This Obama supporter says he should come out for MI, FL redo.

[TheZug]

Get out in front of this. Say you support it. Don't make it look like you're trying to keep it from happening.

If you don't, and they have a redo, it won't go well for you.

And if you win the nomination while fighting to keep MI and FL from being seated, it won't go well for you in the general. Florida may not be winnable, but you'll need Michigan.

Seize the moment.

[TwilightGardener]

1. I think he should just say he'll abide by what Dean decides. Stay neutral.

[truebrit71]

5. That's what he has been saying all along iirc...

...leave it up to the DNC...and let HRC look like a shill asking for something she agreed she couldn't have...

[billbuckhead]

6. Hillary's opponent has had Dean running interference from the start

Anything to not count votes of actual Democrats, that would hurt Hillary's desperate opponent.

[BOSSHOG]

7. Dean says the state's would have to pay for any redo. The governor

of Florida says the parties will have to pay for it. This might not be going anywhere. The folks in those two states fucked themselves (or their leaders fucked them.)

[JimGinPA]

9. I Agree...

:toast:

[tyne]

2. Agreed!

Worse case scenario is that they'll spend tens of millions of dollars and Hillary will net 6 delegates.

But, if they want to have a do-over? Bring it on! We're afraid of NOTHING!

[Birthmark]

3. Thanks...from a FL voter

You're right. Obama should follow the example of Aristides. I shall then be forced to concede that Obama ISN'T a typical politician. That's a big concession! :)

[European Socialist]

4. why not a 50/50 split--saves money--close to what it would be anyway.

[Lucinda]

8. If they do a 50/50 split, there would be no point in counting them at all.

[Zachstar]

13. Becuase that will piss people off on both sides.

There is nothing really wrong with it but Clinton supports will go ape shit over what they think ought to be a huge win for Clinton and some Obama supporters like me feel that Obama can have a win there if there is time for him to get his message out and time to expose Clinton for what she really is.

If they want to agree to a 50/50 then fine.. so be it.. But don't expect people to be really pleased with it.

[flyarm]

18. because people didn't vote 50-50..at least not in Fla.

and Edwards was still a viable candidate on our ballot.
Edwards won more counties in Fla than Obama did..yes they were small counties ..but so were some of Obama's..

( dixiecrats)

50-50 ..would cause a shit storm in Fla..i can assure you of that..and it would never ever be agreed upon.

Hillary won Fla by approx 400,000 votes...almost 1/2 a million..many many of the states Obama has won only had 30,000 voters! or so..and those were open primaries..

florida is a closed state./only registered dems can vote in our primary..so this is a pure dem vote..not dirty shit from repigs and indy's crossing over trying to screw our primary


we had 1.7 million registered democrats vote in our Fla primary..a record.

the DNC better stop screwing with the dems in Fla..or they will switch over to McCain..people down here know Dean is supporting Obama..and the Fla dems overwhelmingly voted for Hillary..they are not going to take much more shit from Dean..Dean has become enemy #1 down here with many many dems.( rightly or wrongly..i won't put a dog in that fight)

fly..a 2004 dem delegate for Florida

[LSparkle]

19. Hillary "won" thanks largely to name recognition

Obama's strong point is his CAMPAIGNING. History has
proven during this primary season that once he gets on
the ground and voters are introduced to him in person,
her leads evaporate. He wasn't able to do that kind of
in-person campaigning in Florida, hence his loss.

I'm in favor of do-overs in both states, but especially
in Michigan, where only Clinton and Kucinich were on the
ballot. ("Uncommitted" is NOT a candidate, sorry!) As
a caller on Stephanie Miller's show said this morning,
Obama ought to say something like, "I will not accept
the Democratic nomination unless the voices of the
voters of Michigan and Florida are considered, and I
urge both states to hold new primaries."

[flyarm]

23. ahhh the only candidate who had commericals coming into Fla the week before

the election was..OBAMA

he got permission from SC dem party..but he broke his pledge..the only candidate among them all who did..

do you honestly think we are stupid here ??????????

we already know the Black Superdelegates are being threatened by the Obama crew..and what do you think will be done to our people here in fla..more threats?????????//

Do you Obama people really think we are stupid here in Fla..well we are not..

and this has been being sent to every dem in my county..

the only candidate who broke the rules and pledge has been Obama..

and ya know what..older folks don't take kindly to that tactic..the threat tactic used by the Obama bunch doesn't play well with these older folks..

and cheating and then lying about it..doesn't work either...



maybe this is all new to the rest of the country..but we Floridians have bee well aware of what has been going on...and Obama was the first and only candidate to come into Fla before the primary and tell the voters he would seat the delegation..hell the ink was hardly dry for the pledge he signed...

funny..he thinks we won't remember this..eh???????


http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/sep/30/obama-vows-do-whats-right/?news-breaking

Obama Vows To 'Do What's Right'

By WILLIAM MARCH and ELAINE SILVESTRINI The Tampa Tribune

Published: September 30, 2007

Fundraising Totals | Primary States | Where They Stand

TAMPA - Barack Obama hinted during a Tampa fundraiser Sunday that if he's the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, he'll seat a Florida delegation at the party's national convention, despite national party sanctions prohibiting it.

Obama also appeared to violate a pledge he and the other leading candidates took by holding a brief news conference outside the fundraiser. That was less than a day after the pledge took effect Saturday, and Obama is the first Democratic presidential candidate to visit Florida since then.

Obama and others have pledged not to campaign in Florida until the Jan. 29 primary except for fundraising, which is what he was doing in Tampa.

But after the fundraiser at the Hyde Park home of Tom and Linda Scarritt, Obama crossed the street to take half a dozen questions from reporters waiting there.

The pledge covers anything referred to in Democratic National Committee rules as "campaigning," and those include "holding news conferences."

Obama seemed unaware the pledge he signed prohibits news conferences. Asked whether he was violating it, he said, "I was just doing you guys a favor. … If that's the case, then we won't do it again."

[LSparkle]

26. Thanks for the education about the press conference

I was aware that he'd bought cable ads that ran nationally
(so he couldn't pull FLA out) but I wasn't aware that he broke
the pledge by the press conference.

Of the two states, I think Florida has a better claim to
seating its delegates since at least all candidates' names
were on the ballot, but the DNC really needs to come up
with a solution for Michigan, which was a really unfair
contest (IMHO).

[theboss]

10. It's really in the DNC's hands

I think most voters are smart enough to recognize the mess that was made of this. And no voter is going to punish a specific candidate for it.

[TheZug]

11. If money's the problem, how about the Clinton and Obama campaigns SPLIT part of the cost?

[Zachstar]

They cant be involved!

I think that is against the law for one thing. And the other is that it ruins the already small chances for any others who might have been written in.

The money question has to be decided outside of the campaigns.

[TheZug]

15. Oh, well. Didn't know that.

[flyarm]

21. you are only kidding yourself...that fish won't bite here in SW Fla!! eom

[GodlessBiker]

12. Four years from now, states will do what they want knowing they can always have a do-over.

[TheZug]

14. True, but I'm saying this would be a winning tactic for Obama.

The primary system is screwed to hell, and not seating these delegates won't fix the problem in the long run.

He shouldn't wait until HRC endorses a redo.

He should do it first.

[GodlessBiker]

16. Enough of "tactics." These cynical efforts are what turn voters off.

[TheZug]

17. Oh, for frick's sake. Every campaign makes strategic decisions.

[GodlessBiker]

22. It would be a decision that would show he cares little about future election years.

To do something that might get the best of your opponent, with the knowledge that it would fuck things up even more in the future, is not the kind of decision voters like to see.

[flyarm]

24. Hillary has been endorsing it..Obama doesn't want it..period..

he will lose Florida by even a bigger number..he lost by 400,000

he is trying toi get the delegates split..

that won't happen..

that will be the fight of the century.

and that will destroy the dem party ..at least in Fla..

you know a huge voting block and contributors..

yeah that group

fly

[closeupready]

20. I'd be fine with a re-do, not seating current delegates.

n/t

[zulchzulu]

25. Who pays for it? MI and FL Dem officials don't want to pony up...

They broke the rules and knew it. So we reward them with an election out of our pockets?