Bush paying for his girlfriends' abortions?

[Bread and Circus]

Does anyone know about pResident Select Bush's relations
prior to his "late in life" conversion to Christianity
and marriage at age 40?

I have heard a rumor that Bush has had several girlfriends
which he got pregnant and paid for those abortions. I have
searched the internet and I can't find a link to this story.

It just seems to be interesting to me that the Champion of
Faith Based Government may have utilized the very services
he is actively and stealthfully trying to stamp out.

I would appreciate a link to a story in print or online.

Thank you in advance.

[GCP]

1. Apparently Larry Flynt has the story of one ex-girlfriend

that * got pregnant in the early 70's before Roe v Wade, and procured an abortion for her. Flynt found the woman and the doctor involved, but both refused to comment and for whatever reason, he didn't publish the story.

[quispquake]

7. I heard Flynt is releasing a tell-all book this summer about this incident

Should be interesting!!!

[papau]

2. Details came out in 2000 campaign but media would not publish without

the women, who was 15 at the time, giving her permission.

She has been married off by the Bush family to a FBI or CIA fellow - I forget which - and likes her marriage - and likes Bush - and will not get Bush into trouble re statutory rape - since he was in his mid-20's at the time.

The girls maiden name, the hospital, etc data are all in posts that you can search for on DU.

No one is publishing her married name although all have it of course - seems legal types feel we need her permission because of the crime that would be charged against Bush if she started to talk.

[fudge stripe cookays]

3. And several months ago one woman died conveniently

I think they "claimed" it was suicide. But others were insisting she was very troubled, and it really was not unusual.

A friend of mine who lived in West Texas in the 70s talked about Chimpy appearing at some party or somesuch in Lubbock when he was running for Congress and lost.

Evidently, he was drunk as a skunk and feeling up some guy's wife practically right in front of him. Figures.

[Kali]

5. great gossip

But all easily dismissed (spun) as pre-jezus conversion - can even be used as "proof" of how bad abortion, drinking etc are. "... I saw the light...praze jezus..."

[Carni]

8. One that died is the one that accused him of rape...

She didn't have an abortion, but filed suit against bushit for rape in Texas (last year I think?)

Her name was Marjorie Schoenader (or something like that...that name isn't correct) She to my knowledge didn't say anything about being pregnant, or having to abort--just claimed the rape charge
(as if that isn't enough!)

The girl that had the abortion is, as someone mentions above, older news and Flynt claims to have the goods!

[fudge stripe cookays]

9. Ack! Thanks

Got my stories crossed.

[Carni]

13. Hey, it's understandable...

A person would need to commit their entire life to tracking bush to keep all of his misdeeds in order!

[northernsoul]

11. it was fairly certain that the alleged rape victim

was not playing with a full deck. I'm not saying this to be harsh, but I read her entirely Complaint and it sounded just like something a relative of mine with severe paranoid schizophrenia would've written.

A reporter from a local paper actually wrote to Will Pitt and told him that the woman was almost certainly deluded.

Personally, I don't put such a crime past B*sh, but it hurts our credibility to be dealing in such easily debunkable urban legends.

[Carni]

14. I gathered the woman was nuts also

I read the court case documents on the web at one point in time and the complaint was very bizarre to say the least, so I hear you.

The lawsuit filed by the "rape victim" could very well have been filed to take something serious and credible off of the radar --
that usually seems to be the way Rove and company operate!

[Dinger]

23. So, IF she was mentally ill, that makes it ok?

SHe was underaged when they started their affair. She was 38 when she "killed herself." She was also African American. She was drugged and so was her husband (He is still alive, hopefully). If I were an investgative reporter, I'd start with him. I am surprised to see this story get debunked so easily by dems, weird. Are people afraid to delve into this or what?

[northernsoul]

29. my understanding was there was no corroboration

She alleges that she was drugged.
IIRC, the reporter could not find facts to corroborate any of her complaints.

By no means whatsoever do I think that it's okay to rape the mentally ill or anyone else - but when someone with so many obvious signs of a delusional mental disturbance claims such claims without any supporting evidence, I think it is prudent to avoid endorsing such claims. Unlike John Ashcroft, I think that allegations need to be supported by credible evidence.

Have you read the actual text of her complaint? If so, do you think her claims should be taken at face value?

If all of my paranoid schizophrenic relative's allegations were taken at face value, every member of my family and about half the population of Minnesota would be in prison right now because we were all allegedly conspiring to poison her. One of the things that makes paranoiac conditions so horrorific both for the people who suffer from them and the people who care about the sufferers is that frequently their delusions are at least theoreticaly possible, so sometimes it gets hard to tell when you should take allegations seriously or when you should chalk it up to the delusional state.

[Dogmudgeon]

4. The Details from one case

1971, IIRC.

Lieutenant George W. Bush was still flying for the Texas Air National Guard.

Roe V. Wade was still two years away from a decision. Elective abortion in the state of Texas was termed "Criminal Abortion".

The age of consent in Texas was 16 for both boys and girls.

George was 24, and his girlfriend was 15.

Girlfriend's Name: Robin Lowman, now Robin Garner.

Married to FBI Special Agent Jerry Garner.

Interesting Note: Bush had a younger sister he doted on, who died when she was four years old. Her name was also Robin.

Robin Lowman-Garner now refuses to talk about the issue. She was quite willing to do so at one time, but suddenly changed her mind, right after GWB was awarded the Presidency.

--bkl
Corrections welcomed.

[Tim4319]

6. That is some deep stuff!

[liberalitch]

10. Creepy....

When I was 16 - 17 I was very intellectually/emotionally mature for my age.
I was attracted to and dated guys who were 18 - 20 (even one 21 year old.... )
But even then I remember finding it creepy when I was approached by guys who were 24, 25 - 30 years old.
I remember thinking: What's wrong with these guys that they can't get a chick their own age?

So, I must ask the same question about Bush.

[Dogmudgeon]

12. Actually, you shouldn't

At 16 or 17?

Up until our current age, there was no real age taboo. Today, there is. And that "current age" started in the 1980s or so.

When I was 24, I dated a 16-year-old. It went well, and we occasionally run into each other with no embarassment or uncomfortable moments. Nobody either of us knew had any trouble with it, even her parents.

It wasn't too long ago that girls as young as 14 could, and would, get married, and many of those marriages went well. I even had a friend whose parents were married in 1959 -- he was 19, she was 15. Of course, her parents' consent was involved. By the way, they were from Texas, like George and Robin. The marriage lasted at least 26 years, when I lost track of them.

Age segregation extends far into adulthood now, and has even turned into the disdain for "trophy wives" and the excitement of "tadpoles".

The problem with George Bush and Robin Lowman was a little different. There was no consent from her parents, and it was just about certainly an impulsive, possibly alcohol-lubricated, exploitative experience. In addition, an officer of the military committed a felony sex offense and then conspired to cover it up.

People ought to fall in love with people they are suited for, with age being a small matter. But sexual exploitation is something else again. And the question that George W. Bush may have been a sexual "user" is still open to scrutiny.

--bkl

[liberalitch]

15. I think that some people do well in....

"may/september" relationships.
I am four years older than my SO (35 and 39), but you have to admit that there are some CREEPY older guys out there that like to HOLLA at some girls that are NOT mature enough for that.
I'm not saying age differences NEVER work.... I'm just saying that (if I had one) I would be VERY skeptical of my 16 year old daughter dating a 24 year old.
But as you say... consent was an all around thing for you and your friend.... that's what separates you from the creepy ones.
I'm 100% sure that if it caused her problems (home/school) you would have backed out.

[Dogmudgeon]

16. Hostage to Culture, Hostage to Wealth

It's the cultural pressures that determine most of our social anxieties. Your anxiety about your 16-year old, as a mother, comes from this cultural pressure. I don't say it's unfounded -- the same culture applies pressure toward 24-year-old men to be as sexually predatory as possible, whether it's me or GWB.

For the record, I didn't chase after my girlfriend with the intent of "scoring tail". I've never been predatory at all, but I've also never valued predation. GWB, on the other hand, surely did so, and has admitted it.

Yes, if my friend was "negatively impacted" by our relationship, I would have gotten lost in a hurry. I've actually done this a time or three, and even kept up the friendship. But I actively rebel against the predator-prey relationship that our culture forces on everyone, not just young men. It has been actively promoted of late, and you can see it in the increased dominance/submission scenarios in all popular culture, from the "sweet traditionalism" of C&W to the "smack my bitch up" violence of rap.

And TV commercials! All they need to do is to hire some dominatrices, and the formula is complete!

The "creeps" you speak of are usually normal young men who have surrendered to the social command to use women for sexual release. Now think, what one, single factor raises a man from creepdom to respectability?

Yep ... social altitude.

Class. Money. Power. And GWB had all three.

Most men deal with their creepiness early on, realizing that what they would like to do to get sex from uncooperative "females" is not just illegal, but sickeningly evil. But for a young man of "wealth and taste", there is less of an inhibition. When money can't buy permission, it can buy the excuse that the girl was just using the boy for money.

Most men who establish love relationships with teenage girls of 15-18 are not sick; they simply have found someone they love who is inconveniently young. But most men who seek to "score some jailbait" are criminally self-indulgent. And at ages under 15 for the "girlfriends" of all ages of men, pedophilia becomes a real possibility.

So it's actually pretty easy to see who the creeps really are -- the haughty and powerful Lotharios who learn that they can sow those wild oats and then apply a fresh coating of Roundup® brand herbicide.

A couple of related observations before I hit the post button:

First, in general, these creeps are less to be feared than pitied. Most of them are utterly harmless. The ones who aren't are the high social status boys. They are the ones who can play American Psycho and beat the rap.

Second, I'm well aware that the model I've described is extremely sexist, but that's the way it is with most of these atavistic cultural behaviors. The strong exploit the weak, and in animalistic terms, men are strong, and women are weak. In economic terms, the rich are strong, and everyone else is weak.

Finally, a huge number of Conservatives and "Liberatarians" think that such behavior is normal and natural. They invoke Sociobiology and Evolutionary Psychology and proclaim that it's "hardwired" behavior. And it's exactly why George W. Bush got away with it -- and will never be called to account for it.

But, speaking of "hardwiring", Human Beings have well-developed brains, and we certainly can change our behavior. The only way to get rid of predation and domination is through the human force of thought and communicative social behavior. But isn't it strange how the elite classes always invoke the imperatives of instinct? You would think that for all their attainments, they would exercise more human brainpower.

But again, I give you George W. Bush.

--bkl

[DaveSZ]

18. I'm actually sick of all this age based discrimination

FFs.

[papau]

19. I agree - but I wish Robin Lowman would discuss the abortion Bush paid for

I mean the fellow just signed the Fetus Protection bill making it a crime to harm a fetus-

but then Bush is born again, and God knows our media will not bring it up.

:-)

[spooky3]

21. sorry to disagree, but age taboos have been around a long time.

There are always exceptions and you may be one of them, but generally, there are good reasons for people to look askance at most relationships involving one partner who is 16 and one who is 24 (and similar ages). That is also why there are statutory rape laws in many states. If you are 56 and s/he is 48 (or 64) an 8 year age gap is irrelevant. But if one is 16, that is a completely different matter, according to developmental psychologists.

[papau]

22. True - and I would chase any male more than 2 years older than my

kids

But it is true that age 14 marriages were legal in the west - but usually to age 16 males (except for the nuts in the west who are into multiple wives who are - in my opinion - sick).

And 16 year olds have found happiness with older males - sometimes.

But 15 is below the line I personally draw. Bush was/is one sick person.

[Dogmudgeon]

24. Sex and/or Marriage

The problem isn't with people who become couples.

The problem is with people who prey on the young for some easy, high-status-marking sex.

When a man has sex with a woman, in most traditional cultures (like the conservative suburban Texas oil industry), the man's status rises, and the woman's falls.

For a macho jet-fightin' rich boy, scoring some underage poonage would have been a major status and ego booster. And if the whole town called Miss Lowman a "slut", so much the "better".

If Bush had fallen in love with Robin Lowman, and had dated, or even had gotten engaged to her, it would have been a lot easier to accept. But he was after some "easy meat", and Robin suffered at George's convenience over a period of 30 years.

Sorry to split hairs like this, but I've always found that there was a HUGE difference between being in love and scamming someone into sex.

--bkl

[saracat]

28. Oh! MyStars !

You can't be saying that Dubya was a "sexual user", not like that awful man Bill Clinton? And by the way, Dubya is NOT from Texas anymore than his Daddy was. Check not only his birth certificate, but the amount of time spent there. 6 Months in the Midland School District! George is no more of a Texan than I am. We even come from ajoining towns back east.GAG.That Texas accent is as phoney as a three dollar bill!

[Dogmudgeon]

31. Bill Clinton

As much as I admire the Big Dog, his sexual behavior has been far from exemplary. But Bill didn't prey on sexually naive teenage girls -- he tended to concentrate on the women who were turned on by power and politics.

Besides, he got his ass kicked by every gleeful hypocrite in America. Yet even the idea that George Bush would ever come clean about his transgressions is impossible. Bush, as befits a man annointed by God, has never sinned; Bill Clinton, the spawn of Satan, is surely bound for the Lake of Fire.

And when the Rapture comes, monkeys will fly out of my ass.

--bkl

[genius]

17. After his conversion, he reportedly raped Margie Shoedinger

and caused her to lose their child. He had the hospital deny her medical care after trying to kill her. She had a law suit against him that she was expecting to win - especially after she got the legal representation from attorney's who were convinced of her claims. However, the suit ended when she was shot in the head. Those who spoke to her just prior to her death said she was very positive and looking forward to the future just before she was shot.

[DaveSZ]

20. LOL

You guys are starting to sound like the wingnuts who think Clinton killed Vince Foster.

:boring:

[no_hypocrisy]

25. I'M SHOCKED!!!! * PAID WITH HIS OWN MONEY?!!

n/t

[Nashyra]

26. Back to the subject line

If this is a true story and the womean is married to a CIA or FBI guy which has been widely talked about here and supposed to be in Flynt's book this summer, I wonder how much they are going to like * if the FBI is forced to take the blame for 9-11? Just wondering.

[Dogmudgeon]

27. Excellent point

Actually, I think it will be George Tenet (CIA) who is required to fall on his sword this time.

Robin Lowman married Jerry Garner, an FBI agent. She's be about 47-48 now, and Garner is probably around 50 himself. But the FBI is also being scapegoated by Team Bush, so this is a toss-up case.

Either way, it really depends on how much humiliation Team Bush will be able to cause Lowman-Garner. She's not a stupid woman, and she's certainly seen the Bush Slime Machine work against Richard Clarke, Scott Ritter, and a boatload of less effective critics.

--bkl

[Oreegone]

30. He don't have no stinkin' money

It's all from Daddy or Daddies friends