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Staples Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:15 AM
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Dick Morris: It's Over
http://thehill.com/dick-morris/its-over-2008-03-06.html

It’s over
By Dick Morris
Posted: 03/06/08 06:02 PM

The real message of Tuesday’s primaries is not that Hillary won. It’s that she didn’t win by enough.

The race is over.

The results are already clear. Obama will go to the Democratic Convention with a lead of between 100 and 200 elected delegates. The remaining question is: What will the superdelegates do then? But is that really a question? Will the leaders of the Democratic Party be complicit in its destruction? Will they really kindle a civil war by denying the nomination to the man who won the most elected delegates? No way. They well understand that to do so would be to throw away the party’s chances of victory and to stigmatize it among African-Americans and young people for the rest of their lives. The Democratic Party took 20 years to recover from the traumas of 1968 and it is not about to trigger a similar bloodletting this year.

John McCain’s nomination guarantees that the superdelegates wouldn’t dare. A perfectly acceptable alternative for most Democrats, McCain would harvest so large a proportion of Obama’s votes if Hillary steals the nomination that he would probably win. Even putting Obama on the ticket would not allay the anger of his supporters; it would just make him complicit in the robbery.

Will Hillary win Pennsylvania? Who cares? Even if she were to sweep the remaining primaries and caucuses by 10 points, she would move just 60 votes closer to Obama’s total of elected delegates. And she won’t sweep them all. Even if Hillary wins Pennsylvania, the largest prize up for grabs, Obama will probably win North Carolina, which is almost as large. He’s likely to win Mississippi and Wyoming and has a good shot in Oregon and Indiana. The most likely result of these coming contests is that Obama will be roughly where he is now, about 140 elected delegates ahead of Hillary.

Suppose that Hillary will carry those states by enough to offset Obama’s delegate lead. The proportional representation system makes a knockout impossible and so mutes relatively narrow victories as to make them almost inconsequential. Little Vermont, with 600,000 people, gave Obama a net gain of four delegates, half of what Hillary won from the Texas primary, a state with 20 million residents. Even after Hillary won big-state victories in Ohio and Texas, she drew only 20 closer to Obama’s total of elected delegates.

Hillary won’t withdraw. That much is for sure. The tantalizing notion that 800 insiders can offset a season of primaries and caucuses will drive both Clintons to ever-escalating rhetoric. Will their attacks hurt Obama? Likely all they will achieve is to give him needed experience in the cut and thrust of media politics.

Left out of the entire equation is poor John McCain. Unable to get a word in edgewise and unsure of which Democrat to attack, he will have to watch from the sidelines as Hillary and Obama hog the headlines. If the superdelegates deliver the nomination to Hillary in the dead of night without leaving fingerprints at the crime scene, McCain’s nomination will be worth having. If Obama prevails, it won’t be worth the paper on which it is written. The giant killer, Obama will have soared to new heights of popularity and McCain won’t be able to bring him back to Earth in the nine weeks that will remain.

Suggestion for Obama:

The next time Hillary uses the recycled red phone ad, counter with one of your own. When the phone rings in the middle of the night, have a woman’s voice, with a flat Midwestern accent, answer it and say, “Hold on” into the receiver. Then she should shout, “Bill! It’s for you!”

Because with Hillary’s complete lack of any meaningful experience in foreign affairs, and her lack of the “testing” that she boldly claims, she’ll be yelling for Bill.

Morris, a former adviser to Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) and President Bill Clinton, is the author of Outrage. To get all of Dick Morris’s and Eileen McGann’s columns for free by email, go to www.dickmorris.com.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:17 AM
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1. Don't bring that right wing POS here. NT
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:26 AM
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22. that ring wing POS was brought into the Clintons' inner circle & kept there til Dick's sex scandal
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:28 AM
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29. You're right. And that was one of their big mistakes. Morris has been
dining out on his relationship with the Clintons for almost a decade.
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hueyshort Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:30 AM
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50. every woman wants to have sex with Dick Morris
;-)
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hueyshort Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:11 PM
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65. the above was intended as a joke, of course
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:56 AM
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44. He's Like Most Of The Clintons' Inner Circle
Smart and evil.
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hueyshort Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:13 PM
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66. Right. Al Gore and Wes Clark are real sneaks.
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:18 AM
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2. Dick Morris? Are you sure your at the right site? Lmao! troll alert.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:27 AM
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25. what does it say about Clintons' that they hired him and didn't fire him ti they had to?
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:18 AM
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3. Dick toe licker morris may not be the best source. nt
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:28 AM
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28. He was good enough for the Clintons.
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hueyshort Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:14 PM
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68. so was Al Gore
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:18 AM
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4. I can't stand Hillary...but Morris sucks too..ugh
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:21 AM
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11. You misspelled toe. You wrote "too" instead.
Just joking... lol
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:24 AM
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17. ha ha
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janetblond Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:24 AM
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18. I Hope the DNC is reading this .. !!
"John McCain’s nomination guarantees that the superdelegates wouldn’t dare. A perfectly acceptable alternative for most Democrats, McCain would harvest so large a proportion of Obama’s votes if Hillary steals the nomination that he would probably win. "

================================================================

Listen up, DNC.
We all know GWB STOLE 2 elections.
One from Gore and one from Kerry. BOTH of them allowed it, tucking their little tails behind them and walking away.
If YOU (DNC) think you can let Hillary steal this nomination from Obama by "giving" him superdelegates, I've got news for you ...
I and many other Dems WILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN.
So, you better watch your A$$!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:19 AM
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5. A reminder to all DUers that it was the Clintons that brought Dick Morris into the White House
and that in addition to providing political advise to the Clintons, Dick pimped for Bill.

As to Morris' analysis, it is right on target, as it is most of the time (which is why the Clintons hired him to begin with).
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:46 AM
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41. Yep, Morris is a Dick...
but he sure is right on point here.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:20 AM
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6. God help me I agree with Dick Morris
.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:20 AM
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7. When I read the title of your thread
I assumed you had meant Dick Morris' relevance as a pundit was over.

Than I remembered --it has been for some time.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:22 AM
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13. It can't be over
if it never existed in the first place. I don't think anyone has ever taken him seriously. I sure don't.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:28 AM
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31. Very true, Dick Morris ever being right falls in the stopped clock category.
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:20 AM
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8. Well... DICK Morris IS what his name says he is....
but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a point. I personally agree with his analysis of the race. But, he IS a RW hack. Hmm...how to slip in a toe sucking joke...hmm... ohh well... Remember to put on a flame suit. :popcorn:
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:21 AM
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9. Welcome to DU. 1st of all Morris is not credible, seeing as he's slime.
2nd of all, you are in violation of DU's copyright rule.

:hi:
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:21 AM
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10. What's with that graphic?
Is that the Obama genie rising from a star?
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:22 AM
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12. For once in his life Dick Morris is 100% correct. nt
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:23 AM
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14. Robert Reich says Dick Morris was Hillary's idea.
When Bill Clinton lost his governorship, it was Hillary Clinton who commissioned Dick Morris to advise the Clintons on a no-holds-barred campaign to retake the governor's mansion.

http://www.alternet.org/election08/78928/
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:42 AM
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39. Wow, that is disturbing and tells us a lot about her. nt
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:23 AM
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15. Morris has been sworn enemy of the Clinton camp
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 10:28 AM by rocknation
since Bill fired him for telling national secrets to hookers.

His math is correct, but his credibility is nil.

:boring:
rocknation
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:24 AM
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19. Morris shared hookers with Bill
They both have the same lack of morality.
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:23 AM
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16. It is hard to give
Dick Morris any credibilty. However, he does make some good points here. I am not so sure though that Clinton's scortched earth approach will serve only to strengthen Obama. She could very well be inflicting a mortal wound to his candidacy that sets up a McCain win in November.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:25 AM
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20. Though I think Dick Morris is political slime,
I'm not going to slam you for posting this. He is an amoral political operative for sale to the highest bidder which actually makes this particular take all the more interesting.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:28 AM
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30. he is RW slim---and DU should NOT be posting it as their 'evidence"
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:30 AM
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33. Not too rightwing for Clinton to have him as an advisor.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:40 AM
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38. You know darn well that was years ago. YOUR post is irrelevant
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:47 AM
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42. Sure, whatever.
I gave my views on Morris.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:33 AM
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35. He is just as much slime as the Clintons
It was Hillary that brought Morris to help them win the governorship in Arkansas.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:26 AM
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21. Everything Morris says is true
instead of complaining about his politics, try refuting his arguments.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:26 AM
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23. Too many Obama supporters relying on right wing media. please stop.
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:27 AM
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24. McSameAsBu$h is "A perfectly acceptable alternative for most Democrats"?
That just can't be right. That just can't be right.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:27 AM
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26. Now Dick Morris is your "evidence?---not only you but lots of Obamafans. shameful
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:43 AM
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40. Hillary Clinton made Dick Morris. nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:29 AM
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49. and you know he has turned into a Fox slime RW pundit!
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:30 AM
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51. He hasn't changed since Hillary knew him. Thats who he is and always was. nt
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:27 AM
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27. Kick...
:kick:

And a note that this is what happens when the Clintons scorn their own... These folks will come back to haunt them. There are many out there who were stabbed in the back (Robert Reich comes to mind) and they are now surfacing more and more.

Is this what the DLC wants? Division within your own fringe group's ranks? Why not just step down and forget this year and perhaps regroup. Now is not your time. There are too many skeletons in the DLC closet and the door is now open.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:30 AM
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32. yeah, that right wing hack that Bill and Hillary hired as a
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 10:36 AM by Carolina
chief strategist and advisor for the 1996 campaign, much like Mark Penn today.

Funny how they choose such types, and how they inspire NO LOYALTY from those who know them at their dirty best!

Much as I loathe him, the Dick is right.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:32 AM
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34. I wish I had a nickel for each time Morris was wrong.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:33 AM
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36. "The giant killer, Obama"
i like it
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:36 AM
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37. This is one of the two times the Broken Clock is right.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:54 AM
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43. Dick Morris was Bill Clinton's chief strategist
I'm sure a lot of the things you like about Bill Clinton's policies were due to Dick Morris.
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:02 AM
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45. Morris was responsible for salvaging Clinton's re-election
I think Morris is a jerk but Bill Clinton apparently loved his advice back then. No surprise. The Clintons will do anything to get elected. We're seeing that again now.

http://www.caglecartoons.com/archiveColumnist.asp?columnistID=CA079D16-9DF1-49EC-A86B-01A5050C35E7

Dick Morris, one of the nation's most prominent political consultants, is almost universally credited with piloting Bill Clinton to a stunning comeback re-election victory in 1996, after the president lost Congress to the Republicans two years before. Called "the most influential private citizen in America" by Time magazine, Morris helped steer Clinton to the center and away from the liberal policies he had pursued in his first two years in office. Morris is also credited with advising Clinton to sign the welfare reform bill of 1996 and getting him to back a balanced budget, both key centrist positions. Morris began his relationship with Clinton in 1977, when he handled the Arkansas attorney general's successful campaign to become the youngest governor in the nation. Morris did not work on Clinton's defeat for re-election in 1980, but he did oversee his comeback victory in 1982, as well as his re-election victories in 1984, 1986 and 1990.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:04 AM
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46. and??--ancient history.
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:08 AM
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47. I despise Morris. Your heroes, the Clintons, used him as a close advisor.
What does that fact that it was 1996 (not at all ancient history) have to do with these facts. You'd crucify Obama if he ever used someone like Dick Morris for advice.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:12 AM
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48. " it would just make him (Obama) complicit in the robbery."
This is true. I doubt that blacks will take kndly to being put in the VP position.

Better than nothing? They've heard that excuse for too many generations.

I think he's right: We'll lose those voters if we override their primary vote. Plus, it will give McCain more anti-hillary votes.

They can't override the popular vote for Obama. Their party doesn't have the votes.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:08 PM
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52. "I doubt that blacks will take kndly to being put in the VP position."
:wtf:
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:03 PM
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56. They want Obama on the top of the ticket, for sure.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:04 AM
Response to Reply #56
69. And you know this how?
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 08:04 AM by BleedingHeartPatriot
P.S. just a reminder. Know your audience.
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BigDaddy44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:12 PM
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53. Why do we always attack the messenger instead of the debating the issue?
Okay, fine, Dick Morris is a pig. I heartily agree. However, this is a good analysis that provides a lot of fodder for debate. Instead, all I read is "Dick Morris???? How DARE you post him here?!?!?!". If Dick Morris is so bad, you should be able to attack his analysis instead of attacking the poor poster who put this up.

So, any of the crowd outraged that this is posted here care to take a crack at why the analysis is wrong? (I happen to think its spot on)
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 06:02 PM
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54. I am SOOO bookmarking this "talking out of his ass" Morris speculation.
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 06:02 PM by BleedingHeartPatriot
This is going to be fun to reread.

:bounce:
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 06:05 PM
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55. you obama folks align yourselves with a toe sucking whore
monger that dislikes hrc so much he would write something so damn wrong just to be writing something. If all you got is dick morris then you chit out of luck.....
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:06 PM
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62. Um... Hillary and Bill were the FIRST Democrats to align themselves with Dick Morris....
He was hired after the 1994 midterms at the suggestion of Hillary Clinton.


I agree with you all 100% that Dick Morris is scum..... doesn't it bring into question Hillary's judgement that SHE WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN THE CLINTONS HIRING THE GUY!?!?


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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:09 PM
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64. He was Bill's advisor for like 20 years!!!
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:33 PM
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57. ...and this little piggy cried "wee wee wee" all the way home...
Toe jam. Yum.

Maybe he's right, but he's a truly toxic organism and he thirsts for revenge against the Clintons with a seething ugliness that would eat through glass.
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:36 PM
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58. agree.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:38 PM
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59. LOL
:rofl:
Thanks for the laugh!
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bagimin Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:54 PM
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60. This just goes to prove that old adage
"Even Dick Morris can be right".
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:00 PM
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61. Dick Morris was on Fox a week before the TX Primary telling "All Texas Rethugs to vote for Obama"
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 10:05 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
This is rich!


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:07 PM
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63. Why did Hillary hire this guy in 1995? Shouldn't we be questioning her judgement?
..
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:13 PM
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67. And Bill Clinton was on Rush Limbaugh......
and they were both telling the Right Wingers to vote for Hillary.

And you know what?

They did!

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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:40 AM
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70. When was Bill Clinton on Limbaugh's show? I've seached his website, ewww, and googled
it, all without luck.

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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:43 AM
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71. Toe-sucker GO HOME!!!! n/t
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