I would vote for a Clinton/Obama ticket

[cali]

I would vote for an Obama/Clinton ticket. I will vote for the dem period. And I think all of you proclaiming that you won't are selfish, egocentric little gits who are putting your own precious little feelings over the good of the country and the entire fucking world. I don't care how you try and tart it up as noble principles. It's not.

I will vote for Clinton if the SDs give it to her even if she's trailing in pledged delegates. I won't like it, but that's the system. It won't be cheating. Talk of amassing a mob in Denver to threaten or pressure the delegates is vile. I want no part of it.

This election is too important to hand over the White House to Mad man McCain.

I will vote for the dem, even if I'm not happy about the choice. There really is no other sane option.

[John Q. Citizen]

1. It's not going to go to the convention. Nobody except Hillary wants that.

[annie1]

31. nobody except hillary? you sure speak for a lot of people! wow.

[John Q. Citizen]

45. I stand corrected. Yes, McCain, Limbaugh, and the Repos are hoping it goes to the convention.

I forgot about them!@

[thunder rising]

2. And so you have nothing to say that will be heard; you must be willing to throw your vote in order

for the DLC and Democratic party to compete for you.

There is a good diary on a topic that I have known for a long time. Those of us on the left are a commodity, owned by the Democratic party. We are the Republicans Christian right.

If the DLC and the Superdelegates give the nomination to Hillary against the will of the people, the country needs to be given McCain. Only when you are able to separate yourself from the party will the party listen to you. Why do you think the independents get so much attention.

[cali]

6. what puerile nonsense

Some of us actually give a shit about the Supreme Court and our rights, and we recognize that the people Clinton would appoint are a far sight different than those McCain would support. Of course, it's not only the SC, but climate change and other issues.

I may need a clothes pin but I'm not a fucking idiot. I knew there was a big difference between Gore and bush. And I know there's a big difference between Clinton and McCain. I won't be happy if she gets it when he has more delegates, but I won't be an idiot who pouts and tarts it up with your kind of bullshit.

[grantcart]

3. Christ Cali has run out of kool aid - somebody send an emergency shipment

:beer:

[JackORoses]

7. cali is much like Switzerland.

Friendly to the Allies, but not really into joining the fray.

I salute cali's ability to be objective regarding Hillary.
I, myself, cannot do so any longer.

What good will 7 weeks of Hillary saying McCain is better prepared to be Commander in Chief do?
SDs should end this now.
The Pledged delegate race winner can be called.

[cali]

8. ack. don't get me wrong. I'd love to see the SDs settle this

now, and I deplore the way Clinton has run her campaign, but I keep in mind that Hillary is not near so much the enemy as John McCain.

[JackORoses]

12. I know you have a good heart.

and you're probably right that Hillary will still be in the Party after this
just not in the White House ;)

I think I can get along with her better when she is not trying to take something away from the People.
Something which they really need not just for themselves, but for their children and those yet to be born.

Maybe our wish will be granted and after a Mississippi Flood, the SDs will come out for Obama.
I think this is at least what he is holding his 50-SD bloc for.

[shrub chipper]

38. Well then

maybe Clinton beter remember that McCain is the enemy and not Obama

[Petrushka]

10. "SDs should end this now."?? B-but -- (** pout **) -- MY state's primary ain't 'til mid-May! (eom)

[JackORoses]

13. if Hillary is praising McCain now, what would she be doing by May?

we do not want to know.

[Window]

14. I certainly don't want to know.

[terrya]

4. So would I.

Exactly as you said. I remember Bluebear made an excellent comment in one of his posts....he said that John McCain is unsuitable to be President of the United States. And that is as truthful a statement as you can find.

[silverlil]

5. I will not accept your position.

Obama has to come out swinging that he will not accept the VP position. What the third wheel after the former President Clinton?

No way, Obama has to stick by his path.

God, Hillary has pissed of the black and white people of this nation.

[cbayer]

47. No, Hillary has pissed off some Obama supporters.

She hasn't pissed me off.

[woolldog]

9. has nothing to do with my precious little feelings

but I can't vote for a candidate who's consistently used, in my judgment, racist tactics. I'm AA and I won't vote for someone like that regardless of party affiliation.

[cali]

11. I agree that Clinton used

very questionable tactics: She undoubtedly tried to frame Obama as "the black candidate" when he was clearly trying to position himself as a candidate who happened to be black. And that is deplorable. But here's the thing, McCain would be far, far worse for AAs and every living thing than Hillary. I think he's even nuttier and more reactionary than bush. So although I hear what you're saying, I can't agree that any dem of any race should sit it out if she's the candidate.

[Cha]

33. Hi Wooll Hussein Dog!

I hear ya loud and crystal clear. hilary and her bloody dirty advisers think they have Democrats over a freakin' barrel, don't they?

gawd, I'm so glad we're backing someone with principles who, btw, already made the statement he will not be ol' "in yur dreams" hilary's VP.

[democrank]

15. A reasoned approach, but I`ve come to a different decision.

I`ve supported Democrats (including the Clintons) for over four decades, but have finally come to the conclusion that helping the party on its steady move to the right goes against my core values.
Since the occupation of Iraq is the single most important issue to me, I can not vote for someone who helped enable Bush to bring about the most disastrous foreign policy decision of my lifetime. It is my belief that Clinton will continue her constant...I Am Woman-Hawk...program.

Secondly, I want real change. I want the Democratic Party to break free of the DLC stranglehold, the influence of big money, the overpaid and under-principled consultants, and the habit of caving in to Republicans. We need a sea change of new ideas, not the rehashing of the Clinton era. It is beyond my comprehension that so many in the Democratic Party could assess where we are and conclude that the very best we can do is rerun the 1990`s. How tragically empty.

No, I won`t vote for John McCain, nor will I reward Hillary Clinton for her part in the heartbreaking ruination of Iraq and her people. McCain`s chest beating is no more dangerous than Clinton`s rabid ambition. The only difference is that Clinton is willing to destroy her own party to get what she wants.

[TomClash]

16. Doesn't matter - Hillary's probably not getting the nomination nt

[earthlover]

20. And if she does get the nomination, she has a 0% chance of winning in november

[BootinUp]

17. I will glady give this a K&R

and my sentiments are the same, as a Hillary supporter I will vote for Obama if he is the nominee because its assinine to claim you are for the Democratic party or its principles and then say you won't vote for the Dem nominee because your favorite candidate did not get the nom.

[DFW]

18. Amen to that, especially your last phrase

I am still completely ambivalent about whether it's HRC of BHO, but the thought
of McCain in the White House ought to be frightening enough to convince even the
most fanatic haters of one or the other to vote Democratic. Obviously this is not
the case, but sanity is not a requirement to register to vote. If it were, President
Gore would be finishing up his second term this year.

[dkf]

19. Well Cali, you do realize that Hillary will looks at posts like yours as encouragement

to do anything she damn well pleases right?

Thanks a lot.

[bettyellen]

22. i'm sure Hil's people are doing Cali searches right now. Uh huh. Grow the fuck up.

[dkf]

24. I am grown up and therefore quite aware of how Hillary Clinton needs to be

expunged from our party, not leading it.

[cali]

26. How fucking ridiculous can you possibly get?

My posts are utterly irrelevant, and I know it.

[bettyellen]

30. your best posts ever

this and the OP

[golddigger]

21. Wow Cali a voice of reason, As a Clinton supporter I would vote Obama/Clinton

ticket. I won't like it either, but like you said "I will vote dem."

I will even go farther to say the two candidates will be on the same ticket. In what order I don't know, but the powers that be will demand it.

[dansolo]

34. Would you vote for Obama if Hillary is not on the ticket?

[ozone_man]

23. I don't think Clinton has a place in the Democratic Party anymore.

She reflects the attempt by the DLC to move the party right, making it indistinguishable from the Republican party.

Now it's time to regain the party and restore it to Democratic ideals. Let the Democratic wing of the party take over, the Paul Wellstone or Howard Dean wing. The pendulum is swinging in American politics and now is not the time to hold back that momentum. The environment can't wait, the economy can't wait, the world can't wait. Clintons are not change. They're status quo politicians. It's been a fun and interesting race up to now, but it's now time to bury Clinton and the DLC forever.

[mtnsnake]

27. Without Bill and Hillary Clinton there would be only remnants of a Democratic Party left. Wake up

[Bluerthanblue]

42. Now this is a perfect example of Idolitry and exaggeration-

If Bill and Hillary represent all that is left of this party, perhaps this party is over.

:shrug:

peace~

[ozone_man]

51. The other way around I think.

They almost destroyed the Democratic Party as we know it, making it indistinguishable from the Republican Party. Some go as far as to say that Bill Clinton was the best Republican president there ever was. NAFTA was Bill Clinton and that has ruined the country. Well, that is an exaggeration, but you get the point.

I think Gore, Dean, Edwards, and several others exemplify what the Democratic Party is all about, the Democratic wing of the Party, the the heart and soul of the Party.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

25. I won't.

I'll probably write in a candidate in '08.

Everybody votes their principles.

[Thrill]

28. Why would any Democrat vote for McCain. I can't for the life of me understand that?

[Exilednight]

41. R&D aren't the only choice.

[VolcanoJen]

29. I'm voting for the Democratic ticket in November.

In Ohio. Where it matters, and matters a lot.

Any other talk is foolish, but until this thing is over, cali, I'm fighting for Obama all the way. I imagine you are, as well. :hug:

[Adelante]

32. I will vote D

But it's a losing ticket in November. I sincerely hope it never comes to this.

[Pushed To The Left]

35. K&R! I agree 100%. There is no other option

We can't have 4 more years of Republican rule in the White House, even though I fear that's where we're headed if the Party becomes any more divided. The bottom line is that either of our candidates' Supreme Court nominees will be 1000 times better than McCain's right wing nominees.

[Johnny__Motown]

36. Will you vote for a McCain/Clinton ticket?

[cali]

43. No, of course not. But then I don't live in an alternate universe.

In the real world, no way you ever see that.

[Exilednight]

37. It has nothing to do with feelings and everything to do with principle.....

I can not, in good faith, support a candidate who has:

1. Voted for the IWR and not apologized for that vote. She can parse words all she wants, but regretting is not the same as apologizing.

2. Voted for the use of cluster bombs.

3. Voted against a bill that would outlaw torture.

4. Used backhanded racist smears to win the nomination.

5. Used the rovian tactic of instilling a sense of fear as a reason to support her.


I could go on and on, but my feelings have nothing to do with.

I will not vote to replace a fear-mongering racist hawk, with another fear-mongering racist hawk. Just because she has a (D) in front of her name, it doesn't make her a true Democrat.

[Bluerthanblue]

39. good for you- you can make your point without

trying to belittle those people who feel differently than you though can't you Cali?
That is what this foolish primary has gifted us with it seems.

Some of us will vote for the Dem candidate no matter how repugnant that is to us-

That doesn't make me 'noble' or 'good' or 'right'-

I'm sick of the righteousness all over this stupid primary-

It's getting to the point where it really doesn't matter in the long run- people will continue to be what this primary has exposed each one of us to be.

Not very pretty no matter who we look at.
Myself very much included.

:shrug:


peace~

[OzarkDem]

40. So will I

not Obama / Clinton, however. Losing ticket, he's the less experienced candidate.

[cali]

44. you are completely full of it.

As always. You either will vote for the nominee or you won't, and it's likely to be Obama, and you have said you won't. So don't say you agree with me. You don't. The day you and I agree on anything is the day I know I've lost my moral bearings. I don't lie. You? well, that's been made clear.

[walldude]

46. I'm with you. My vote goes to the Dem... no matter who it is

That's why I spend very little time in GDP, it's pointless. If endorsing the Republican candidate and playing the fear card wasn't enough to push people out of Hillary's camp, nothing will be.

[cbayer]

48. I completely agree with you

And am quite fearful of the haters who can not see the logic of your argument.

I am very hopeful that we will have one of the two options you outline. It can't happen soon enough for me.

[noiretextatique]

49. i will also vote democratic in november

the choice is clinton or obama...or another four years of republican insanity. it would indeed be insane to help mccain win. there are other issues, as you mention, that are more important than the two personalities involved. regardless of the objections to either candidate, "hope and change" is not going to happen if mccain wins.

[greyghost]

50. Well said.