Super Delegates: Please end this nightmare NOW

[DeadElephant_ORG]

Folks, I hate to say it, but Hillary's scorched-earth strategy has pushed the clock. At our current rate of self-destruction, our party cannot afford to wait six weeks for Pennsylvania - within two weeks Hillary will have already destroyed either of our candidates' ability to compete with McCain. We're losing the general election RIGHT NOW.

Super Delegates exist to protect the party from suicide. The time has arrived for the Super Delegates to do their job. If they are unwilling to tolerate such statements as...

"I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."

... then they must announce for Obama NOW, and put the Clinton campaign out of it's misery.

[Eurobabe]

1. I totally agree, her narcissistic personality disorder is showing. n/t

[DesertFlower]

3. yes. it is, but it seems her

supporters can't see it. and they say obama supporters are "delusional". :crazy:

[DesertFlower]

2. it's not going to happen. nt

[Horse with no Name]

4. Oh here is another "scorched earth" talking point

Wish I had a dollar for everytime something used that particular RW phraseology.

[istopforcookies]

5. Senator Clinton didn't endorse McCain

I want to vote in the primaries.

Senator Clinton is a W O M A N, oh the horror! The Shame! The Sobbing!

I had to deal with this nonsense when Jane Fernandez was president of Gallaudet University.

Senator Hillary Clinton, kick Senator Obama's butt!

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohaoooooooooo!

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[adoraz]

9. huh?

is it just me, or was that post completely random?

[bilgewaterbill]

10. That was almost coherent.

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[JackORoses]

18. Hillary will have plenty of time to stop for cookies too, after she withdraws

She might even have time to bake a few.

[Maddy McCall]

27. Well, that explains your adherence to the Anointed One.

[JackORoses]

42. What? You mean that I think Hillary Clinton is a bad joke?

[bhikkhu]

47. OK. lay off the baking snarks

I have two daughters and cook breakfasts and dinners every day. Which means what, politically or socially?

edit: sp. and punct., damn.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

70. Hmmmmm, Imagine That. Blatant Sexist Overtones In Your Post.

Why am I not surprised?

[Ken Burch]

35. None of us are against HRC for being a woman.

We're against the arrogance, the conservatism,, the hawkishness and the sense of entitlement of her supporters.

And we're against those of her supporters who still think they can call themselves "progressive" after daring to argue, in this day and age, that we still can't nominate an African American for president.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

56. thank you. very well summed up.

[Window]

66. Bingo!

[SoCalDem]

65. .....

[DeadElephant_ORG]

73. the tenor of Clinton supporters' remarks is getting more and more wild.

[DesertFlower]

6. this was written by someone on another board.

"Hillary has climbed over bodies (figuratively, of course. I think) to get where she is. He has stood by her husband, a serial adulterer. That was bad enough, although it is her choice. It speaks to her character, though. But she has also defended his actions. Inexcusable. I'm not talking about the adultery, either, but the lies. And the financial shenanigans. The chinese connection.

Hillary doesn't care for the people. I doubt she cares for Bill. She may care for Chelsea. But mainly she cares about Hillary. If I had to choose between them, I would probably choose Obama."


he's a conservative so he won't be choosing, although he is not happy with McCain.

[Beacool]

8. I see nothing wrong with her remarks.

She just stated the truth. A truth that most people were already aware, denying facts does not alter them.


:shrug:

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[DeadElephant_ORG]

13. I see no pundit, nor any official in the party who will defend her remarks.

[Beacool]

29. I don't give a rat's tail end what any pundit has to say about anything,

whether it be pro or anti Hillary. It is still true that Hillary and McCain are far more experienced than the very junior senator from IL, it's silly to pretend that it is not factual.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

33. maybe you dont.... but you care what the Super Delegates think of that remark - DON'T YOU.

[cali]

60. No she didn't. To claim that all Obama has in the way of experience

is a 2002 speech is not the truth. It's a lie. And if you think SDs appreciate those comments, boosting McCain over someone who may very well be the dem nominee, think again. Hillary hasn't received a single SD comment since she made them. Obama has received 10. Expect that trend to continue. Claiming a lie as the truth doesn't make it so.

[Maddy McCall]

12. Just because a bunch of Obama supporters want to act like brats and demand the primary end...

does not mean it's the best thing, or even that most Democrats feel the same way you do.

What you want is UNDEMOCRATIC. Who are you to tell the remaining states that their vote is not needed--is worthless?

You people need to get a grip.

[MonkeyFunk]

16. No kidding

makes you wonder what they're so afraid of.

[Maddy McCall]

19. They evidently have no problem with disenfranchising voters.

They don't want FL or MI seated. They don't want the rest of the states to vote.

They are NOT Democrats if this is how they feel. And god knows that their "feelings" are the most important thing to be considered.

:eyes:

[MonkeyFunk]

22. Yup

just like Florida Republicans in 2000, they insist on a blind adherence to arbitrary rules.

They have no interest in democracy - they want their guy to win. It's as unprincipled as the Florida mob in 2000.

[KAZ]

25. We're trying to save the party. We really don't give a shit about..

.. you.

[MonkeyFunk]

28. No you're not

you're trying to get your guy elected and pretending you're being principled.

You guys are the most unprincipled whiners I've seen since George W. Bush took office.

[Beacool]

38. Bingo, give the man a prize!!!

That's precisely their concern, they only care about their guy being coronated. Well, 13 million people decided that the race needs to go on.

Yes, we can!!!!!!!!!!

[KAZ]

Sorry, I see a poster screaming for attention. I really, really,..

.. don't care. What else can I say? Kewl monkey thing you have going? :)

[Maddy McCall]

34. Ha! No, you just want to get it your way, NOW.

Fucking Veruca Salt, that's what you are.

Spoiled brats.

[JackORoses]

30. we don't want to waste time and resources fighting a battle that is over

That will only aid McCain.

The current situation will not change even if we wait for all the rest of the Primaries. Obama will maintain a pledged delegate lead.

So the Supers might as well make there decision now and allow the party to move on.

You are the ones who are afraid. Afraid that this is actually finished. Afraid that all your investment in Hillary will go unrepaid.

That is why we see the continued calls for a 'Dream Ticket'.
Hillary has reached the Negotiating stage of loss.

[MonkeyFunk]

32. ah, there's your mistake

it's not over.

[JackORoses]

43. basing that on any facts or do you believe in magic?

[MonkeyFunk]

52. I'm basing it on the simple fact

that neither candidate has 2025 delegates.

If you're playing ping pong, and the score is 19-17, do you just call the game over? No.

[JackORoses]

54. your entire argument is based on the notion that Supers will ignore the Pledged delegates

It is a false argument to base your debate on.

This isn't Ping Pong.

This is more like Chess. Hillary is down to just her King and a Pawn.
Sure she could knock all the pieces off the board and call it a victory, but that wouldn't make it true, now would it?

[MonkeyFunk]

55. Neither of us knows

what the superdelegates will do. There's no rule compelling them to go either way.

So how is my argument false? You don't know any more than I do what they'll do.

[JackORoses]

57. the only hope for Hillary to win is that the SDs overturn the Pledged delegates

You admit this.

Do you support this?

And if you do not, then what is the point of wasting all the time and resources that an extended Primary battle will cost us?
You must realize it is not a benefit.

So it comes down to whether you approve of thwarting the will of the voters just to get your candidate in.
How about it?

[MonkeyFunk]

58. I can think of many reasons

why the superdelegates should support Clinton.

IF she has the popular vote over Obama, I think they should vote for her. If she's better positioned to win in November, they should vote for her.

YOU want to thwart the will of the voters if you demand they vote for Obama if he doesn't have the popular vote.

[JackORoses]

59. The Popular Vote meme is a sham. It doesn't include many of the Caucus states.

I guess you are one of those who feels that Caucus states just don't matter, right?

[Maddy McCall]

36. "only aid McCain" is like "dissent only aids the enemy."

You've got your little right-wing talking points down quite well, don't you?

[JackORoses]

44. She is aiding McCain with her statements

They will be used in his ads for the fall.

Hillary's praise of McCain isn't a right-wing talking point?
You could have fooled me.

[Maddy McCall]

46. "dissent only helps the enemy" That's soooo neocon.

[JackORoses]

49. She said McCain is better prepared to be Commander in Chief

That is betrayal. And you are right, it is the action of a NeoCon.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

39. very well said. thank you

[JackORoses]

24. just because you and others cannot let go of the Hillarite dream

does not mean that reality is suspended.

Delegates have always determined the Democratic nominee, and this will not change.

You people need to learn how to lose with a little grace.

[jgraz]

61. Not demand the primary end. Rather, point out that the primary has in fact ALREADY ENDED

And as far as UNDEMOCRATIC goes, which is more "UNDEMOCRATIC"? Asking that we accept a clear victory and move on, or using smears, lies and backroom arm-twisting to try to overturn the results of 43 independent elections?

[DeadElephant_ORG]

72. thank you.

[Eric J in MN]

14. "wait two weeks for Pennsylvania"? Try April 22, 2008. NT

NT

[Maddy McCall]

17. Culture of instant gratification.

I want it NOOOOOWWWWW!!!!

[emilyg]

23. Right on!

[JackORoses]

37. that image is more like Hillary saying, "But it's mine! Mine! Mine! Mine!"

Sorry, Hillary, in the United States there are no Royal entitlements.

[Maddy McCall]

40. Hillary, unlike you, wants to let the voters VOTE.

You want it now, goddam it, NOW!!!

Brats.

[JackORoses]

48. sure she does. that's why she is against having revotes in FL and MI?

What we want is for Hillary to accept her place with the rest of the normal human beings.

She is not special or above the rules. The game does not get changed just because she has lost.

Hillary could learn a lesson from Veruca Salt.

Where's an Egg-dicator when you need one?

[istopforcookies]

41. Royal entitlements

thy name is Saint Obama.

Try again.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

20. holy sh#t - you're right. It's 6 weeks! The makes the point much more so.

I had the wrong month.

You think this can go on for 6 weeks ? and we can still beat Jonny boy?

[emilyg]

21. There was no endorsement. Grow up.

[KAZ]

31. Most people see it differently. She crossed the line.

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[Maddy McCall]

51. The shoe fits.

Fuck you.

[Mooney]

26. Not to nitpick

but Pennsylvania is in SIX weeks.

Have you considered a monastic retreat?

[DeadElephant_ORG]

53. R U sayin' that if tomorrow all remaining SDs declared for Obama that'd be "undemocratic" ???

[jgraz]

62. Don't you get it? ANYTHING that results in Obama winning is UNDEMOCRATIC!!!1111!!!

:banghead:

[DeadElephant_ORG]

71. ahhh... now I understand.

[npincus]

63. how true.... who can organize them for an en masse declaration?

Al Gore?

[Kahuna]

64. I agree....

[Unbowed]

67. This is exactly why we have super delegates. They can save the party from destruction.

They need to put an end to this. The party needs to censure Clinton. Her statements are poison for the democratic party.

[K Gardner]

68. Agreed. Interesting to watch these "seasoned politicians" sit back while the party

disintegrates and opine about their own self-interest.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

69. BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Someone's Getting SCARED!!!!! ROFLMAO!!!!!!!

Pwease, oh pwease superdewegates end this now. I'm scared... I'm so so scared. Obama's being exposed as someone who maybe isn't the better candidate, and it's scaring me that Hillary can win this afterall. Oh pwease sd's, pwetty pwease, make my anxiety go away. I can't take it anymore! Wahhhhhhh, wahhhhhhhh, I can't take the pressure! Wahhhhh wahhhhh make it stop! Pwease, pwetty pwease, stop it now before we lose. Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
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