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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:44 PM
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Hillary just had a press briefing and they started asking her about things she won't answer.
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 02:45 PM by jenmito
It was a briefing with all these generals talking about how great and experienced Hillary is and then she took some questions. I wish I had them memorized, but one reporter asked her about Terry McCauliffe loaning her $1.5 million for her house in Chappaqua and she wouldn't answer, only saying there are "reams of records out there." And she was asked about one of Wolfson's statement about Rezko (IIRC) and she had no comment and turned to the next question. No wonder she wants a positive campaign run by OBAMA now. :D
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:45 PM
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1. ruh roe.
ding dong, the . . . .
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:48 PM
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7. Yup.
I guess she's gonna regret throwing the kitchen sink at Obama. There wasn't much in it.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:05 PM
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41. But her own kitchen sink is pretty full.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:07 PM
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46. And it's about to be thrown at her.
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Mudcat Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:54 PM
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79. lol n/t
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surfin Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:35 PM
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91. Ask her why she demanded Rick Lazio's tax records and acted like Ken Starr doing it?
I was amazed to see this on here. But the Clintons should not amaze me at what hypocrites they are.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:46 PM
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2. will await the transcript. The Vetting! It BURNS.
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:48 PM
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8. lol... I'm melting.....
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:02 PM
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68. What a world! what a world!
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:03 PM
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83. with the white hot heat of a thousand suns...
You should pop over to Kos, they are doing all kinds of "vetting". Holy shit. I wouldn't want them pissed at ME!
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:47 PM
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3. Yet reporters acted like Obama was being EVASIVE for not
going over the Rezko stuff again and again. Likewise, his
response was that there were "reams of records out there"
yet Wolfson and co. castigated him for "not answering the
questions."

:eyes:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:57 PM
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30. Exactly. I think they'll be sorry!
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:48 PM
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4. What channel?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:49 PM
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9. Cnn.com.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:54 PM
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22. Thank you! I have MSNBC on in the background because they said there
was going to be a press conference soon, and hadn't heard it start.
Weird.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:56 PM
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25. They always say they'll "monitor" it and then don't let us hear it. n/t
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:00 PM
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34. They keep ya hanging around that way.
:)
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:05 PM
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43. I know. I don't fall for it anymore.
CNN.COM has live streaming video.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:13 PM
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52. I was on dial-up till a week ago. Video watching was a fantasy so
I never think about web news.
Guess I need to rethink they way I keep up to date! :)
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:44 PM
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62. Well, glad you have better ability to view stuff online now.
:)
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:48 PM
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5. Hillary answered the questions...you just didn't like her answers..
so, you chose to smear her with a LIE!

You're a JOKE!

:rofl:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:49 PM
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11. Then what were her answers?
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:50 PM
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12. come on...you can do better than that?
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 02:50 PM by rndmprsn
your replies are like clintons...empty and negative.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:51 PM
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15. She didn't answer jackshit...




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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:01 PM
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36. Can't wait to see the tape.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:51 PM
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16. Clinton Bunker Mentality, setting in here. Losing touch with reality. Sad.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:53 PM
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20. Hey, when is Hillary going to release her tax returns?
Maybe you know?:shrug:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:55 PM
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23. Looks like s/he's MIA!
:shrug:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:57 PM
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29. They're in my back pocket...and I'M not releasing them..
now YOU know!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:59 PM
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32. So what were her answers to those questions?????
You don't know! :rofl:
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surfin Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:37 PM
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92. She keeps asking for xerox machines and none of the young people
she asked know what it is. Hillary "Ken Starr" Clinton attacked Rick Lazio for not releasing his tax return.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:08 PM
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47. "No Comment"? Looks like Hillary is a hostile witness...
Not being very helpful, is she?


Clearly hiding something. Probably a lot of something.

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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:24 PM
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59. Are you related to Bagdhad Bob?
or just a devotee of his work?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:02 PM
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82. Hillaryis44 is full of Bagdhad Bobs!
But they ain't witty like the original.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:48 PM
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6. Hope to see some of the good stuff on KO tonight!
:bounce:

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:51 PM
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17. She only took a few questions. I recognized Andrea Mitchell's voice asking about FL and MI.
And of course she said the voters shouldn't be "disenfranchized." I think it was Ed Henry who asked about McCauliffe...
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:49 PM
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10. LOL! My husband thinks most of those "Generals" were bought--
he's been in the military for almost 17 years, and as an officer, he can count on his hand how many senior officers are Democrats. And he never counted ANY who like the Clintons--the military loathes the Clintons as much as Bill proclaimed to loathe the military. I wonder what they paid or promised these Generals?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:52 PM
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19. I bet they were! n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:58 PM
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31. I wonder what all the clinton
high mucky muck supporters are thinking? There's at least one ..an early one who changed his mind, Congressman, John Lewis, Georgia.

If Obama gets to be Prez it will be interesting to see how some of these "the inevitable one" supporters react.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:02 PM
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38. Big ol' honkin' defense contracts, that's what.
That panel contains the CEOs of all the new Blackwaters that will be spawned if she's elected.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:08 PM
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48. I've wondered when the media would
question that the media comments that HRC was very well liked and respected by the military. It had seemed unlikely to me as the reports during the Clinton years were always that he had a pretty cold relationship with them.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:01 PM
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81. The question should be which defense contractor are those generals working for now?
The Pentagon has a revolving door when it comes to retired military going to work for the defense industry.
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:20 PM
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84. General Zinni is not among that group, he is a well respected ret. marine
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 05:20 PM by caligirl
and specifically said he would not endorse a candidate to avoid any advice he would give or comment he might make from being tainted. T%his guy is a marines general and highly respected as such.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:04 PM
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86. Seats on corporate boards - that suplements the military pension nicely.
Getting on corporate boards is a sweet deal! Just ask Hillary.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:50 PM
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13. Hillary wanted to play rough...well, here's some medicine...





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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:27 PM
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60. that's the problem with unleashing hell. her side just bringing up
ken starr against obama invites all this. I personally find it amusing to think that she thinks they won't turn on her.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:51 PM
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14. She sounds just like the Republicans -- "That's old news."
Reminds of Schwarzenegger here in California. When he apologized to all the women he groped, he promised to elucidate when the campaign was over. I'll never forget at a press conference when asked, he smugly said, "That's old news" and walked off the stage.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:05 PM
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42. It was the RW line used when Downing Street Memo came out too.
"Oh it's old news. who cares."
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:06 PM
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87. "Old news!?!?!" Like her 35 years of irrelevant experience?
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:52 PM
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18. oh btw...K&R
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 02:54 PM by rndmprsn
because clinton needs to be vetted...no one will take her at her word anymore =]

its going to be a LONG 7 weeks for the clintons
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:54 PM
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21. Thanks, rndmprsn...
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 02:54 PM by jenmito
She sure does. And if she refuses to answer, she will look just like Bush.
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:55 PM
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24. both are super-secretive...we don't need another one of those in our white house
for sure
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:57 PM
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27. Yup. And I can't wait 'til that side of them comes back to light.
She'll be sunk.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:56 PM
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26. Did Hillary Clinton actually say that she wants...
...Obama to run a positive campaign?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:00 PM
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35. There's a thread about it. Something like she's challening him to run a positive campaign!
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 03:02 PM by jenmito
:rofl:
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:39 PM
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61. Man, she is a shameless...
<censored> and a real <censored> <censored>.

No wonder Bill cheats like a weasel in heat. She's a manipulative, self-serving <censored> with
absolutely no shame or self awareness.

After living in the same house with that <censored>, I'd be humping the couch on a regular basis, just to release the
mountain of tension and incessant need to bash my head in with my golf cleats.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:54 PM
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78. And when all fails, Hillary will play the sympathy card to get gullible women to feel sorry for her.
Hillary belongs in a TV soap opera!
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:28 AM
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101. spot on!!!
I tire of her Drama.
FLA and Mich should count!!! She (nor anyone else) will not pay for a primary! Hillary is allergic to Caucus.

so just change the rules so she can win!

Blah!!!
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:19 PM
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97. Really?
After braging that they were using the kitchen sink method?

The woman's gut chutzpah - no denying.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:50 PM
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99. Yup! It seems she can dish it out but she can't take it. n/t
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:57 PM
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28. Is Obama a reprobate? I ask this because seems to me now
that since some honest reporters are digging deeper into who played the race card prior to South Carolina. It is becoming apparent from reports that it was the obama campaign along with some go along reporters that played the race card and also are guilty of race baiting.



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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:31 PM
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88. A reprobate would be a general who orders cluster bombs dropped on civilian areas.
or a New York Senator who voted AGAINST a ban on cluster bombs. Do you know what country dropped cluster bombs just before a ceasefire? I thought you would.

A definition of reprobate: A morally unprincipled person. One who is predestined to damnation.
Shameless.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:51 PM
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95. Good reply to shameless people!
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:59 PM
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33. Looks like the "kitchen sink" strategy has boomeranged.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:02 PM
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37. Yesterday this forum seemed very subdued, but today I'm getting the vibe
that all hell is about to break loose. I think Hillary was given the signal to retire gracefully or else, and she failed to heed the warning.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:04 PM
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40. I feel the same way...
Obama's about to fight back without the personal smears/innuendos, and I bet the SDs will flock to him.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:08 PM
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49. I don't think Obama has to say a word, but I expect Senator Durbin
and others are about to drop a series of bombs. We're not the only ones to have had enough of the Clintons and the DLC!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:11 PM
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51. True. It's only gonna get worse for her over time.
She'll end up being told to get out of the race for her OWN good!
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:14 PM
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53. I should clarify that Durbin will not have to smear Clinton, either,
just start asking about the facts. For example, just who has Bill been working for in recent years, and what was he paid? Bill should have no problem at all explaining how he's been worth $35 million to people.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:33 PM
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89. But Las Clintonistas label all unflattering facts as smears.
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TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:03 PM
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39. Whatever wrongs she may have committed, they were for America.
Because she cares about this country, she really does.

*sob*
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:06 PM
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44. Was that $1.5 million from the DNC coffers, since we know McAwful never help the party
get our people elected.

Wolfson was head of the DCCC in 2000 and 2004.

How many seats did he pick up for us during his time there?.?.?

Those guys are nothing but charlatans.


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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:06 PM
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45. To refresh your memories about how the Clintons bought their house:

September 4, 1999
Financial Engineering in the Clinton House Deal

By ROBERT D. HERSHEY JR.
The package that the cash-strapped First Family will use to buy a $1.7 million house in Chappaqua, N.Y., is a clever and unusual piece of financial engineering designed to avoid tax and other pitfalls, real estate and financial specialists said today.

The deal calls for Terry McAuliffe, President Clinton's chief political fund-raiser, to personally supply $1.35 million in collateral that the lender, Bankers Trust Private Banking, could seize should the Clintons fail to make payments on a house costing more than three times what a Presidential salary could support.

Some private analysts said they were struck by what a good deal it appeared to be for the Clintons -- even though the bank itself, with whom three Clinton Administration aides or friends have had ties, seemed to have not been particularly generous.

For one thing, Bankers Trust, which was acquired in June by Deutsche Bank, would not want to have to explain to examiners an ostensibly uneconomic loan to a couple with negative net worth because of $5.5 million in legal debts, a sum that far exceeds their assets of about $1.5 million.....http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D00E5D8133AF937A3575AC0A96F958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print....

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:09 PM
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50. Thanks for the article. This is gonna get good...
for Obama!
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:17 PM
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54. Future Income
Lots of chits to cash in and testimonials to collect checks on.


Bankers Trust Private Banking. Not some place we little people go to get a loan.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:35 PM
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90. Cash strapped in '99; worth $35 million in 2006 - THE AMERICAN DREAM!
Who says it's dead ! ! !
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Johnny Potpie Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:19 PM
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55. There's alot wrong
with the Clinton's. That's why we need new blood. Hillary's skeletons are her problem. And her own fault. In the meantime, the Democratic Party must choose a leader we can trust. Obama is that person. Time to wake up and get onboard.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:46 PM
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64. I'm sure LOTS of people agree...
as will the SDs soon.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:19 PM
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56. Don't throw kitchen sinks at rubber walls
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:59 PM
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67. That sounds like the voice of reason.
:)
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:21 PM
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57. linky??
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:47 PM
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65. I don't have one. I saw it on cnn.com/live.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:23 PM
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58. Anyone have a link or transcript?
would love to see this.


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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:45 PM
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63. Heh.
Fitting.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:48 PM
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66. The question she had no comment at all was re: Wolfson's comment that Obama was running his
campaign like he's Kenneth Starr.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:05 PM
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69. oh, this sounds
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 04:05 PM by indimuse
like...GAME ON!!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:08 PM
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71. It's ON!
:hi:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:44 PM
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94. Car!
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ForeignSpectator Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 06:21 AM
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100. Wow, hillary is sexy, except that is Angelina Jolie right? n/t
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canuk1 Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:06 PM
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70. why didn't they ask her about bible gate
See drudge report. Hillary claims she saw the holy spirit. In the article she claims the bible should be taken literally. If thats the case Bill is going to hell for sure. Does she also believe the earth is only 3000 years old?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:09 PM
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72. I hadn't read about that...
yet. Thanks. :hi:
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:27 PM
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85. I don't do Drudge, but Hillary has been a member of the Fellowship on
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:29 PM
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73. Hillary's kitchen sink is now belching back all vile up from the plumbing.
That's one smelly kitchen sink.

People that live in glass houses should not throw stones.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:32 PM
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74. yah, well Hillary sometimes "Experience" is a bastard-
you said you were ready for this-

:shrug:

peace~
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:42 PM
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75. Not to mention her yet-to-be-vetted finances.
I can't wait!
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jeffrey_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:49 PM
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76. Did she just laugh out loud?
eom
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:52 PM
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77. In response to what?
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:55 PM
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80. "Won't answer"? Fine. Pennsylvania "undecideds" are going to love that approach.
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 04:57 PM by chill_wind
Are there any debates left/upcoming for Pa and the other states? Obama needs that format to call her out quite finally and forcefully in front of a national audience. The daily MSM **is not** going to do this for him. They're all too busy crying crocky-dile contrite tears of "how terribly too mean they've been to Hillary."
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:39 PM
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93. Here Are a Sampling of Hillary's Skeletons (More to Come)
Courtesy of The New Republic, here's a small sampling of what to expect should Clinton go up against McCain. Compare it to Obama's transactions with Rezko. Why does Clinton really want to go the way of pain?

----


THE DONOR
Norman Hsu, Hong Kong "apparel executive."


THE GREEN
Hsu bundled more than $850,000 for Hillary's presidential campaign and $260,000 for Clinton's Senate races.


THE SCANDAL
Hsu parlayed his charming, obsequious personality into a spot as one of the top twenty Democratic fund-raisers nationwide. Problem is, he turned out to be a convicted felon, on the lam since 1992 due to a grand theft conviction. Then, this December, Hsu was indicted for running a pyramid scheme that defrauded investors out of at least $20 million and that made $25,000 a year in fraudulent political donations.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR (on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 somewhat sleazy and 10 stupendously so)
8. Hsu missed his initial (September 5) court date for the 1992 grand theft charge, only to be apprehended a day later on a train in Colorado; he was "freaked out," shirtless, shoeless, and holding a suitcase packed with Tiffany jewelry and $7,000 in cash. Now in federal custody, he confessed to running "phony" companies and leaning on investors to make political donations.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS (on a scale of 1 to 10)
7. Extensive Hsu coverage stretched out over several news cycles during Hillary's presidential campaign, and the sordid details of the affair--the pyramid schemes, the links to Asian gangs, the eccentric professional con artist himself--stirred up memories of Clinton fund-raising scandals past. Hillary blamed the fiasco on errors in the donor-screening process.


**


THE DONORS
Marc Rich, fugitive American businessman; Denise Rich, songwriter and socialite.


THE GREEN
Denise Rich contributed $70,000 to Hillary's Senate campaign and $450,000 to the Clinton presidential library fund.


THE SCANDAL
Over seventeen years after Marc Rich fled to Switzerland to avoid charges of racketeering, illegal trading, and tax evasion (he owed $48 million), Bill Clinton pardoned Rich during his last moments in the White House. His ex-wife Denise's generous donations and Friend of Bill status gave the pardon a particularly rotten stench.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
7.5. Rich has been accused of a long list of white-collar crimes. The classiest: trading with Iran while the country was still holding U.S. hostages.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
9.5. As Hillary began her career in the Senate, a media frenzy and investigations in both houses of Congress and the Justice Department were launched to see if Denise's contributions bought her ex-husband's pardon. Though the president was never indicted for wrongdoing, the Rich affair is often mentioned as Exhibit A of Clintonian sliminess.


**


THE DONOR
Aaron Tonken, former Hollywood fund-raiser, current federal penitentiary inmate in California.


THE GREEN
In 2000 he hosted a fund-raiser that took in more than $1 million for Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign.


THE SCANDAL
Tonken originally drew interest from the FBI for failing to report some donations from the event to the FEC. Although he was never charged for election-law violations, in 2003 he pleaded guilty to stealing from charities, including, according to an ABC News report, the Betty Ford clinic. He is currently serving a five-year sentence for mail and wire fraud.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
9. The self-described con man got his start in Hollywood as Zsa Zsa Gabor's dog keeper. He sold stories about her to tabloids and snuck tourists into her dilapidated, dog feces-ridden mansion while she was out of town. In his memoir, King of Cons, Tonken wrote, "In a land of moral imbeciles, I knew I could be king."


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
4. A fund-raising committee for Hillary Clinton's 2000 campaign had to pay $35,000 in fines to the FEC for underreporting the costs of the gala, even though a federal inquiry failed to find any culpability on the Clintons' part. The financial burden to the Clinton campaign was insignificant--the real harm done was in the image of guilt by association.


**


THE DONOR
Peter F. Paul, renaissance man, jack of all trades.


THE GREEN
He co-hosted the 2000 fund-raiser with Tonken.


THE SCANDAL
How did Paul underwrite the gala? According to The Washington Post, by improperly borrowing more than $4 million from Merrill Lynch. Shortly after that was discovered, Paul hopped a plane to Brazil and spent years waging a two-front war: fighting extradition and trying to sue Hillary for underreporting the value of the event. In 2003, Paul was extradited to the U.S., and Clinton agreed to pay a $35,000 fine to the Federal Election Commission.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
9.5. You've gotta give this guy credit for flamboyance. According to The Washington Post, Paul's laundry list of crimes includes a 1970s plot to sell $8.75 million worth of nonexistent coffee beans to Fidel Castro--the plan was to sink an empty cargo ship before it reached Cuba so he could keep the cash. In 1979, he was imprisoned for fraud and cocaine possession, then later violated parole, reportedly fleeing to Canada with a dead man's identity. After his release from prison in the '80s, he served as partner and manager to Fabio.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
4. Hillary offered the same explanation for missing Paul's criminal background as she gave for missing Norman Hsu's: technical errors in the vetting process. It worked--by 2008, most Americans have forgotten about Peter F. Paul.


**


THE DONOR
Sant S. Chatwal, founder of Bombay Palace restaurants.


THE GREEN
In 2000, Chatwal hosted a half-million dollar fund-raiser for Clinton in New York. In 2007, he declared his intentions to raise $5 million for Hillary's presidential campaign.


THE SCANDAL
According to The Washington Post, as of September 2007, The IRS was pursuing him for $4 million in back taxes, the State of New York for another $5 million, and the FDIC is suing himin connection with a failed bank venture. The Post wrote, "Yet none of the legal and financial woes--occasionally touched on in American or Indian newspapers or highlighted by political opponents--raised red flags inside Hillary Clinton's fund-raising operation."


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
4. Though Chatwal's legal troubles span several suits and two continents (he's also been charged with bank fraud in India), his alleged crimes lack the color and imagination of, say, a Peter F. Paul.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
1. So far, none. But if any of the lawsuits against him come to a head during election season, the timing would be awful for Clinton.


**


THE DONORS
International Profit Associates (IPA), an Illinois-based management consulting and business development company.


THE GREEN
Bill Clinton pocketed $125,000 for addressing IPA workers in December 2001. The Chicago Sun-Times reported that firm employees have forked over nearly $130,000 in contributions to Hillary's Senate campaigns since 2000.


THE SCANDAL
IPA has faced a string of scandals--most notably, a widely reported sexual harassment suit involving 113 former female employees. Two of them told their stories on a 2005 episode of "Oprah Winfrey Show."


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
8.5. The harassment suit included accusations that the CEO offered money to a female employee in exchange for sex and that a sales manager would pin female employees up against the wall and ask if they enjoyed intercourse.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
3. Though never a large-scale national scandal, it doesn't look good that Hillary has, in effect, shrugged off what the lead attorney for the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (the federal agency leading the investigation) called one of the "most egregious case of sex harassment that the Chicago district office has seen." Senator Clinton--unlike other politicians who received campaign donations from IPA employees, such as Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich and Wisconsin Governor Jim Doyle--has opted not to return the contributions.


**


THE REELECTION FUND-RAISING FIASCO

The tangled web of scandals associated with the Clinton-Gore reelection campaign in 1996 led to hearings by a Senate committee led by Fred Thompson. Though Thompson's hearings are widely considered to have been a bust, several unsavory characters came to light.



THE DONOR
Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie, Taiwanese-Arkansan restaurateur-turned-fund-raiser.


THE GREEN
Trie funnelled more than $2.2 million, much of it from foreign corporate donors, to the DNC from 1994-1996 and helped pay $460,000 of the Clintons' legal bills between 1994-1997.


THE SCANDAL
Trie, who knew Clinton from his days as the owner of the Fu Lin restaurant in Little Rock, moved to Washington in 1994 and began donating to the Clintons and the DNC through various shady channels, including through "straw donors," typically poor legal immigrants who stand in for foreign businesspeople.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
7. Trie was notorious for peddling access to President Clinton. Most distressingly, he set up a White House coffee klatch with a Chinese arms dealer.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
7. Trie earned the dubious distinction of being the first Clinton donor indicted during the Justice Department's 1997 campaign finance investigation.


**


THE DONOR
John Huang, businessman and Commerce Department official under the Clinton administration from 1993 to 1995.


THE GREEN
He raised $3.4 million for the DNC in 1996. Most of it has since been returned.


THE SCANDAL
In 1996 Huang solicited an illegal donation of $250,000 from a company in South Korea, as well as $425,000 from donors whose U.S. citizenship was an issue of contention. He also co-organized a 1996 fund-raising event at the Hsi Lai Temple in Southern California, where monks and nuns under an oath of poverty mysteriously contributed large sums of money to the DNC. It was later revealed that they were reimbursed for their donations by the church, and the money had to be returned.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
7.5. Thompson's committee suggested darkly that Huang may have been acting as an "agent of influence" for China, though the committee ultimately had scant evidence supporting the plot.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
8. Considerable. Though the money he raised was primarily for the DNC, Huang had remarkable access to the president and the West Wing. The Commerce Department even gave him a top-secret security clearance--with a cursory background check far less thorough than normal procedure--when he was still a private citizen.


**


THE DONOR
James Riady, Indonesian banking magnate.


THE GREEN
Riady and his business associates gave more than $700,000 to the Democratic Party between 1991 and 1997. They also paid $100,000 to Clinton friend Webster L. Hubbell, who resigned from his job as associate attorney general after being charged with tax evasion and mail fraud.


THE SCANDAL
Riady, a regular visitor to the Clinton White House, was busted by the Justice Department in 2001 for funneling foreign corporate money into Clinton's 1992 election effort. (He had to pay out $8.6 million to the DOJ--the largest campaign finance settlement in history.) In 1997, the Thompson-led committee accused Riady of maintaining "a long-term relationship with a Chinese intelligence agency."


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
7. Riady was a big fund-raiser for Bill from his Arkansas days, and repeatedly pressed Clinton on sensitive foreign policy issues. Riady was also closely linked to a number of other scandals, including the improper appointment of John Huang (a former manager at Riady's company) and the Hsi Lai Temple fund-raiser (which was organized by Huang).


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
6. In 1997, pre-cigar, William Safire called the Riady affair "the low point of the Clinton Presidency." Still, his name is all but forgotten today.


**


THE DONOR
Johnny Chung, a Taiwan-born, California-based businessman.


THE GREEN
He gave $366,000 in personal and corporate donations between 1994 and 1996. All the money was returned by the DNC.


THE SCANDAL
Chung's contributions to the Democratic Party earned him significant access to the Clinton administration: He made at least 49 visits to the White House between 1994 and 1996. He arranged for five of his Chinese business clients to attend a taping of one of President Clinton's weekly radio addresses after making a $50,000 donation to the DNC. Furthermore, Chung claimed that part of his donated funds came from sources connected to the Chinese government. (The Chinese government emphatically denies the allegations.)


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
7. Ick! One radioactively slimy Chung quote: "The White House is like a subway: You have to put in coins to open gates."


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
7. Chung was one of the most recognizable--and damning-- figures in the campaign finance controversy; 49 White House visits will have that effect.



**


THE DONOR
Roger Tamraz, a Lebanese-American businessman.


THE GREEN
Tamraz and his company donated $300,000 to the Democratic Party in 1995 and 1996.


THE SCANDAL
In 1996, Tamraz apparently sought to leverage his donations into a face-to-face meeting with President Clinton over the objections of a National Security Council staff member. Members of the Democratic National Committee, the CIA, and the Clinton administration were all alleged to have gone to bat on Tamraz's behalf to allow him access to the White House. Tamraz then used the meeting to propose a $2.5-billion oil pipeline through Central Asia, a proposal that was then passed on to officials in the Energy Department. (Nothing ever came of it.) He was later a key witness at the Thompson committee hearings.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
7. Know when your reputation could use a boost? When The New York Times writes sentences about you like this: "Indeed, in describing Mr. Tamraz in testimony on Wednesday and again today, the adjective used most often by lawmakers was 'shady.'" (It didn't help that when Joe Lieberman asked Tamraz at the Senate hearing if he thought he got his "money's worth" for his $300,000 donation, Tamraz replied "I think next time I'll give $600,000.") Also, at the time of his meeting with Clinton, Tamraz was wanted by Interpol for allegedly embezzling hundreds of millions of dollars from a Beirut bank. In a separate case before that, the Times reported, a French court had ordered him to pay $56 million for his role in the collapse of a French bank.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
3.5. Not so bad in the context of the larger scandals. But Tamraz's name continues to surface from time to time, most recently on the best-seller list and the movie marquee. The saga of a man (modeled after Tamraz) using cash to gain access and influence in the White House appeared in former CIA agent Robert Baer's book See No Evil, which served as the inspiration for Syriana.




**


HONORABLE MENTIONS

So many donors, so little time. Here, other donors who have sullied the Clintons' reputation over the years.

Jeffrey Epstein: In 2002, the wealthy money-manager and Friend of Bill flew the former president in his private jet to Africa to discuss AIDS policy. He was recently indicted on charges of soliciting prostitution from underage girls. The Smoking Gun has the gruesome details. (Warning: Link is disgusting.)

John K.H. Lee: The South Korean businessman scored a meeting with President Clinton in 1996 after making a $250,000 donation to the DNC. Under U.S. federal election law, foreign companies and individuals are not permitted to make donations, but Lee tried to skirt the restriction by donating via a U.S. subsidiary of his company, which, problematically, didn't really exist. When it was discovered in September 1996 that the money had originated from Lee's South Korea-based parent company, the DNC returned the contribution.

Pauline Kanchanalak: Kanchanalak, a business executive and Democratic fund-raiser who met frequently with President Clinton, was sentenced to six months of house arrest in 1996 for funneling $690,000 of foreign contributions to the DNC. She claimed the money came from her in-laws.

Ng Lap Seng: The businessman and owner of Macau's Fortuna Hotel (per The Washington Post, "known as much for its prostitutes working the lobby as for its floor show of whip-wielding, leather-clad dancers upstairs") wired more than one million dollars to convicted Clinton donor Charlie Trie between 1994 and 1996 through a company the two co-owned--nearly a quarter of that money ended up in the DNC's hands. Ng attended DNC events and met with the Clintons at the White House.

Abdul Rehman Jinnah: According to the Los Angeles Times, this Pakistani immigrant raised more than $45,000 for Hillary Clinton's HillPac, allegedly reimbursing employees who contributed to Democratic causes, including Clinton's political action committee, which is illegal. He fled to Pakistan after a grand jury indicted him for violations of election law in 2006, and was placed on the FBI "featured fugitives" list. He returned to the U.S. last year.

Ron Burkle: He's never been accused of any crimes, but Ron Burkle lies at the center of any innuendo about Bill Clinton's post-presidential life. A much-commented-upon May 2006 New York Times article stated, "Mr. Clinton is rarely without company in public, yet the company he keeps rarely includes his wife. Nights out find him zipping around Los Angeles with his bachelor buddy, Ronald W. Burkle." The zippy Burkle, friends with Bill since 1992, often flies the former president in his private Boeing 575, described by Clinton as "Ron Air" and "Air Force Two." Burkle, also reportedly a "longtime friend" of Michael Jackson, has thrown lavish fund-raisers for Hillary at Green Acres, his Hollywood estate. Rumors abound about the supermarket billionaire's private life. "Page Six" covered Bill's bachelor buddy unfavorably, writing that he used the jet to entertain young models--and that he was dating Gisele Bundchen. Burkle then made headlines by secretly recording an alleged extortion attempt by a reporter for the gossip column. He has also been accused of using his influence as a Democratic donor to speed a law through the California legislature that would have kept the records of his messy divorce proceedings sealed.

Bill Clinton has been a senior advisor to Burkle's Yucaipa Cos. since early 2002. Clinton is only now trying to untangle himself from the company, a move that will simultaneously free him from questions about Yucaipa's ties to Dubai, while also netting a reported $20 million payday. One particularly shady deal Clinton's scheduler helped Yucaipa arrange was its investment in Catholic Church properties at the urging of a young Italian businessman named Raffaello Follieri. As The Wall Street Journal reported last fall, in 2005, Follieri intimated to Clinton aide Douglas Band that Yucaipa could make a killing on the deal--and that his ties to the Vatican would smooth the transaction. Yucaipa plowed as much as $100 million into the venture, and Band was paid a $400,000 "finder's fee" by Follieri. The Italian then spent Yucaipa's cash on an apartment in New York, private jets, and gifts for himself and his girlfriend, The Devil Wears Prada star Anne Hathaway. Burkle is currently suing Follieri for misappropriating at least $1.3 million.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=076fd56f-4aca-4683-a9d1-3c55d748946e&k=60222

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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:58 PM
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96. But, but, ... she's already been vetted! Didn't you get the memo? n/t
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:45 PM
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98. I got the memo, but it's outdated. She needs a renewed vetting. I doubt it will put her in a good
light.
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