Obama won the Idaho caucus 79-17, A 60-40 split is a big improvement for Hillary in Wyoming

[Herman Munster]

Limiting Obama's margin to under 62.5% limits the delegate split he will get to 3 or 4 from 7 or 8 if he was over 62.5%.

All this shows is that with a minimal allocation of resources and acknowledging a state exists by visiting it and asking for their votes, she would have substanitally decreased Obama's caucus margins.

At any rate, Wyoming or Mississippi don't matter because no democrat will win it in November. John Edwards called Obama a p***y in private conversations and we can see what happened to him in Ohio and Texas to see why.

If he can't out fight Hillary Clinton and win in the big states upcoming, the superdelegates are not going to vote for him.

[scheming daemons]

1. Um.... Idaho and Wyoming are not the same state... you know that, right?

..

[VolcanoJen]

93. I think Wyoming should matter!!!!!

Wyoming is shaped nice. It looks nice and tidy.

Mississippi is shaped really weird, though. Mississippi shouldn't count.

[Kittycat]

2. Oh hermie - you know you can't compare the two states like that.

Silly you :kiss:

[Herman Munster]

9. not the same

but they share a border for hundreds of miles and have very similar demographics. Both are deep red too.

[scheming daemons]

28. Virginia and Tennessee share a border too... did they vote alike?... what about NY and CT?

Dumb, Herman.... even you are smarter than that...

[Dawgs]

31. Virginia and Tenn., what about Georgia and Tennessee?

I guess a Hillary supporter needs to see something good after losing 13 of 16 by margins that average greater than 30%.

[RazBerryBeret]

3. with your logic...

Does Ohio and Texas count? they will most likely go Republican as well... the win in Ohio had NOTHING to do with John Edwards, don't kid yourself.

[Herman Munster]

13. Ohio will not go red if Hillary is the nominee

She has Strickland and the white working class vote.

Obama will lose the white working class vote to McCain. Ohio is a racist state and won't vote for a black candidate. That's the reality of the world in 2008. Obama has a better shot in 2016 after 8 years as VP to give him more experience and 8 more years means more of those old hard core racists will die off and more younger people who are open minded will become of age to vote.

[krawhitham]

26. Strickland will push for Obama if he is the nominee

He is a good democrat

[Carrieyazel]

85. She'll likely lose it too. McCain is the kind of Repube that appeals to OH swing voters

I agree with you that Obama has no shot at all to win in Ohio.

[KittyWampus]

4. So Clinton says WY & MS don't matter. Why should Super Delegates from those states

and all the other states that don't matter to Hillary bother moving to her camp?

What idiots Clinton and her supporters are.

And sorry if that sounds harsh, but the reality is she lost weeks ago and could only hope to win if she won over almost every super delegate.

[DJ13]

5. um

[fujiyama]

10. That's a very high quality pic?

Any idea which camera was used to take that? Impressive.

[DJ13]

21. No idea, I got it off Google

Its off this website-
http://www.maryhanks.com/southwesterndinnerpartymenuandrecipes
www.maryhanks.com - Southwestern Dinner Party

[featherman]

6. i agree Herman and already posted my take on it earlier

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4973936&mesg_id=4973936

However still worse by a bit than the primary in UT which was closer than ID (56-39).

In WY, it appears that Clinton did best in the I-80 industrial towns of Rawlins, Green River, and Rock Springs and split the vote pretty well in Casper. So the effort Clinton put in did minimize Obama's final delegate margin.

I'd be interested to see how the Native American participation went but am not holding my breath that there will be much on this.

[XemaSab]

7. So you're saying she totally screwed up by ceding all those other states to Obama?

Good to hear a Hillary supporter finally come right out and say it! :D :thumbsup:

[Herman Munster]

18. obviously she did

and that's why her campaign manager was fired.

Maggie Williams has been doing a superb job since coming on. Now they just have to fire Mark Penn too. :)

[XemaSab]

48. So she basically gave Obama 25 states and DC

but she's still ready to lead on day one? :shrug:

The GE, FWIW, is all on one day, so she won't have to eat 26 contests before realizing her strategy is a bad one.

[totodeinhere]

67. If she could screw up a no brainer like that,

just imagine how many things she could screw up if she ever makes it to the Oval Office.

[Bicoastal]

8. John Edwards called Obama a pussy?

Even if that was true, which it isn't, how would that reflect well on Edwards?

[BenDavid]

32. he(EDWARDS) kinda thinks Obama is....he thinks Obama is

kind of a pussy ... He has real questions about Obama's toughness, his readiness for the office ... he has real doubts about Obama, not just as a president, but as a general election candidate...."
Mark Halperin

This is curious language Based on his admission that he “was conveying other people’s words,” it seems likely that either:

1. Edwards told Halperin that he thought Obama was a pussy.
2. Someone close to Edwards told Halperin that Edwards thought Obama was a pussy.

Either way, Halperin’s “conveying other people’s words” comment makes it seem like Edwards, or someone close to him, at some point used the word pussy to describe Obama.Edwards’ possible use of the word “pussy” implies that there could be deeper, more personal reasons for him to dislike Obama.

No matter the reason, John Edwards seems hesitant to endorse Obama.The odd thing about all this is that Edwards hasn’t made any endorsement yet and the longer he waits, the less important his endorsement becomes. Edward’s time to make an impact is passing by, if it hasn’t already.

[Herman Munster]

41. actually I think Edwards could still be a factor

If Hillary wins Pennsylvania big, the next really big contest is North Carolina. The perfect time for Edwards to endorse Hillary and make a difference.

[BenDavid]

44. Herman, my friend, you make a great point and maybe this

will come about. Do not know if Edwards time has passed but North Carolina would be the idea state for Edwards to endorse HRC. Seeing as she has won all the states where the economy is bad and getting worse and many of his populist programs she already had in her campaign....Would be great news....

[cali]

62. Dream on. Pathetic.

She won't win NC. she sure as shit won't beat him by a big margin in PA, and JE isn't going to endorse her. If he was going to he would have done it when it counted. I love that she's going to get beat tomorrow in MS and continue to slide in the polls. You all are desperate. I enjoy it.

[karynnj]

94. Edwards possible comment would be pure chutzpah

Edwards had NO more national security or foreign policy experience than Obama had. In fact, Obama has a national security credential - the bill he and Senator Lugar sponsored on non-proliferation.

Edwards was a weak VP candidate in 2004 - bringing almost nothing to the ticket. He refused to even use the campaign slogan and proudly told the media that he was not an attack dog. It takes a lot of nerve for him to suggest someone who worked as an organizer on the south side of Chicago was weak.

I wish Edwards would refute this comment - I think less of him for it - so I wish I knew it was untrue.

[kid a]

11. What happened to him in TX and OH??? He came back to KICK ass and keep it close!

Your post makes no sense whatsoever. States don't count because they can't be won in Nov?

Kerry lost OH, if i recall. OH doesn't count?

[Dark]

12. Uh, Hillary's the one who needed to win Wyoming by 60 percent.

She needs to win every state by 60 percent to catch up to Obama.

Anything less is a step away from the nomination.

[Kittycat]

52. Actually, I think it's more in the 64% range now.

[quakerboy]

95. 56% of all remaining delegates(pledged and unannounced super)

or 86% of all remaining pledged delegates. assuming that the superdelegates dont abandon her. 44% and 69% for obama, with the same assumption.

[peace13]

14. Reminds me of the young boy sifting through the horse manure.

He was certain that there was a pony in there somewhere. I will give it to the Hillary, supporters they will go the extra mile to make their candidate appear to be on the comeback. I just wonder how long they would have let Obama lag before demanding that he drop out of the race. Peace, Kim

[bicentennial_baby]

15. I see you've reached the "bargaining" stage...

:hug:

[grantcart]

25. lololololol

[VolcanoJen]

16. Sounds like something Terry McAuliffe would say before they cut his satellite feed

"A 20 point loss for Hillary is clearly bad news for Obama, no matter if it happens in Wyoming, Louisiana, Virginia, Idaho, Georgia, Maryland, South Carolina..."

[K Gardner]

22. LMFAO ! I cracked up when that happened last night. Somebody needs to cut Hermie's feed.

[grantcart]

29. nobody can waste threads faster than Hermie

I vote we give him six he cracks me up

[rodeodance]

17. his MO is still in the tank --as his is gone very negitive and is in damage control mode

[kid a]

24. thats funny =)

[cali]

63. bwahahaha. He's back up in the tracking polls and darling hilly

has fallen in them over the last three days. She got virtually no mo from last Tuesday. She's a loser and she's clearly the one in damage control mode as she goes into yet another losing contest tomorrow. What part of she is losing don't you people understand?

[krawhitham]

19. HRC supporters would spin a harm pile of shit n/t

[MadBadger]

20. Hillary Clinton didnt care to campaign in Idaho. Not only did BC campaign, but she made stops too

In fact, she made just as mny stops as he did. So no, it is not an improvement at all.

[grantcart]

23. lol

[bleowheels]

27. Let me know when you get tired of putting your thumb in the dyke

You lost today. Deal with it.

[Leopolds Ghost]

56. That is a sexist remark!

:evilgrin:

[dchill]

30. 60-40 is great...

at that rate she'll catch up to Obama by early '09!

[VolcanoJen]

34. The fair thing to do would be to annex more states

;-)

[bicentennial_baby]

36. !

:spray:

[dchill]

37. More states that have...

primaries, not caucuses, and lots of older white females. Florida, Florida, Florida.
;)

[VolcanoJen]

39. She's a uniter, not a divider

It's getting surreal.

[dchill]

51. Every time I see her on TV, it seems...

more and more like Bush all over again. And I remember how THAT went.

[democrattotheend]

33. He won Idaho so big because he showed up

She showed up this time and did better. Congratulations. Let's see her give a victory speech on it. "Thank you Wyoming, because of your hard work and support, I only lost by 19 points."

So are you expecting Clinton to win Texas in November? If not, how is Texas any more important than Wyoming or Mississippi?

[Renew Deal]

35. lol

Whatever makes you feel better.

[Capt. America]

38. Don't worry Hillary fans...

...Mississippi wont count either. Wyoming and Mississippi are not real states just like Kansas, Idaho, Maryland, Vermont, etc. Apparently, only Hillary gets to decide which states "count" and which ones do not.

[Kahuna]

40. Hey Hoim! How they hangin!

:rofl:

[WillyT]

42. LOL... You Obviously Won't Be Needing One Of These...

:rofl:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

43. Dude, if you don't stop spinning so hard

you're gonna start pulling Gs and your eyes will get all bloodshot. Seriesly.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

45. Bless your heart.

[youknowmenotdlc]

46. meh

Obama increases lead yet Hillary gets a silver sticker for not losing by more than 20%.

I'll grant this to you.

[RiverStone]

47. Wyoming further cements the inevitible...

Obama has already won the pledged delegates.

Privately, SD's have stated they simply won't vote against the popular choice of the voters - and by most accounts, that choice is reflected in delegate counts. He is also ahead of her by over 600K nationally in the popular vote.

And as of yesterday - he picked up 10 of the 13 SD's that declared this week. On top of that - add WY to TX caucuses, and Hillary made ZERO progress to catch up to Obama in delegates - so Tuesday was a wash.

I won't diss any Hillary supporters for holding on to the last second, but we can agree to disagree on the fact Obama enters the 4th quarter with an insurmountable lead.

[grantcart]

49. I wonder who Herman paid of to get the rec

[Moh96]

50. 20 point land slide is a big improvement for you now, nice :)

[BeyondGeography]

53. She's starting to get the hang of it after 43 states

:thumbsup:

[ctaylors6]

54. I believe Idaho was open caucus, Wyoming closed

[dempartisan23]

55. huge win for obama

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

57. Hooray!

Instead of losing in an Alan Keyes-style landslide, she lost in a Walter Mondale-style landslide!

We're #2! We're #2!

[adoraz]

58. "Wyoming or Mississippi don't matter" -LOL!

oh the irony.

of course they matter. this is a delegate battle, use your head. EVERY state matters, including states Democrats always win or always lose in the General Election.

and Hillary *****only***** lost by that margin because she campaigned in the state. still an embarrassment.

[grantcart]

59. I think it is absolutely cruel how people keep kicking Herman Munsters threads because

they really show how far ahead Obama really is and how pathetic the Clinton spin is in handling it.

It sickens me that you continue to keep this thread coming back and back so he will face further humiliation.

Shame on you.

I will give an update of my outrage in 15 minutes.

[Mooney]

64. Kick! n/t

[grantcart]

66. lol please see # 61 below

[cali]

60. that works both ways, hermie

All Obama has to do is limit hilly to a 10 pt or less lead in PA like he did in CA, TX and OH and she's exactly where she is now- losing. He'll win MS and sorry dearie, but it counts when it comes to getting the nomination. He'll win NC which is a big state. And Obama just slapped down hilly hard- and no that's not sexist. He's beating her and he'll continue beating her and she'll be cooked by June.

[elixir]

61. Making a great point... once again, Herman.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

65. did Cousin It come up with your logic here?

[StevieM]

68. The establishment candidate always dominates (buys) the caucuses. Barack is the ultimate

establishment candidate. And not a nice man either.

Steve

[grantcart]

70. Yes Barack Obama is the candidate who has been the number 1

Democratic Brand having occupied the Whitehouse and the Senate for all but 2 of the last 16 yearswith the most successful Dem machines since Roosevelt.

You really have to decide if he has no experience or his the candidate of the establishment Steve - you cannot have it both ways.

[StevieM]

71. Sure I can. The establishment has cannoninzed a man with no experience. And he's not even a nice man

eom

[dchill]

69. "A 60-40 split is a big improvement for Hillary"

Yes - now she can take a few deep breaths and dive back into the slime.

[rodeodance]

72. You are the slimy one with a nasty comment like in your text. Shameful

Yes - now she can take a few deep breaths and dive back into the slime.

[dchill]

74. Amateur.

Ad hominem.

[shadowknows69]

73. Of course it is dear

[grantcart]

75. how many idiotic threads by HM can we get on the first page at the same time?

[Thepricebreaker]

76. Wow you spin so much you should be a DJ.... WOW... n/t

[PseudoIntellect]

77. All right. Where's your evidence that the superdelegates are going to vote against him?

The SDs said time and again that the pledged delegates will be heavily, heavily considered and will not be overturned. Also, are there any trends indicating that HRC is gaining ground in superdelegates? Not really; it's more like the opposite, as has been the trend for the past month or more. Your view is wishful thinking when faced with the facts.

Same Clinton tactics: 'you democratic voters in Mississippi and Wyoming are absolutely meaningless.' What's the motivation then for the SDs in those states to go AGAINST the will of the people and FOR someone that hands out such insults?

[CreekDog]

78. I could understand you getting the squarish western states mixed up

But Idaho is a completely different shape.

[DiggerDan]

79. I've give you credit Herman

You are full of shit 100 percent of the time, but you are persistant. Something to be said for that.

[casus belli]

80. Reality Check

She could win the remaining states 60/40, and get 55% of the remaining supers and STILL not have enough to get the nod.

http://www.forbes.com/2008/02/27/obama-clinton-election-oped-cx_jb_0227delegates.html

[grantcart]

81. and just cause its so much fun to see people freak out to Herman logic-kick

[grantcart]

82. Before we get the returns in on Mississippi everyone will want to relive some

of the fun of previous Clinton spins. Remember now if Obama gets less than 75% of the votes its a good thing.

[Teaser]

83. crack pipe much?

.

[Occam Bandage]

84. Yep. If Hillary had run a competent campaign, she could have done better. Too bad she's

proving herself an incompetent executive.

[grantcart]

86. How many times do I have to say it

Its not day one yet.

[ProSense]

87. "60-40 split "? Evidently it wasn't as big an imaginary improvement since the split was 61-38. n/t

[grantcart]

91. I think it is absolutely cruel how people keep kicking Herman Munsters threads because

it just puts him on the front page and subjects twisted Clinton logic to more ridicule




I'll be back in 15 minutes to refresh my opinion

[onenote]

88. I hope you have spread pillows around you on the floor

Because when you stop spinning, I suspect you're just gonna fall down.

[book_worm]

89. Actually 61-38 but why quibble? a 20 or 23 point margin it's still a landslide.

[CreekDog]

90. The OP is a prime example of "a foolish consistency..."

:dunce:

[IamyourTVandIownyou]

92. But Obama just won a BIG STATE (Texas)!

Final Texas Delegate Count

Obama 98 Clinton 95

http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Obama_wins_Texas_Not_Hillary




So, Bill Clinton, if Hillary actually lost Texas, should she quit?

[quakerboy]

96. Just to help grant achieve his HM front page goals

kick

[grantcart]

97. I resemble this remark

[quakerboy]

98. I reassemble that.

[grantcart]

99. Is it possible that this is not the stupidest thing written by him?

[grantcart]

100. Is it possible that this is not the stupidest thing written by him?

[OzarkDem]

101. Obama can't win the big states

that's why his campaign is self-destructing and turning to GOP style dirty tricks.

[grantcart]

102. Clinton:"Feb good for Obama, March good for HRC" ****Obama wins March***

Clinton:"Feb good for Obama, March good for HRC" ****Obama wins March***
The uncanny ability of the Clinton campaign to be 100% wrong on every aspect of this campaign has now been confirmed with the latest

results showing that Senator Obama has won more delegates in the months of January, February and March.

Senator Clinton's campaign spin at the end of February was that they were turning the corner. "We always knew February was gonna be

a good month for him,. . .March is gonna be a better month for us."
http://cbs4denver.com/national/democrats.hillary.clinto...

It turns out that, not surprisingly, the forecast of Clinton winning big in March was wrong - Obama won more delegates.

. . . . . . Obama . . . . Clinton

January . . . .63. . . . . . .48

February
Super Tues. 847. . . . . . 825
Rest of Feb 288. . . . . . 163.5

March . . . .209. . . . . . 206

Total. . . . 1407. . . . . .1242.5



How exactly is he self-destructing?

[grantcart]

103. I am sorry where is your response? do you ever do anything but say

idiotic things and then run away?

[NJSecularist]

104. What is IGNORED saying?

I have IGNORED on ignore. You should do the same. They are not worth your time.

[grantcart]

105. This one from the ozark area is one of the last

Obama can't win the big states
that's why his campaign is self-destructing and turning to GOP style dirty tricks

in this case it helps keep the very insightful brilliant thread by the mentally challenged deviant alive so it has a use

[RBInMaine]

106. You're trying to put lipstick on a pig.