Excuse me, but where was HRC's "concern" for Florida voters in 2000?

[ecstatic]

This happened during the final chapter of her co-Presidency with Bill. Both of them remained silent as Florida voters were robbed under Bill's watch.

...after Mr. Gore won the popular vote but Mr. Bush prevailed after six weeks of struggle over Florida, black members of the House stood up to protest the results pleading for a senator to join their objections, but none did.

Mrs. Boxer said that in retrospect "it was a mistake not to object four years ago."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/07/politics/07elect.html

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

1. Question. Do you know she was in the Senate?

She was elected in 2000. Was she even sworn in yet?

I would have thought the body ruling on the electors was the old senate, not the incoming senate.

[democrattotheend]

51. Yes. Certification of the election took place at the beginning of 2001

She had just been sworn in.

It was definitely the new Senate, but with the outgoing VP...I remember there being speculation that if it went to the House and Senate, Bush would get the presidency because the House picks the president, but if everyone voted along party lines in the Senate, Gore could have ended up casting the tying vote for Lieberman to be VP. Remember, this was back when Lieberman was at least sort of a Democrat.

[Fresh_Start]

2. She wasn't a Senator in 2000.

She became one in 2001.
Ask Kerry or Kennedy.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

3. where was the OP's "concern" for the truth in 2008?

[Fresh_Start]

5. just flamebaiting and showing his ignorance

to all of us

[ecstatic]

6. Neither of the Clintons spoke up about the Bush theft of FL

And I'm almost positive she wouldn't have stood with the CBC either.

[Fresh_Start]

10. Gore told President Clinton to keep his distance

or don't you recall that?

[ecstatic]

27. So when a crime is taking place, as long as someone tells you

to keep your distance, then it's OK to not do anything?

[Fresh_Start]

15. President Clinton quote 11/27/2000

"It is easy to lose what is really important, which is the integrity of the voter -- every single vote," he said. "Every single person who voted had a vote that counted just as much as mine, and so they have to sort that out in Florida."

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. Wasn't 2000 less then 35 years ago?

I'm not sure, a lot of people have been using odd sorts of math recently.

[Fresh_Start]

16. look at OP Quote

"black members of the House stood up to protest the results pleading for a senator to join their objections, but none did"

operative phrase is pleading for a senator, Clinton wasn't

[City Lights]

36. Your argument is that because she'd been elected but not sworn in she

was obligated to sit quietly on the sidelines?

[Fresh_Start]

44. no

my argument is that the OP quoted that the representatives asked for a Senator to support the proposal in order to move it forward and she was not a Senator so she could not get the issue on the docket for the Senate

[City Lights]

47. Ah...I see. Thanks. eom

[democrattotheend]

50. She was by the time Congress certified the results

That happened at the very beginning of her first term.

[MyNameGoesHere]

4. Ironic your screen name is Truth Hurts a lot. Bwaaahahaha. n/t

[Diane R]

7. The Clintons threw Gore under the bus in 2000, like they threw Kerry in '04. To position Hillary 08

[niyad]

8. do try, please, to pretend that you actually understand things like elections--

hillary was elected in 2000--sworn in in january, 2001.

[ecstatic]

12. She was still co-President in 2000 nt

[niyad]

25. we don't HAVE co=presidents-- try to understand that some of us here

actually know how our government works. you might want to take a look at your civics 101 book.

in case you haven't yet understood from various replies, it was the members of the SENATE who had the authority to act.

[ecstatic]

31. Ok. I'll keep that in mind the next time HRC brags about her

experience in the White House.

[SIMPLYB1980]

39. Rush is that you?

[TheZug]

9. She was "fighting" for them, she swears.

[thoughtcrime1984]

13. The Clintons are very concerned

when the Clintons stand to gain.

[redqueen]

14. Gore HIMSELF was in the Senate, and wouldn't step up to back up House Dems.

Sorry, but that dog won't hunt.

[anigbrowl]

48. He couldn't; as Senate president he can only break ties.

He was chairing the session, he couldn't participate in it from the floor at the same time.

[Birthmark]

17. Don't know.

What I DO know is that we're being disenfranchised now. Hillary, for whatever reason, happens to be on the right side of this thing, though.

[SoCalDem]

18. She and Gore were never compadres. She probably did not mind all that much . n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

19. Good question!!

[jillan]

20. Since Hillary wasn't in the Senate at the time, shouldn't we be asking the same question of Obama?

Yeah - that's how ridiculous your argument is.

[mmonk]

21. No she wasn't. She was still first lady. Must have been working on foreign policy.

[jillan]

23. Working on foreign policy - like Obama was????

[mmonk]

24. She's the one touting experience noting being the first lady.

[jillan]

30. And he is touting experience noting being a community organizer.

[chill_wind]

22. Hillary loves to tout her long record of experience and "leadership."

And she would certainly have us believe it began long before she became a Senator of a few years.

She was certainly, at the least, a very public world figure who could have used her voice of "concern" on the matter, if not then, in the many years since.

Hillary supporters of her so-called life-long leadership want to have it both ways.

The OP asks a completely legitimate question.

[niyad]

26. no, the OP is not asking a legit question--hillary was NOT in the senate, and it was

the SENATE that had the authority to take this issue on.

civics 101, anybody?

[mmonk]

28. Yes, that precludes her from showing any concern.

[ecstatic]

29. She had a duty to speak out, and she could have, if she chose to

It just wasn't convenient. Once again, politics trumped morals.

[niyad]

34. you are ignoring, and hoping we will overlook, the fact that your OP had to do with the SENATE

not acting on the FL 2000 situation. several of us have pointed out to you that she was not IN the senate when that came up, so now you are trying to tap dance around the issue.

get a grip, and realize that some of us can actually follow the discussion.

[ecstatic]

37. I learned from the best-- HRC supporters on DU!!

[niyad]

38. nice try--but your ignorance is your ignorance, not the responsibility of

anybody here.

are you sure you are on the correct board?

remd I-95

[mmonk]

35. Not a duty.

She probably felt it wasn't her concern and Gore didn't ask for help.

[chill_wind]

49. You can parse the word "concern" -- all day long if all you want.

Plenty of Americans with moral conscience and integrity didn't need Senate authority or *permission* to speak out on this unforgivible political treachery and wrong.

The point-- THE REAL POINT-- the OP is making is that she is certainly expressing her concern for the integrity of the vote- for THESE Florida voters, ISN'T SHE--- but only as it only happens to benefit HER.......right now.

CAMPAIGN POLITICS 101, anyone?

[democrattotheend]

52. She was in the Senate

She had just been sworn in. The certification of the vote took place with the new Congress and the outgoing Administration, since the new Congress begins 2 weeks before inauguration day.

[nonconformist]

32. So, because someone might not have fought hard enough then means

they shouldn't fight for all the votes to be counted now?

That's a crock of shit.

Didn't we used to WANT Democrats who would fight against voter disenfranchisement?

We ALL wanted them to fight hard in 2000, and they didn't. So because of that, you think they should all roll over for all of eternity? Is it possible they learned their lesson?

[xultar]

33. Didn't Gore ask them notto step into his business...?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

42. yup he wanted to distance himself from clinton.

[itcfish]

40. Did I Miss Something?

Was Hillary runing for President in 2000? Was she a senator? Give me a break this Hillary hating is getting out of hand.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

57. not to mention, gore wanted to distance himself from the clintons.

:shrug:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

41. that was a gore issue. just cos we love him now, doesnt make this someone else's problem

[tandem5]

43. Where's Donna Brazile's concern now? She was key in deciding to deny all the delegates instead of...

the default half and she was Gore's campaign manager! Talk about irony!

[HughMoran]

45. Irrelevant pointless post

This seems to the the trend with you - off to the iggy pile you go...

[WCGreen]

46. I agree....

She should have stood up against Bush...

But then again, if Gore would have won, it would have put her planned 2004 campaign on hold...

How's that working now Hillary...

[La Lioness Priyanka]

53. thats bullshit, gore didnt want help from the clintons. he picker lieberman

who hated bill

[WCGreen]

55. It wasn't Bill that could have campaigned....

It was Hillary...

[La Lioness Priyanka]

56. he wanted to distance himself from the clintons. would you campaign for someone who was shunning

your wife/husband?

[NC_Nurse]

54. Same place her concern was this year, until she needed the delegates.