cali
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Thu Mar-06-08 02:51 PM
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The obvious reluctance of Super Delegates to sign on with Hill, speaks volumes |
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In the last couple of weeks, Hill has received a meager handful of SD endorsements. And I'm unaware of any she's received since Tuesday. If her win was such a coup and sign of new momentum, why don't the SDs see it that way?
Obama on the the other hand, has closed a gap of approximately 160 endorsements to 41 in a little over a month. Today he's received 5 and yesterday he received 4 or 5. He was receiving at least a couple a day in the weeks before March 4.
So what's the deal? I think it's pretty clear, more and more of the remaining SDs prefer obama and view him as the eventual nominee. They're sending a message to Hill: We'll vote for the candidate with the most pledged delegates.
Sure, something out of the ordinary could happen to collapse the Obama campaign, but the same is even truer of Hill's campaign. It's very unlikely that something calamitous will happen to either candidate.
Hill should be worried about this trend. It spells bad news for her, no matter how you look at it.
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Thu Mar-06-08 02:53 PM
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1. she should have had them all locked up beforehand |
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it seemed that a majority of those superdelegates who supported her early on where those who the Clinton's backed when they were in office or those who expect a job in a Hillary administration or favors from a Hillary administration.
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Thu Mar-06-08 02:55 PM
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2. We're on the same wavelength. I just posted about this. |
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Although I have a more pointed reason for why we're seeing the steady stream to Obama over the past two days.
Clinton's primary wins should have been enough to slow the SDs significantly. But Hillary shot herself in the foot with the party. And now the party doesn't trust her.
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Thu Mar-06-08 02:56 PM
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3. Jeez, if you were her ( and I know you are not) |
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wouldn't you be getting the message by now? It's like when someone stays too late at a party. You start to yawn, then say how you have to get up early, then don't offer them another beer (while you have one). Go home already!
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Thu Mar-06-08 03:06 PM
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:) .... that's exactly how this is beginning to look.
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Thu Mar-06-08 02:56 PM
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4. Of course remaining SDs favor Obama |
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And they will do so until they don't.
The only question on the table is whether Obama fades as a viable national candidate. There is no other question.
If he doesn't, he wins. If he does, then either the party retains the flexibility to bail out, or it doesn't.
What's the point in SDs predicting on either side? PA isn't going to come any faster.
I don't think any SD should be endorsing anyone right now. The only practical upside to it would be to end the contest, which isn't going to happen. Rather than forcing a result they desire, they are just removing flexibility the party needs to deal with eventualities.
At this point, it's like burning your auto insurance policy to reassure people you're a good driver.
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Thu Mar-06-08 03:01 PM
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7. I think Obama has proven he's a viable candidate |
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and so do a lot of SDs. Furthermore, if enough of them endorse Obama, Hillary may get the message. That's unlikely but not at all outside the realm of possibility. I don't think Hillary is as viable a candidate. It boils down to a truism: Nothing could motivate repubs more than Hillary as the dem nominee.
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Thu Mar-06-08 03:14 PM
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12. I didn't use to believe it, but I do now. I have to be honest, I didn't use to think that Obama |
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could win because he is black. I was dead wrong. I use to think the Clinton had a better chance because of her political connections. I was also dead wrong.
I have finally figured out why half this country said they would not vote for her before this election even began.
I am not sure Obama will win, but he is with out a doubt our only chance.
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Thu Mar-06-08 03:19 PM
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13. Your standard of proof is lower than mine |
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Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 03:23 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
It's an honest disagreement.
To me, Obama has shown that he has a lot going for him.
He has also shown that running a fairly innocuous run-of-the-mill negative ad can sink him.
I will continue to be guided by my fairly good instincts about this stuff. I knew Huckabee and McCain were the two viable candidates when they were both in single digits because it was plain that Romney and Giuliani were in the race only as long as nobody felt impelled to knock them out.
Both were one REALLY negative ad away from demolition. The question was whether anyone would take the PR hit to run such an ad. So their viability was intact only as long as they posed no danger... anyone could knock either one out if it came to that.
I feel the same way about Obama. If anyone feels up to taking the PR hit involved in killing Santa Claus, he's in trouble.
I am amazed by the whistling past the grave-yard over what we just saw... Obama was the inevitable presumptive nominee, then Hillary gets a little nasty for a few days and he loses two big states.
Then people say "people voted fear over hope" as if that was an excuse. Yes, that's what people do. And they will continue to do so.
If Barack is sunk by Hillary being nasty in a Democratic Primary then he is not a viable national candidate against McCain. Dems are the LEAST susceptible to fear-mongering, race-baiting, whatever it is that is said to be the problem. The general electorate is MORE susceptible to those appeals, and John McCain is MORE experienced and tough-guy than Hillary. If a little negativity stumbles up Obama among Dems he has no shot among everyone else.
So he has something to prove, in my eyes. (And much time to prove it.)
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Thu Mar-06-08 03:50 PM
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Thu Mar-06-08 02:56 PM
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5. 11 to 1 ratio this week. B. vs. H. |
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Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 02:57 PM by BushDespiser12
Hillary needs to move on.
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Thu Mar-06-08 02:57 PM
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6. Clinton burned some bridges along the way |
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Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 02:58 PM by Taverner
I like her, but you'd be crazy to not acknowledge some grave tactical errors she's had in her political life.
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Thu Mar-06-08 03:01 PM
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8. I think she can thank Bill for help with the SDs. |
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I really hopes he gets back out there and shows us who they are.
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Thu Mar-06-08 03:07 PM
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10. They must all be sexist. |
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Thu Mar-06-08 03:08 PM
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11. it's ok, she brainwashes her groopie lovers... |
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but the reality is much different
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Thu Mar-06-08 03:52 PM
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15. Who can blame 'em. It's human nature to want to be on the winning team. |
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