational numbers for Barak Obama. There are uncountably infinite more of them!!!!

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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:52 PM
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36. Hey, I wasn't making an endorsement of one candidate or another...
I just saw the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to make a math joke, and I couldn't pass it up. :silly:
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:05 PM
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37. And I'm glad you took the opportunity; glad to be of service! (NT)
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:46 PM
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44. Yes and ...

Yes and I made a math joke as well.


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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:18 PM
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42. OTOH, Alter would probably say that she's been endorsed by i
Because, according to him, her chance of winning is wholly imaginary.

For my part, I think she's the underdog but that her chance of winning isn't imaginary. Nevertheless, I was subjected to the same irresistible temptation to make a math joke. :)
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blocker Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:21 PM
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16. SNIF SNIF...
cry babies again!

LEAVE HILLARY ALONE!!!!!!!!!!
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:25 PM
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21. Tell it all to the calculator
And though every voter in Texas and Ohio and Rhode Island are important, they aren't more important than voters in other states.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:20 PM
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13. K&R, and welcome to DU.
Thanks for posting this.
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rosetta627 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:21 PM
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15. Keep in mind that Jonathan Alter is not on Hillary's staff
So he'll tell the inconvenient truth about Hillary's hopeless situation.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:25 PM
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22. Heh.
Yeah, according to some here we should believe clowns like Penn and Wolfson instead of Alter.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:25 PM
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23. This is America, when has the person with the most votes ever won?
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rosetta627 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:30 PM
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31. Let's set a precedent with the president
:bounce:
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:25 PM
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20. If there is a re-do primary in Michigan, would Obama win? nt
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 12:26 PM by thereismore
Jesse Jackson won there in 1988 (per article).
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:26 PM
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26. From here on out Hillary is working for the McCain for President campaign. (nt)
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:29 PM
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30. Math means very little when the out come has been preordained.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:37 PM
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33. THANKS for this info
makes me feel really good about Obama. :-)
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:39 PM
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39. "Newsweek" and "attack on Clinton" are two redundant terms
Or have you not seen these guys on MSNBC? Or the post-IA Obama coronation issue, or Jonathan Alter confession that he has always lusted after Obama after going through life full of frustration that he was born in 1957 and not part of the older baby boomes like... the Clintons?
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:44 PM
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41. K & R
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