Hillary Clinton or Ralph Nader? Which Quixotic Campaign Hurts the Party the Most?

[David Zephyr]

When the math clearly shows that the only way that Hillary Clinton can become the nominee of the Democratic Party is through a backroom deal with super delegates (which will never happen either, by the way), one has to ask: why does her campaign continue on knowing they can not win and, worse, preventing our party to unify now against John McCain and the Republicans.

Obama now has over 600,000 more popular votes than Hillary. She can not possibly overcome that staggering number.

Obama has won 26 states to her 14. There are not enough primaries left for her to overturn that insulting number.

Obama has 150 more pledged delegates with another 50 about to declare for him in the next few days.

Newsweek, CNN, The Nation (and more) have been trying to point out the futility of Hillary's campaign with regards to the math. And yet, Mark Penn seems hell-bent to drive this further and further to the point of lunacy.

Even with Rush Limbaugh marshalling his listeners to vote for Hillary in the primaries to manipulate our Party's process...even that can not change the math.

Hillary's argument is now reduced to this:

"I know I lost the popular vote by over 600,000 votes, I know I lost the great majority of state contests and didn't even compete in most of them, I know I lost the actual awarded pledged delegates,
but you super delegates owe me the nomination." How pathetic is that?

So the only way that Hillary can now win is through a backroom deal and if that happened it would bring on such a war within the party that it will make Denver 2008 look like Chicago in 1968 because the youth will not sit by and watch the victor be robbed of his crown.

At this point, I honestly believe that Hillary's impossible dream and continued desire to be president is not just futile as that of Ralph Nader, but that it is more destructive to our Party's chances of winning in November. Hillary can hurt us more than Ralp Nader now. How sad is that? No wonder Rush Limbaugh is supporting her.

[still_one]

1. The one who endorses mccain over Obama, that is the one who hurts the Dems the most /nt

[OhioChick]

12. My Thoughts Exactly. n/t

[Stephanie]

2. David, David, David. Don't you GET IT?

This is not about the party, it's not about the voters, it's not about the COUNTRY. It's all about HILLARY. She's waited patiently, it's HER TURN, and nothing's going to stand in her way, not even democracy itself.

[leftstreet]

6. ...

[David Zephyr]

10. "Her turn"

I guess we are doomed to watch this play out until the summer to the glee of the GOP.

The Clintons don't have a clue as to how they are ruining his legacy.

[Deep13]

3. Neither hurt the party.

What does is infering bad motive for a candidate who might win.

[Captain Hilts]

4. Nader's up 15% over Obama in Penn.? I didn't know that. nt

[wileedog]

7. So what?

If she wins PA she by 15% she STILL LOSES.

[Bread and Circus]

5. Actually, Hillary Clinton would be the right answer.

[Kittycat]

8. I'm going with HRC. She's proven herself to be anything BUT a Democrat the past week.

[bbgrunt]

9. well if the DLC manages to silence the DNC, I will

vote for Nader for sure.

[Armstead]

11. I'm starting to think it may be deliberate

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4927070&mesg_id=4927070

[David Zephyr]

13. Thanks for the link. I just read your OP.

I agree with you, Armstead.

Their behavior is reckless, willful and destructive. It begs the question of why, doesn't it?

[bvar22]

14. I'll take "Hillary" for $1000, Alex.

[krkaufman]

15. Ummm.... Hillary. Nader will be a non-entity in 2008, as in 2004.

(unless Hillary steals the nomination; then all bets are off)

[Jamastiene]

16. There is an interesting commentary on that here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU">The Dirty Truth About Hillary

[bridgit]

17. "Which Quixotic Campaign Hurts the Party the Most"? The one that fails to asks BO any pertinent q's

[pnwmom]

18. She's not hurting the party yet. And she's making it harder for McCain,

because he's stuck campaigning against BOTH of them, when he can get any attention at all.

[Perry Logan]

19. Next thing you know she'll be praising Ronald Reagan.

[rug]

20. She'll never stoop that low.

[rug]

21. dele

[mmonk]

22. DLC = Trojan Horse. They do more damage.