"Desperate Clinton crosses 'the Joe Lieberman threshold' "

[Pirate Smile]

Daily Kos Diary from Geekesque:

Desperate Clinton crosses 'the Joe Lieberman threshold'

by Geekesque
Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 01:39:37 PM PST

In a turn of phrase no doubt authored by the poison Penn, Hillary Clinton is now peddling bull manure packaged inside more bull manure with bull manure labeling.

And, she's doing everything she can to get John McCain elected.

The pro-McCain talking points below the fold.

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Today's new standard: "Crossing the Commander-in-chief threshold."

What's that, you ask?

Beats the hell out of me. Is it the secret entrance to the West Wing? A line in the sand somewhere? I got nothing.

You think I'm making this up?

I'm not.

"I think that since we now know Sen. (John) McCain will be the nominee for the Republican Party, national security will be front and center in this election. We all know that. And I think it’s imperative that each of us be able to demonstrate we can cross the commander-in-chief threshold," the New York senator told reporters crowded into an infant’s bedroom-sized hotel conference room in Washington.

"I believe that I’ve done that. Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you’ll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy," she said.

Calling McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee a good friend and a "distinguished man with a great history of service to our country," Clinton said, "Both of us will be on that stage having crossed that threshold. That is a critical criterion for the next Democratic nominee to deal with."

I will tell you what I know about this, though.

It's an attempt to poison the well for Barack Obama in 2008. Her goal is two-fold:

To make Obama appear as unelectable as possible to scare Superdelegates into voting for her at the convention; and
if that doesn't work, to make sure that McCain defeats Obama in November so she can run again in 2012 and scold the party with "I told you so."

"There are certain critical issues that voters always look to in a general election. National security experience (and) the qualifications to be commander-in-chief are front and center. They always have been. They always will be," she said.

She said she and McCain had traveled to Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan together as she repeated a line that surfaced from the campaign trail. She and McCain "bring a lifetime of experience to the campaign, Clinton said, while "Sen. Obama will bring a speech he gave in 2002," stating his opposition to the Iraq war as an Illinois state senator.

Folks, for 2008, Hillary Clinton has one overriding goal:

Prevent Barack Obama from winning the White House.

If that means she wins, great. But, if that means handing the White House to the Republican and John McCain, that's also acceptable. Because, after all, there's always 2012.

Her worst case scenario is Barack Obama defeating her close friend and ally, John McCain.

She has crossed a threshold.

Not the "Commander in chief threshold."

She's crossed the "Joe Lieberman Threshold" by campaigning on behalf of the Republican nominee for President.


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https://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/6/163937/4561/364/452219

edit to add - Today was the fifth time she has done this in the last few days:

Hillary again endorses McCain over Obama, in 3 more TV appearances

by John Aravosis (DC) · 3/05/2008 02:56:00 PM ET · Link
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She said it three more times in the past day. Why the hell is she saying that the Republican candidate is more qualified to be president than our own presumptive nominee? And what the hell does our party plan to do on stopping this train wreck? She can't win, it's over, she doesn't have the delegates and can't get the delegates. She's hoping she can destroy Obama and step in after he's toast. And if she's wrong, she'll simply leave Obama destroyed for the general election campaign against McCain, the guy she has now said four times is more qualified to be president than our presumptive nominee. Here is the first time she endorsed McCain over Obama, and watch her three additional TV appearances below.

2nd time: " never been president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002."

3rd time: "I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."

4th time: "Of course, well, you know, I've got a lifetime of experience. Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience. And you know, Senator Obama's whole campaign is about one speech he made in 2002."

http://www.americablog.com/2008/03/hillary-again-says-three-more-times.html

[jgraz]

1. She's also crossed my personal "Joe Lieberman threshold"

I can no longer stand to see her face or hear her voice. If she appears on television, I change the channel immediately.

[americanstranger]

2. I prefer to call it

the 'Throw Obama under the bus' threshold - because as much as Clinton's acolytes defended it the first time, there are very few of them defending it this time.

I hear the faint sound of scales falling away from eyes, all over GDP. Let's hope this moment of clarity is long lasting.

- as

[anamandujano]

3. Kos, Hahahahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahahahaha!

Hahahahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahahahaha!

The desperate people are in the camp that lost Texas, Ohio and RI.

Hahahahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahahahaha!
Hahahahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahahahaha!
Hahahahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahahahaha!

[featherman]

6. So she didn't say that? Or it's all right with you?

[tabatha]

7. I guess you did not watch the videos.

[americanstranger]

8. Maybe when you clean yourself up,

you can try defending your candidate.

Oh, wait. There is no defense. Never mind. Keep laughing.

- as

[anigbrowl]

9. Sorry, Obama looks to be winning Texas.

I know you guys hate delegate math, but he's going to have more pledged delegates.

[stop the bleeding]

13. Yeah you're right

that was fucking brilliant how Hillary fought back in TX, RI and OH from being ahead by double digit leads. Kos is not the issue here, what is at issue is what she has said now twice this week, and both times has been reported via several viable sources besides Kos.

I am not into calling people names like lieberwoman or anything else, but I am concerned about the language she has used now in such a short time.

[Carolina]

14. you can hahahahahahahahaha!

but guess what? Shrillary hurts herself with her tone deaf comments, too, because:

1) McCain will use her own words about experience and readiness for CiC against her since he's not only got longer lifetime experience, his is bona fide and really his. NOT derived from being someone's spouse. Plus he's got the military cajones she lacks on so many levels...

2) She will lose in November since repukes loathe her, indies will not lean her way and now she has alienated many Dems who will simply abstain from voting for the top of the ticket.

So hahahahahahahahaha, LOSER!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. Did you forget about the Texas caucus?

Yeah, Clinton supporters keep doing that.

[shraby]

33. She didn't win Texas, sorry.

And if she is promoting John McCain, she's a turncoat.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

4. Her JOE-mentum was pretty short lived.

[Ichingcarpenter]

5. Mark Penn (Hillary)=Charles Black (McCain) joined at the hip

Mark J. Penn is a man who wears many hats: high-paid political and corporate pollster, chief executive of an international communications and lobbying company, and chief strategist to New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's bid for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Enough connections for you?




Well, there are more. Penn's firm, Burson-Marsteller Worldwide -- with 2,000 employees and $300 million a year in revenue -- owns BKSH & Associates, the major lobbying firm chaired by Charles R. Black Jr. That's right, Black, counselor to Republican presidents, and now John McCain's advisor reports to Clinton's top strategist.

The connections get even more entangled. Burson-Marsteller is a subsidiary of WPP Group, a London-based advertising and PR giant that owns many of the biggest names on K Street. These include Quinn Gillespie & Associates, Wexler & Walker Public Policy Associates, Timmons & Co., Ogilvy Government Relations Worldwide (formerly the Federalist Group), Public Strategies Inc., Dewey Square Group and Hill & Knowlton.

To be more precise, Penn's parent company employs as lobbyists and advisers an ex-chairman of the Republican National Committee (Edward W. Gillespie), a former House GOP leader (Robert S. Walker), a top GOP fundraiser (Wayne L. Berman), and the former media adviser to President Bush (Mark McKinnon).


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

28. thank you! I have book marked this

Its the map - connect the dots.

[Ichingcarpenter]

32. Yep, Hillary and McCain are joined at the hip

And people wonder why they are so chummy.

[smiley_glad_hands]

10. She needs to drop out already. eom

[Zachstar]

11. She continues to hand the GE to the republicans.

I hope the supers are watching this. Is this the candidate that will lead us to victory in November? I think not acting like this.

[roguevalley]

16. every super delegate out there needs to declare now. right now.

[elehhhhna]

12. LOL Great m,nds think alike. See this thread, entitled...

"LOOK! Up in the sky! It's...LIEBERWOMAN !!!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4932776&mesg_id=4932776

[Pirate Smile]

18. You were not alone.

:)

[The_Casual_Observer]

17. If I see a Kos "Diary" I'd bet my life it would be a sneering snarky

Hillary hatefest. Kos is 100x's worse than Olbermann is this regard.

[Pirate Smile]

20. Well, you are Clinton supporter #2 using your standard tactic of attack the messenger and avoid the

message.

[The_Casual_Observer]

21. The message is such shit that it can't be dignified.

[Pirate Smile]

24. I agree - Hillary's message is such "shit that it can't be dignified."

[The_Casual_Observer]

25. No, you don't understand, the Kos Diary message is shit.

[americanstranger]

26. I agree with Pirate Smile, myself.

Touting McCrazy is simply indefensible.

And here's the original link:

http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/clinton_ive_crossed_commanderi.html

(Countdown to the Chicago Trib being called a 'pro-Obama rag' in 4.... 3... 2... 1...)

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[The_Casual_Observer]

29. How did you stand on that Reagan remark?

[Pirate Smile]

30. I understood that he wasn't speaking approvingly of Reagan's policies.

edit to add - whoops - I replied like you were responding to me but it was someone else so nevermind.

[Pirate Smile]

27. I understand perfectly fine, thank you, and wrote exactly what I meant.

[arewenotdemo]

19. Commander-in-Chief credentials, according to Hillary:

"I voted for the war. Senator McCain voted for the war. Senator Obama gave a speech in 2002."

[niceypoo]

22. Desperate Obamites surpassing GOP threshold set in 1990s

...for hating the Clinton family and tossing one negative stink bomb after another

This thread is a perfect example of it...

[americanstranger]

23. Tell her to STFU with the praise for McCrazy, then.

I can't fathom how you people just let this shit roll.

If Obama was praising McCain on a daily basis, you guys would be screaming your heads off.

(Countdown to 'Obama praised Reagan' defense in 4.... 3.... 2.... 1....)

- as

[DemBones DemBones]

31. Obama actually campaigned for Lieberman,

did you not know that?

And I'm not talking about 2000, but about 2006, when Holy Joe left the party and ran as an independent after Lamont won the Dem primary.



All Clinton did was acknowledge that McCain has a lot of experience.

It's a fact, as is his history as a war hero and POW who endured torture during 5 1/2 years in captivity. Democrats would be stupid to try to deny his experience; it would insult all military veterans and their families and friends, some of whom are Democrats.

[LibertyorDeath]

34. I Hope He Crushes Her Like a Fucking Ant