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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:25 PM
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Oh, the hypocrisy!

‘NAFTA-gate’ story takes unexpected turn

Posted March 6th, 2008 at 9:15 am

Just when I thought I’d gotten a handle on the so-called “NAFTA-gate” story, it takes an unexpected turn.

Some Canadian news outlets reported last week that Barack Obama’s campaign had reached out to Canadian officials, telling them to effectively ignore Obama’s concerns about NAFTA, claiming the rhetoric was just political posturing. Those reports turned out to be false. Canadian news also noted that Obama aides had contacted the Canadian ambassador with the same message. That turned out to be false, too. Both Hillary Clinton and John McCain read almost identical talking points, but much of the accusations proved to be unfounded. Nevertheless, given the attention and scrutiny, the largely controversy had a fairly significant impact in Tuesday’s primaries.

Now, a new report out of Toronto suggests the original story may have left out some important details.

If the Prime Minister is seeking the first link in the chain of events that has rocked the U.S. presidential race, he need look no further than his chief of staff, Ian Brodie, The Canadian Press has learned.

A candid comment to journalists from CTV News by Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s most senior political staffer during the hurly-burly of a budget lock-up provided the initial spark in what the American media are now calling NAFTAgate.

Mr. Harper announced Wednesday that he has asked an internal security team to begin finding the source of a document leak that he characterized as being “blatantly unfair” to Senator Barack Obama.

OK, so the chief of staff of Canada’s conservative Prime Minister decided he wanted to meddle in the Democratic Party’s primary process. Clearly, that’s wildly inappropriate.

But the odd twist is that it may have been Clinton who reassured Canadians about NAFTA.

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So, let me get this straight. If this report is right, the Clinton campaign gave assurances to the Canadians not to worry about her rhetoric on NAFTA. The Clinton campaign then spent a week hammering Obama on alleged assurances to Canadians about his rhetoric on NAFTA?

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Look over there, Obama did it!

Why are Hillary and John McCain refusing to release their tax returns?

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The candidates preceding Hillary released their returns before they were the nominee. According to the Washington Post, "Sen. John F. Kerry released his returns in December 2003, long before winning the nomination; Vice President Al Gore's returns, of course, were already public." And Kucinich, Dean, Clark, Gephardt, and even evil Joe Lieberman released his returns.

Then there's Bill Clinton. In 1992, Bill Clinton made his tax returns public during the primaries. But, there was a catch. He didn't release his 1979 and 1978 tax returns. Those were the returns showing that Hillary had made a 10,000% cattle-futures profit that raised a few eyebrows.

So is that why Hillary isn't releasing her returns? Because she knows that sometimes tax returns hide things that might appear (or be) scandalous? But even that argument doesn't make sense since Hillary has promised to release her returns AFTER she becomes the nominee. That means that she has no privacy interest in her tax returns, she's going to let the public see them soon anyway, but she simply doesn't want Democratic voters to get the chance to have her tax returns inform their vote during the primaries.

See, here's how it works. Hillary's tax returns could have something foul-smelling in them, like her 10,000% profit on the cattle-futures. If she releases her returns now, it gives you and me and every other Democratic voter the chance to judge her on what's in her returns, and vote accordingly. But if she waits until after she becomes the nominee, she knows she has us by the, uh, cattle-futures. As a Democrat, I might not vote for Hillary in the primary if I see something fishy in her tax returns. But in the general election, of course I'm going to vote for Hillary, regardless of what's in her returns. At that point, only Republicans will hold Hillary accountable for something fishy in her returns so she mitigates the damage by releasing them later rather than sooner.

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Hillary called it "frankly disturbing" that her Senate opponent wouldn't release his tax returns, now she won't release hers

by John Aravosis (DC) • 3/06/2008

She called it "frankly disturbing" that he refused to release his returns, and now she won't release her own returns when Obama released his a year ago.

Hillary's right. It does look like she's hiding something:

Mr. Lazio pledged to release his tax returns soon after entering the Senate race in May, but had not done so, raising suspicions about whether he had the kind of financial problems that have tripped up other politicians in New York in recent decades.

The campaign of his Democratic opponent, Hillary Rodham Clinton, criticized the delay, asking whether he was hiding something.

And more from one of Hillary's current top advisers:

''Rick Lazio can't explain why it took three months to release his taxes,'' said Howard Wolfson, a Clinton campaign spokesman. ''Now he won't come clean with New Yorkers and reveal the real cost of his reckless trillion-dollar tax plan. It's time for Mr. Lazio to stop playing games and start talking straight.''

How is Hillary going to fight Mr. Straight Talk in the fall when her own campaign isn't holding true to its own "straight talk"? She can't. Another theme Hillary won't be able to hit on.

Oh, and there's more:

Howard Wolfson, the chief spokesman for Mr. Lazio's opponent, Hillary Rodham Clinton, even showed up at a Lazio event in Harlem to fan the flames (over his tax returns).

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Clinton aide compares Obama to Ken Starr

Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson, taking the campaign a bit meta on a conference call today, attacked Obama for attacking Clinton, and compared him to a notorious Clinton foe.

"When Senator Obama was confronted with questions over whether he was ready to be Commander-in-Chief and steward of the economy, he chose not to address those questions, but to attack Senator Clinton," Wolfson said. "I for one do not believe that imitating Ken Starr is the way to win a Democratic primary election for president."

Wolfson was attacking Obama's explicit strategy, in the wake of his March 4 losses, to attack elements of Clinton's record on the grounds of secrecy, and to revisit the questions raised by Clinton foes in the 1990s and earlier. Obama has demanded Clinton's tax returns, cited delays in releasing her White House schedules, and even made reference to trades in cattle futures in the late 1970s that became a subject of allegations during the White House years.

Wolfson also responded to the substance of Obama's complaint, that Clinton hasn't released her recent tax returns, and to the reminder today that Clinton (via Wolfson) attacked her 2000 Senate rival, Rick Lazio, for failing to release his tax returns.

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What's Hillary hiding?

Remember the plagiarism charge during one of the debates:

Team DLC embedded in Clinton campaign

by kos

Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 08:27:22 AM PST

Look who's working with the Clinton campaign:

In Austin on Feb. 21, Clinton had a solid debate performance, although her aides groaned as she accused Obama of offering "change you can Xerox." The line, advisers said, was offered during debate preparation by Bruce Reed, a Clinton White House official, but onstage it came across as forced and drew boos.

Clinton is getting her debate prep from Bruce Reed, the president of the DLC.

Clinton has been silent on her leadership role at the DLC, since it's not the sort of thing that people like to trumpet anymore. Reed has been an enthusiastic surrogate for Clinton, but the candidates don't always get to choose their supporters. (Al Wynn, anyone?)

But debate prep? Team Clinton has Team DLC firmly embedded in the campaign.

Update: Remember who top Clintonista James Carville wanted as DNC chair after 2006 in his attempted party coup? DLC executive director Harold Ford, who would clearly be a finalist for the gig in a Clinton administration.



Nothing say change like the DLC!

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blocker Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:27 PM
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1. Ed schultz braught it up, lets see what the MSM say?
Probably a huge scandal for the Clinton if true!
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:23 PM
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21. Ed Schultz? what a laugh.
He is so venemous towards Clinton I'm surprised I don't hear his tail rattling from inside my radio.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:23 PM
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29. Interesting point.
Big Eddie didn't start out that way.
2 years ago he was a ProClinton era BIG TIME DLC Centrist.

NOW, after spending time learning about "Centrist" DLC Democrats, he has become more Populist.

Ed Shultz is learning & evolving.
:)
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:36 PM
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30. Well, it's more than that. He wasn't on the Edwards bandwagon
I can assure you, so I don't really think you can call him a Populist. No, I think he is the frontrunner type. He's that way in sports, and he's that way in politics. Some people are just that way.

I don't consider Obama any more progressive than Clinton. I think they're both centrist.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:28 PM
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2. Thanks.
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 12:29 PM by mmonk
It's easier to figure out who is a DLC or Clinton operative around here now.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:29 PM
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3. Clinton supporters don't CARE about simple truth or the wellbeing of the party.
They want only to serve the Clintons the same way Bushes convinced GOP faithful to serve THEIR interests over the GOPs wellbeing.
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CherokeeDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:31 PM
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4. Hypocrisy is Correct!!
I just sent emails to Lou Dobbs and to MSNBC to request that they cover this story and get the facts. If in fact, it was Senator Clinton who made this or even if both Clinton and Obama did this, then we should know. From recent information, it appears that Senator Obama really didn't do anything wrong but was attacked by Team Hillary. If she did this, then she needs to be outed for the hypocrite she is.

On my way to email Keith Olbermann now.
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blocker Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:33 PM
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7. I doubt they read every emails.
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CherokeeDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:42 PM
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14. Well, of course they don't...
but you know, if they received enough of them...they will pay attention. Besides, activism is done for the cause and hopefully to achieve the outcome desired. No one ever said our voices would be heard all of the time but when you have a voice, you ought to use it.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:41 PM
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12. How about Cafferty as well?
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CherokeeDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:43 PM
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15. Thanks....
I knew there was someone I was missing. Out of all of these goons, he might pay attention. Onward to the email...
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:40 PM
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28. I didn't think of him...just sent one his way.
Thanks. :hi:
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:26 PM
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24. Excellent idea!! We should ALL do this.
The more e-mails they receive, the more likely they are to cover it.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:31 PM
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26. I've sent CNN and MSNBC emails too, as have many others here.
Still not a peep though, as far as I know.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:32 PM
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5. I Have A Feeling She'll Be Sorry About This "Kitchen Sink" Strategy Pretty Soon
:applause:
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:33 PM
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6. K&R, and bookmarked.
Thanks for posting.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:34 PM
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8. Irony on to the GP!!!
K&R
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:35 PM
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9. Prosense, by far one of the best DU'ers ever! Your work is always appreciated!
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:39 PM
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10. agreed!
Prosense is my DU hero!

:applause:
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:42 PM
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13. Agreed.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:32 PM
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27. Three cheers for ProSense!
:toast: :bounce: :applause:
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:40 PM
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11. Kand R
Thanks for posting
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:44 PM
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16. It sort of has a fishy smell, doncha think???...n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:14 PM
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17. Thanks
for the comments and recs. :)
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:23 PM
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23. .
:pals:
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:16 PM
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18. k & R
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:18 PM
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19. why are you being sexist?
all Hillary criticism is nothing more than sexism, regardless of how much validity it has......

(or that's what some Hillary supporters say)

nice post.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:16 PM
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38. Someone accused me of that today! n/t
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:20 PM
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20. K/R--the truth is out there.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:19 PM
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22. Response to Clinton Attack: Ken Starr?
Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton:

It is absurd that after weeks of badgering the media to ‘vet’ Senator Obama, the Clinton campaign believes that they should be held to an entirely different standard. We don’t believe that expecting candidates for the presidency to disclose their tax returns somehow constitutes Ken Starr-tactics, but the kind of transparency and accountability that Americans are looking for and that’s been missing in Washington for far too long. And if Senator Clinton doesn’t think that the Republicans will ask these very same questions, then she’s not as ready to go toe-to-toe with John McCain as she claims.

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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:28 PM
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25. Hillary has turned hypocrisy into a fine art. If it were an Olympic sport, she'd win the Gold Medal.
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 02:58 PM by InAbLuEsTaTe
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:09 PM
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31. That and whining. n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 09:56 PM
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32. Shame on you, Hillary Clinton
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:54 AM
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33. You bet... DLC... Democratic Leaders for Change...!!! n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:50 PM
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37. Right! n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:27 AM
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34. Hillary on her dear friend McCain and the threshold for CIC
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:13 PM
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35. Obama's message about Hillary's dear friend: Americans can't afford John McCain
Obama on the Jobs Report: Americans can't afford John McCain:


Barack Obama on the jobs report showing that 63,000 jobs were lost in February:

The second straight month in a row of job loss is the biggest drop in five years and brings more bad news for an economy showing signs of recession and more heartache and struggle for the Americans I meet every day who are looking for work, can't pay the bills, or are worried that their job will be the next to disappear. They can't afford John McCain's promise of four more years of the very same failed Bush economic policies that have failed us for the last eight, and they can't afford another politician who promises solutions but won't change the divisive, lobbyist-driven politics in Washington. As President, I'll bring both parties together and take on the money and influence of Washington so we can restore balance to our economy, and I'll create millions of new jobs with good wages by investing in infrastructure and renewable energy.


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:57 PM
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36. Plouffe: "You have to wonder whether she'll be open and honest with the American people"

Plouffe: "You have to wonder whether she'll be open and honest with the American people"

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe returned to the issue of Clinton's secrecy today, pointing to a USA Today story that reports that Bill Clinton's instructions to the National Archive have resulted in copious redactions to documents concerning his pardons.

"Behind closed doors, they’re trying to prevent the American people from evaluating (Clinton's White House) experience," he said. "You have to wonder whether she’ll be open and honest with the American people as president."

He also noted, again, that Clinton doesn't need to wait until April 15 to release the last six years of tax returns.

Clinton is "one of the most secretive politicians in America today," he said.

Plouffe, floating the attacks, used more or less the same excuse that Clinton's advisors have in attacking -- aka "vetting" -- Obama.

"The Republicans certainly aren’t going to consider anything out of bounds," he said.

He also responded to Samantha Power's suggestion that Obama's plan for Iraq is nothing more than a "best case scenario."

Obama's plan is a "rock-solid commitment," he said.



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mculator Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:14 AM
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39. A BUMP FOR A DEBUNKED POST WITH 37 OBAMANAUT RECS
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:31 PM
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40. Thanks for the help. n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:01 AM
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41. Where's the MSM's criticism of Hillary for her campaign's smear tactics?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:09 AM
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42. ClintonCo's hypocrisy is breathtaking.
Thanks for posting this. As you can see, exposure of the truth is tough for some to digest http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5014366&mesg_id=5014366
and http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4926080&mesg_id=4926080 and I really appreciate your continued follow up of this story because it matters. The games and manipulations of the truth from ClintonCo must be exposed for what they are, a craven drive for power that is eerily starting to resemble that which led to the 2000 judicial coup d'etat.

K&R :)
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