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mculator Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:15 PM
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The Dream Ticket vs. The Media: Republicans be Very Very Afraid
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 02:09 PM by mculator
So after Super Tuesday, the media was constantly pecking at Hillary about how Barack won more states, his winning streak, etc. He was winning consistently. After the writers' strike, however, comedians begin making fun of the media's negative coverage of the Hillary camp. The media starts pecking at Obama. Only 2 or 3 days of this happen, but is it coincidence that Hillary then wins? I know all things equal, Democrats are split about half and half right now, and that seems to be the norm in politics this century: close races everywhere. Given this, don't you think the media should show some class and cover some real issues, like the ongoing Pakistani turmoil, the energy crisis, etc? Every time I turn on the news it is a pundit whom I already know have some bias when covering one candidate or another. Today "Rolling Stone" endorses Obama, and for some reason that is supposed to constitute a consensus of important political minds whose courageous vote should somehow be newsworthy. I agree that it is certainly a monumental decision, since they have never done such a thing in a primary, but obviously they must be doing so to somehow influence myself and other readers of their now-biased publication.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-Oprah Winfrey. I know she's probably as good of a political endorsement as any superdelegate, right? Maybe she can't vote, but are votes what count? The same goes for Jack Nicholson and Clinton. Why should I care what his opinion is? The real question is, why is this newsworthy and Pakistan isn't? I'm inclined to believe it's advertising dollars, and so I'm also inclined to believe that the coverage be negative toward Obama soon if he (as he seems to be) remains the front runner. I predict that directly before Mississippi they will say it does not matter, and will give him negative press right before Pennsylvania and the like in an attempt to keep the race as close and interesting as possible. Polls that give even info will be displayed, polls that are leaning will be made to disappear.

I think that we should find a way to convince our candidates to run together. I propose that our votes continue on as planned in these primaries with more positive campaigning based around the issues, not based around defeating the other candidate. I think whoever wins the most votes, since everyone agrees that that will not be enough to "clinch" the nomination, should be the Presidential candidate and second place should be the VP candidate. We should do this with the idea of keeping the White House until 2024. When either candidate repairs the 7 years of republican damage, there will be a great argument for continuing the Democratic leadership.

We will continue our process, but it won't break up the party at ALL. It will IMPROVE our chances. There will be a practically GUARANTEED Democratic White House.



Most importantly, we will have taken the power away from the Main Stream Media by coming to a peaceful agreement.

Edit for typo.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:18 PM
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1. So many TeamClinton pushing the joint ticket because that's the ONLY WAY she has left to be on it.
Except it ain't gonna happen.

Obama AND the downticket candidates do NOT WANT Hillary dragging on the ticket.
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mculator Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:19 PM
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2. Ok so you're down with a brokered convention?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:25 PM
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3. Not gonna happen. That threat only works on the gullible. Supers are breaking significantly
for Obama because they DON'T want a brokered convention - it AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.
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mculator Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:30 PM
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4. Would it be bad if it did?
What if Hillary came out and proposed it herself? This is hypothetical and in full knowledge that she might be VP. Wouldn't it guarantee a 2016' win, and the whole slate of good ideas to the White House?

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:37 PM
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5. No - because Obama and downticket candidates have internal polls showing she drags the ticket
and they are NOT going to risk their elections so TeamClinton can feel it won something.
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mculator Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:39 PM
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6. Today's polls
Showed her beating McCain by 6% and Obama beating him by 12%. Her lead is more stable, as Obama has been polling way up, way down, and equal throughout the campaign. Attitudes toward her are unlikely to change, thereby adding a stability to the ticket actually. I also think Hillary haters will rethink Hillary if she is willing to run as his VP.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:43 PM
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7. Those polls are BS. Internal polls show a whole other story and are done in a
comprehensive manner that is much more accurate for planning the campaign ahead.
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mculator Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:49 PM
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8. How exactly would making both camps happy hurt the Dems?
Even though the current hot poll in the DU shows Hillary haters to outnumber Obama supporting Democrats, I simply can't believe that the majority of Obama Democrats wouldn't enjoy the company of the rest.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:56 PM
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9. The camps aren't the downticket Dem candidates or the Independent voters that Dems need
as well to win in Nov.
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mculator Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:58 PM
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10. Why do we need independant voters?
When McCain is hugging George Bush? Wouldn't it be better for Democrats to not make promises and to pursue a liberal agenda?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:01 PM
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11. Clinton style triangulation won't gain Independent voters but Obama will WITH more progressive
agenda wrapped in a smarter framing using a moderate tone that Independents will find attractive.

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mculator Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:03 PM
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12. So who would be aa better VP for Obama if he wins?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:05 PM
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13. From my pov I think Biden would be the SMARTEST choice.
But that doesn't mean there aren't other good choices.
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mculator Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:07 PM
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14. And what would be the best choice if Hillary wins for her?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:10 PM
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15. Doesn't matter. It isn't happening.
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 02:10 PM by blm
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mculator Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:10 PM
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16. Gotcha, Hillary Hater!
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 02:12 PM by mculator
If we come out in favor of a dream ticket, the republicans will lose!

Edited to add:

Your edit from "Doesn't matter" to include "it isn't happening" was timeless.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:13 PM
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18. It isn't happening and hating Hillary has nothing to do with that reality.
I hate closed government. If a Dem sides with closed government I will work against them. If a Dem sides with Open Government I will work FOR them.

What are YOUR priorities? Are you an Open Government Hater? A Closed Government Protector?
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mculator Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:16 PM
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20. The dream ticket exposes anti-hillary voters.
It clearly could happen or the media would put up the words: CNN projection: Obama to win nomination.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:23 PM
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22. Closed government protectors exposes fascism. Can't people be NOT for Hillary because she
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 02:23 PM by blm
sides with protecting the secrecy and privilege of closed government?

Are all of you so narrow in your thinking that you have reduced your debate down to the Junior High game of Love/Hate? Have any of you even read the National Security Archives or any of the congressional records of the last 30 years?

I highly doubt it. Junior High playground debate seems to be all you have.
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mculator Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:25 PM
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23. Be realistic.
A Dream Ticket is labeled so for a reason.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:40 PM
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26. by lazy minded who care nothing about the citizen or open government issue.
.
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mculator Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:41 PM
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27. I'll vote for either
Dream ticket or no Dream Ticket.
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mculator Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:46 PM
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28. More than Dodd?
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:12 PM
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17. we're down with President Obama
Hillary is done.
Smellulator.
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mculator Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:21 PM
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21. Good one.
Do you give comedy lessons, man?
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:32 PM
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24. just life lessons... wanna get schooled?
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mculator Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:33 PM
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25. You play right into the point of the message.
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 02:34 PM by mculator
Dream Ticket idea exposes who is anti-Hill.
Ed: And make sure the non-Hillary Haters hear you. Namecalling lessons? Let me try one: JackoffRoves?
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:02 PM
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29. You have no point. Hillary has lost and is now desperate to get on any ticket.
She deserves no reward for the way she has behaved.
She is not entitled to be on the ticket by deed or seniority.

She blew her chance. Deal with it, Mr. McCainulator.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:51 PM
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31. Jack Jack Jack Stop It Man I'm At Work I Can't Stop Laughing
smellulator? McCainulator? :thumbsup: :loveya: Why are you even bothering with that obvious one hit wonder?
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:10 PM
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35. humor is never a bother
;)
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:53 PM
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32. There Is A Point To Your Message?
Grab a clue, if you want to communicate a message you don't do it by writing it on the door of a toilet stall.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:56 PM
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33. Some of the funniest things I've ever seen in my life were written
on the door of a toilet stall.

Hillary's healthcare plan for instance.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:02 PM
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34. It Is A Good Place For Shit..... Like Hillary's Health Care PharmaBlowJob
Er, I mean plan. :hi:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:45 PM
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36. Thanks for the smilie
It's my first one here :)

Health Care PharmaBlowJob :rofl:
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mculator Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:46 PM
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38. Hah
Your messages are pure shit.
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mculator Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:14 PM
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19. As I said, The Dream Ticket will expose who is for Obama and who is anti-Hillary.
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 02:14 PM by mculator
So Hillary supporters, go for the Dream Ticket! If Hillary Haters are exposed, it will turn the non-haters on to the Dream Ticket idea as well.

edited to add: The proof is in the thread above.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:42 PM
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30. So you say - but no one with a grasp of the historic record cares much for Love/Hate debate
promoted by those with a childlike view of contest.

There are legitimate reasons to NOT want your silly 'dream ticket' scenario to happen.

Hating Hillary (as you call it) would NOT be on that list.
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mculator Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:44 PM
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37. you and the freepers
both fear the dream ticket
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