Marc Ash: Time to Bow Out

[Barrymores Ghost]

Time to Bow Out
By Marc Ash
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Thursday 06 March 2008

    Hillary Clinton had a good day on March 4. She reminded us she exists in her own right, and we may feel free to assume she played more than a trivial role in the Clinton presidential administration of the 90s. That said, she is the second most successful Democratic presidential candidate running this year, not the first. The most successful candidate running this year is Barack Obama.

    Can she make a comeback? Sure. But it would necessarily involve "politics by other means." Scorched earth politics, to be specific. As Jonathan Alter, writing for Newsweek, points out, Hillary does have an unsolvable Math Problem. To put March 4 in perspective, with three wins out of four primaries (and a caucus in Texas), Clinton gained a grand total of 12 delegates. That's according to The New York Times. Bottom line, she's not going in the front door. Obama will arrive at the convention with a pledged delegate lead in triple digits.

    How we got here matters. The Clinton campaign assured us in advance they would prevail in the "big states" of Texas and Ohio; and so they did. But what made them so sure? They pursued a big state strategy from the onset, the traditional Democratic strategy of the last two decades. The Obama camp, however, went with the newly minted Howard Dean strategy, a small state, small ball game plan. Obama won. The delegate race is effectively over.

    Dick Cheney was up front with Bush campaign minions during the 2000 Florida recount, "Just get control of the Oval Office ... it doesn't matter how ... just do it." Machiavelli could not have said it better himself...

(Read the entire editorial here...)

[KittyWampus]

1. they didn't prevail in TX and OH. Clintons claimed they'd get 65% of delegates or close the gap

with Obama to only 5 delegates etc.

[antigop]

2. Ahem, Mark....shouldn't the Democratic Party stand on PRINCIPLE, not PRINCIPAL

but great piece nonetheless.

[Barrymores Ghost]

7. So noted and corrected. Thx. n/t

[antigop]

10. Great piece. Thanks for posting. n/t

[samdogmom]

3. Thank you for the post!

I'm pretty sure the message will fall on deaf ears.

Sigh!

[Cha]

15. They can keeping sticking whatever they

have handy in their ears but if enough people are calling for this like Marc Ash so eloquently is..then it's nothing but the Hook for hilary.

[samdogmom]

18. Agreed!

By the way, I love the imagery of the "hook" for Hillary!

[Cha]

23. I know..when it came out..

I'm like, "omg" that's what it's gonna take. :(

[JuniperLea]

4. Jesus Christ on a Cracker!

Time to stfu!

As with most things, it's the whiners that make trouble! Whine, whine, freaking whine whine whine! Why not let this process take it's natural course instead of interjecting RW talking points?

[Barrymores Ghost]

21. Because, letting this "process" continue as it is currently emerging...

...meaning, scorched-earth-kitchen-sink politics of personal destruction within our own party, will come to no good end for any of us. Did you even read the article? Are you proud of the way Hillary is now conducting her campaign out of selfish desperation, laden with bile, lies and custom-made-for-McCain character assassination? Christ, what is wrong with you people? At long last, have you no decency?

[JuniperLea]

24. Personal attacks are not allowed on DU

Oh, the irony... using personal attacks to bemoan the personal attacks of candidates. Seriously.

[Barrymores Ghost]

33. Not an attack, friend...just a couple of honest questions.

...if the shoe fits, wear it. If you care to justify her tactics, fire away. Otherwise, go bite someone else's ankles.

[JuniperLea]

41. Christ, what is wrong with you people? At long last, have you no decency?

That is a personal attack...

[Barrymores Ghost]

43. I'll take that as a "no comment." n/t

[JuniperLea]

44. what makes you think you deserve an answer to anything?

you are blathering on just like those you criticize. hypocrites don't deserve answers.

[Barrymores Ghost]

45. Not saying I deserve an answer...just noting that you can't come up with one.

Ciao.

[roguevalley]

26. because if the count will never let her win the only thing she can

do is stink up the nest. if the votes will never be there, why stay? Except for spite.

[JuniperLea]

27. Unless you have a crystal ball

You don't know what the counts are.

[roguevalley]

28. if you don't want to read the statistics, don't. but don't assume that

predications and counts can't be made that are going to be accurate.

Oh, and I do. I have a crystal ball, imported from Austria and about the size of a softball. Just so you know. :)

[JuniperLea]

30. You should look up "predictions"

And you should also look at all the statistics. And check out the delegate counts on the various sites that provide them. No two look alike, and all are too close to call.

I prefer a bowl of water to a crystal ball.

[roguevalley]

32. the crystal ball is a family thing. a bowl of water or a mirror is nice.

whatever you need, my dear. :)

[JuniperLea]

42. Our differences are merely political...

I see! Good.

I was taught to use the water by an American Indian, and a friend of his who is also an Animist. I've had anthropomorphic Animist leanings since early childhood, so it was a natural learning from these two who shared some innate gnostic beliefs.

Too much negativity... I'm keeping my DU visits to a minimum... can't wait for this to all be over... I will support the Dem nom... whomever that is.

[niyad]

5. codswallop

[BOSSHOG]

Our current party situation is not hurting the party and will not

hurt the nominee. Ya wanna hurt a candidate? Have george bush endorse him.

[JuniperLea]

25. Yep

How do you like how that RW talking point has oozed its way into DU? You'd think this board was filled with 10-year-olds who have never seen American politics in action.

[Window]

6. Concise and to the point.

Hilly's done.

[acrosstheuniverse]

8. DELETE

...

[leftofcool]

9. More horseshit!

[Barrymores Ghost]

12. Well brayed, Sir...

...Jackass! Would you care to rebut on point, or just howl at the moon?

[grantcart]

29. lol

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

11. What good is a comeback if you have to sell your soul to do it?

[antigop]

13. Link here....

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/030608A.shtml

[Cha]

14. Marc Ash hits with the money quote..

"..those who would rather rule than serve"! Does anyone see miss hilary serving any good purpose at this point?

Marc Ash writes so eloquently..we'll see what the stars have in mind for hilaryland what doesn't like to lose. :nopity: :nopity:, ect, ect.. A thousand tiny violins to them.

[antigop]

16. "those who would rule rather serve" -- OUCH! n/t

[speedoo]

17. K&R, and welcome to DU.

Thanks for posting this excellent piece.

[elmerdem]

19. I probably shouldn't, but I hear

the Connecticut for Lieberman party is looking for a presidential candidate.

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

20. Hi Barrymores Ghost.

Please be aware that DU copyright rules require that excerpts of copyrighted material be limited to four paragraphs.

best,
wakemeupwhenitsover
DU Moderator

[Barrymores Ghost]

22. Will take care of it. Thanks. n/t

[DemBones DemBones]

31. Yes, Obama should bow out because

he can't beat McCain in November.

[Barrymores Ghost]

34. Is this an internal poll you're reading...?

Meaning, one that you've pulled out of your ass?

[RememberWellstone]

35. I found a turd

in my toilet that smelled better than this post.

[Barrymores Ghost]

36. I've no doubt that you think your own sh*t doesn't stink...

...Care to rebut Ash's points, or just continue to issue idiotic schoolyard taunts?

Yeah.

Thought as much.

[RememberWellstone]

39. Refute or rebut?

I am just sick of this incescent whining and complaining by the Obamanites...just run the race and if people trust him, he will get elected, if not, then Hill will be in the WH.

[Barrymores Ghost]

40. Pick one and run with it, Slappy...right now, you're just copy-editing.

Your candidate has done nothing but whine, complain, lie and smear since she woke one day to discover that the only one who thought the nomination was her birthright was herself.

And one other thing: Paul Wellstone would neither approve of Hillary's campaign tactics, nor her Iraq War resolution vote. You wear his moniker with hollow reverence, and you do him no honor.

:eyes:

[AX10]

37. The writer of this nonsense proves yet again..

that the left wing extremists are as bad as the right wing ones.

[Barrymores Ghost]

38. BREEEEP!! Ad hominem. Zero points. You lose. Try again later. n/t