Florida and Michigan delegates will be seated

[not_too_L8]

Howard Dean says there is a way for Florida and Michigan to seat their delegates

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"All they have to do is come before us with rules that fit into what they agreed to a year and a half ago, and then they'll be seated," Dean said

link to therawstory

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Dean_urges_doover_voting_in_Fla._0306.html


I think that they should be seated if they follow the rules, and with a fair primary it should be very interesting.

I think Obama might win both states

[autorank]

1. Who benefits?n/t

[not_too_L8]

3. I think Obama might have the advantage n/t

[Ian_walker]

37. Florida and Michigan will add to Democratic Party UNITY

UNITY is not just a win. It is a LANDSLIDE.

Because voters throughout the country are now hungry for change.

They are sick of the Republicans damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit. And they are hungry for change.

If McCain has the GOP nomination over the Conservative Huckabee it just proves voters want a liberal in charge. McCain just means the Democrats have already won the next election he is already behind in the polls against both Democratic Party Candidates and that means voters even former Republicans are hungry for change. Voters hungry for change are not going to go for the half fat liberal McCain. If you want a liberal in charge your going to VOTE THE FULL CREAM and vote Democrat, Obama or Clinton.

BUT frighten a NeoConMan today with just two simple words.

DREAM TICKET

16 years of Democratic Party In Power.

[navarth]

2. He said we have to run the primaries again

which would be ok with me. To seat the Michigan delegates as things are now would be grossly unfair, craven. Senator Clinton and Congressman Kucinich were the only people on the ballot. It's impossible to seat the delegates and be fair.

IMO it's the fault of the Michigan Democratic Party. They knew they were breaking the rules.

[Adelante]

9. It's the fault of the Dem leadership in both states

I was wondering this morning if a possible solution could be in seating the delegates assigned 50-50 to each candidate, both Michigan and Florida. Michigan certainly can't afford another primary and the Florida government sort of said they would pay, but then took it back. If the DNC pays it would likely have to be caucuses. I know I don't want my dues going for expensive primaries when these two states brought this trouble on themselves. But I would like the situation resolved before the convention in a way where the states can be represented and at the same time, Governor Dean's position isn't weakened.

[autorank]

35. DNC tried to compromise with FL in a very positive way.I

It was all about the nonsense of Florida politics.

The rules were agreed to and these two states went far afield.

[Taverner]

4. I agree with the Doctor

Especially since Obama wasn't even on the MI ballot.

[msallied]

5. They shouldn't be seated, period

Be careful what you wish for, setting this kind of a precedent. Disregarding our own rules makes for sloppy politics, and the Democrats will not be taken seriously. The media will have a field-day tearing down the party for being loose on its policies just to appease a losing candidate. Yeah, that'll be GREAT for the Democratic party.

[not_too_L8]

12. I disagree

I think it has been shown that if you break party rules you will lose out. If the rogue states want to admit that they were wrong we should let them return

[msallied]

16. They DID break party rules!

Which is why they shouldn't be seated!

How spoiled are your children, if you have any? Yes, break the rules kids, we'll still let you play! Rules don't really mean anything! lol

[anigbrowl]

18. But they haven't actually lost anything as of now

If they are seated, then it means they got to vote early and have 100% of the delegates count. I am not dead against the idea but I do think it would encourage more chaos next primary season.

[Drifter]

6. Then what stops ... say ...

New York from holding another primary ?

Cheers
Drifter

[Zachstar]

8. If they pay for it.. Let them!

If they want to throw away millions of dollars then that is none of our business to tell them what they can or cant do as for as a revote.

[Dogmudgeon]

11. I believe it was accepted and certified by the Party

FL and MI were not.

According to the rules of the DNC credential committee, both FL and MI may re-submit plans to hold primaries, and they will be considered if they conform to those rules.

Sounds fair to me. I don't understand what the problem is.

--p!

[Bigleaf]

7. I was listening to CNN this morning in my car and they were

saying that Dean wanted the Michigan primary/caucus re-vote to include independents because of all the hoopla/excitement this is all generating.

Just a FYI

[Zachstar]

10. Sounds great!

However, I think it ought to be decided by whoever foots the bill for a revote. If dean wants the DNC to pay for then I say they get to choose how it is played out.

[Beregond2]

13. Dean

I think Dean is being very cagey. He knows perfectly well that those two states won't get it together to do this before the convention. There is the question of the money, the massive organizational effort involved for the states, and the costs and chaos it would mean for both campaigns. Even Hillary doesn't really want this. She doesn't have the money to campaign there for one thing. But also, she was just hoping for the prior votes to count and be added to her totals without any effort on her part. That won't happen. This is just Dean's way of saying that, while appearing to be accomodating. And good for him.

[marshall]

29. It will all boil down to money, that's right

The state doesn't want to pay it, and Dean doesn't want to pay. Where will the money come from? Poll taxes? The candidates? This whole issue is going to be one more straw on the camel's back.

[lapfog_1]

17. The DNC nor the state party

can legally pay for a re-vote primary...

And Dean is on record saying that the DNC WOULD pay the cost of a so-called "firehouse caucus" for either state that wishes to do so.

It's possible to have a new primary, but the states would have to pay for it themselves.

[Zachstar]

30. I did not know that... Can you go into additonal details please?

[lapfog_1]

31. Honestly, I don't have them

I am relying on a news story in the last few days that stated that as fact.

These days, believing the main stream media is chancy... so maybe I should have said

"I've heard from the media that the Democratic party cannot legally pay for a new primary vote in Florida"

[madfloridian]

32. That offer has been withdrawn. He said the states have to pay.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4927990&mesg_id=4927990

[lapfog_1]

34. I doubt that is cast in concrete yet.

but I still believe that what he is talking about is paying for a caucus, not a primary.

I don't believe either the DNC or the Florida Democratic party can pay (even if they wanted to) for a Florida primary. I heard this on the news yesterday after the Crist/Granholm "elect hillary", err, "seat the delegates" news conference (one wonders WHY Crist wants Hillary on the Dem ticket so bad...).

Anyway, if Dean now says that the DNC won't pay for a do-over firehouse caucus... I think that the campaigns of both Hillary and Obama might want to pay, especially if they fear the other side will win the seat/don't seat argument.

[Iceburg]

14. Interesting Dean says the DNC offered to pay for a portion of the expense

but has subsquentlly changed its mind -- what changed?

Roberts: Governor Crist says he willing to run another primary but DNC must foot the bill..."Are you willing to open up your pocketbook and payout out what some have estimated to be $25 million dollars for it?"

Dean "We offered to help the Democratic party in Florida along time ago but they turned us down. And now that time is gone and we have to focus our resources on winning."

Surely Dean isn't suggesting that when the DNC made the offer, that he did not know there was going to be a general election after the primaries?

Lame,less than honest reasoning on Dean's part.

[lapfog_1]

25. Two different topics

The DNC cannot LEGALLY pay for a state primary, and neither can the state party.

Dean has offered, more than once, to have the DNC pay for a state caucus (a "firehouse caucus").

I believe that offer is still on the table.

Crist has refused to have the state (taxpayers) pay for a primary re-do. And the state democratic leadership, so far, will not considered a state caucus.

At this point, I would say forget it. Don't let the states be represented at the convention.

The party leaders and the state governments were all told that they couldn't move their primaries ahead of Super Tuesday, they were told that if they did, the primary would not be a sanctioned primary and the delegates elected would not be seated. The two state, for purely selfish reasons - i.e. THEY wanted the candidates to appear and make promises to their voters about local issues - moved the primaries ahead anyway. Ironically, if the primaries had been left alone, or were held now, the candidates would be there talking to voters 24x7 about local issues and what each would do for Florida and Michigan if elected! But they didn't wait, they moved the primaries forward. And NOW they want representation. Screw em. The only people outside of Florida and Michigan that want the delegates seated are Clinton supporters... and that's only because she left her name on the ballot in Michigan, and had the name recognition in Florida without any chance for Floridians to hear from the other candidates. Never mind Obama, suppose Edwards had connected with Florida voters and HE had stayed in and won Florida on super Tuesday. By not campaigning in Florida, we will never know what would have happened. I feel for the voters in both states that they won't be represented at the convention... but they need better state leaders... and should take steps to get some.

[madfloridian]

33. That was for a caucus early on. They scoffed and laughed.

Dean is being more than honorable in his offers.

[autorank]

36. Dean did make an offer for caucuses, which are better for party building

You get 20,000 people out who will work in the general instead of 1 million who are voting only.

It's viewed as more selective to get feet on the ground. Florida was wacky this year.

[ellenfl]

15. for my florida vote to count, we would need a do-over.

i voted for edwards.

ellen fl

[ORDem]

19. This whole thing is a red herring thrown out by Clinton supporters.

This isn't rocket science folks. MI and FL broke the rules, they set their primaries too early. The whole primary system is already broken, let's not add more chaos to it. MI and FL are going to just have to live with it this cycle. The only reason this is brought up is because the Hillbots think it will benefit them. If they thought it would benefit Obama they wouldn't even mention it. Hillary is not interested in fair and democractic processes, she is only interested in being President.

:dem:

[kennetha]

20. Obamaniacs

Only favor democracy when it favors their interests. Deep down in their core, they thirst for power above all else. Power before principle seems to be their battle cry.

[WilyWondr]

24. Because they want to stay within the rules?

How does that show their "thirst for power"?

:crazy:

[WilyWondr]

23. You said it

:applause:

I think it took 24 hours for them to realize that they didn't win much on Tuesday.

Then they went back to this old story.

[IamyourTVandIownyou]

21. Question, when FL and MI decided to break the rules, did the DNC also deduct their delegates....

...from the required total needed by the winner?

[WilyWondr]

26. No they didn't

But that is something I think they should look at doing.

[lapfog_1]

27. yes. - n/t

[PurityOfEssence]

22. Anarchy reigns.

Great, not only will they not be punished, they'll be rewarded. If there's a revote, whole slag heaps of money will be poured into the state and they'll be the deciding factor like never before.

There ya go, folks: if you don't like rules, just flout them and you'll be richly rewarded.

How will any party order ever be maintained now?

They threw a fit and Howard Ducked.

[RiverStone]

28. I agree, a re-do would be fair for both states

The voters were screwed by the process and deserve to have a voice - AFTER we have a fair and square primary.