Texas: Obama 98 Hillary 95

[youknowmenotdlc]

So why does the MSM continue to call this a "Big win" for Hillary?

Hillary picked up 1 delegate on Obama as a result of the 3/4 primaries and it's still reverberating as a "big win".

The correct narrative should be that the race's status quo was maintained and nothing more.

But I guess they have to have a "big comeback winner" top sell airtime.

[Thepricebreaker]

1. ..because they have nothing else to talk about so they want to keep this going

[Horse with no Name]

56. Texas will NOT have pledged delegates until June

and the numbers can change between now and them. Sounds like you are lying since a link proving this was not provided...just a relatively low-post new poster frothing numbers at the mouth calling a win in a state who won't have a winner until June.
Pavlov would be SO proud of this experiment.
Obama--clap clap clap
Hillary--Boo Boo Boo

You obamites have been relegated to a psychological experiment gone bad.

[Blarch]

2. Oh the irony.

the Hillary supporters keep claiming it is Obama who gets the free pass from the media. But here we are ....again.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

3. they need a battle for ratings. that is it.

except for Faux, I doubt that the actual stations have political opinions, even tho it is obvious that many of the actual reporters are less than even-banded.

[movonne]

4. And maybe that is a sure way for us to lose...

[sandnsea]

6. Scarborough says its "interest groups"

They're bombarding the station presidents and advertisers pressing for more coverage of Hillary.

[VolcanoJen]

5. Congratulations, Obama, on winning Texas!

:bounce:

[Lucinda]

9. I missed the final caucus count. What was it?

[tekisui]

38. He won the Delegate count from the Primary side of it.

The Caucus count still isn't finalized. He'll pick up more delegates, there.

[Lucinda]

41. Who has the different numbers?

CNN and the NYT still show Hillary +3 on the primary.

[tekisui]

44. The Green Papers, However I think that is with the caucus.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/TX-D.phtml

That may be my mistake. They show Obama- 99, Hillary --94.

TX only had 126 tied to the Primary, so that must include the Caucus, too.

[Lucinda]

51. Thanks for that link! Every place I go seems to have different numbers :)

When I find two or three that seem to agree i'm shocked. :)

[tekisui]

53. I know, I usually survey them.

I like the Green Papers, though, they seem to be very deliberate. They break it down clearly and won't update until things are confirmed.

[Lucinda]

57. It's a new resource for me. I love their slogan

"WE WERE BLOGGING BEFORE IT WAS COOL"

I'll keep an eye on them from now on. Thanks for mentioning them!

[Cha]

55. A Win is a Win unless

it's a hilary "win" with champagne, confetti, and all kinds of corks a poppin.

[Lucinda]

7. Because it was. He outspent her, had huge crowds, and couldn't produce a big win.

They know the supers are looking at that fact.

I agree that it's also about keeping this thing going for the ratings. Which is also why they took Hillary out before. They wanted a horserace.

[tokenlib]

8. If you look at the poll deficits in the weeks leading up to TX and OH he did fine...n/t

[Lucinda]

10. Mar 4 was a very bad day for him. So was yesterday. But it can all change on a dime

and Mississippi is coming up.

[youknowmenotdlc]

16. What constitutes "Very bad"?

It seems that he won two out of four contests and lost only one delegate from his delegate lead, although this might be construed as a loss "very bad" is only perception and not supported by reality.

[Lucinda]

19. He won 1 out of 4 until those caucus numbers come in and the media has been with Hillary

almost non-stop since then. The media has settled on the no-one can win without the supers story and that is not good for Obama.

[Lucinda]

23. del

[TwilightGardener]

17. Winning Wyoming was a bad day for him? Did he lose, that I didn't hear about?

[Lucinda]

20. The MSM was all Hillary all the time last night.

MSNBC in particular was all about THE RACE IN PENNSYLVANIA with an occasional "Oh Yeah, Obama was +3 in Wyoming" today. Obama's +3 is great for Obama supporters, but I guarantee Obama's not too happy today.

The whole election has been media driven. Hillary held him to a +3 and the media has moved on...

[JackORoses]

65. Hillary in no way held him. She got stomped. Is falsehood a coping mechanism for you?

[CTLawGuy]

22. Yesterday was a bad day for Obama?

ok Baghdad Bob whatever you say.

[Lucinda]

26. See post 20

[Upton]

24. How was winning 61% a bad day?

[Lucinda]

27. See post 20

[high density]

61. You are putting too much emphasis on the MSM reaction

For one thing, MSNBC's audience is probably about 200k on average for the weekend blabfests and a great deal of those viewers are political junkies like us that are rather immune to it and just roll our eyes at the BS.

[JackORoses]

64. He won 2 of 4 last Tuesday and 61% of the vote in WY

He is sealing this up.
MS will give the SDs the excuse they need to make their call.

[stray cat]

12. Just a few weeks ago Clinton was favored by large margins in OH, TX

and now the spin is that Obama should have big wins in both states to be competitive. The Clintons are definetely better at spinning the story in the media - I'll give them that.

[Lucinda]

15. A couple of weeks is an eternity in a campaign though.

I can't believe we have soooo many weeks between Mississippi and PA. Anything can happen.

[stillcool]

28. Actually not anything...

the Clinton Campaign having depleted the kitchen sink will continue traipsing around in the plumbing flinging what ever pieces of shit it finds there. In the meantime, as we know, Obama has won more delgates, the popular vote, and is concentrated on doing what he does best..winning elections. I can not believe you would find any of this "troubling" for anyone but Hillary Clinton. But then mental masturbation is not one of my strong points.

[Lucinda]

29. The media is with Hillary at the moment. She doesn't have to say anything

Obama is doing it for her.

Obama, since Mar 4, has been pushing for her taxes, and asking the media to dig in to her claims about experience, which he was foolish enough to say, on camera, he doesn't think she has.

The public seems perfectly fine with the release of her returns around the normal tax day, and the MSM, especially CNN, has been running the clip of Obama on the plane talking about her lack of foreign policy experience, and then immediately running a piece of her participation in the peace process in Ireland and her speech in China.

Obama needs to regroup fast.

[stillcool]

31. Oh now see...

the cable talk shows lost all credibility with me over two years ago. I get my information from the internet so I'm not up on the spin-o-rama coming through the tv screen. They are a joke, and if nothing else, this Primary season is no joke. While I'm sure some people are still lapping up that shit, I believe there are many more...especially those dreadful 18-29'ers that tuned out long ago. Obama is not winning this thing through the tv screen.

[Lucinda]

35. Of course he is. The media coverage is exactly what get's the people to the polls.

The vast majority of voters in this country will never attend a single rally. They do see the media coverage, via the news programs and the comedy shows. The media creates the excitement and boosts the candidates. If they are good candidates, they build on it, as Obama has done...

Ask DK and Edwards supporters about how the lack of media coverage kills a camapaign.

[stillcool]

37. Really?

How do you think all these people made it to the rallies? Have you not heard of the Obama Campaign's Superior "Ground Game". You know, where volunteers work to get their candidate elected sans media reports? You may choose to view this election through the media's lens, but please, do not assume that everyone else follows suit. This is not 1990. From a few states:

[Lucinda]

39. You perhaps missed all the media coverage that helped him build

the excitement to come out for those rallys. I didn't.
They built upon great coverage. And did it extremely well.

[stillcool]

48. You are delusional...

None of this was covered in the media until after the fact, and even then the crowds were not shown. I got emails from the Obama Campaign. That's how I found out about the rallies. How did you? What state do you live in? Did you attempt to go to a rally? Did you know when Obama was in your state, and where he would be?

[Lucinda]

54. And how did you know Obama was running in the first place?

How did they get your email address?

[stillcool]

59. Right here...on the internet...

See, that's where I get my news. Being a Democrat, I get emails from all my representatives, lots of Democratic Organizations, as well as my state party. Don't You? Now the rally, I think I first heard of from an email I got from Ted Kennedy (he's my Senator)..but I'm not positive. Surely you get all the same emails, no?

[Lucinda]

63. And you are in the minority. Most people get their political info from their television.

A small percent of the population votes. An even smaller percent of that group is politically active and does their own research.

Obama's excellent ground game was enhanced big time by the media. Media coverage boosts a candidate's success and can tank that same candidate's campaign in a heartbeat.

[stillcool]

66. I don't know those "most people"

that you do. I know of no one, that does not get some if not all of their information from the internet. I also know of no one, except hard core political junkies that watch the crap on MSNBC, CNN, or FOX. That is so 90's. As far as Obama's campaign the media was stunned by the incredible amount of people he engaged. Stunned! They had no idea. But you didn't answer my question. Has Obama had a rally in your state?

[Lucinda]

67. Obama's been hit steadily by the media since Mar 4.

Mississippi's numbers should tell us if that matters or not.

[TwilightGardener]

18. He outspent her to come up 15-20 points to within 3%. And he ended up

with more delegates, and won the caucus (by all projections)--seems like that was money well spent.

[Lucinda]

21. I mentioned in my reply to your Woming post why I think it's problematic for him

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4987178&mesg_id=4987986

[snappyturtle]

50. I bet the supers are also looking at the fact he narrowed Hillary's

pre-primary lead by many percentage points. Hillary's win in the primary was no where near where it needs to be or where many thought it would be. His money and big crowds worked.

[CoffeeCat]

11. Obama needs to have the REAL victory party.

Hillary Clinton gained a couple of delegates on Tuesday. In response, she organized
a blow-out bash, complete with confetti and loads of laughariffic pointing at the crowd in
various directions, "Thank you! YES and Thank you! Oh, and thank YOU!"

Since Obama won Texas by 3 delegates, and Wyoming by 2---if we use Hillary's celebration-standards, Obama's
wins easily justify a major, marathon Obamapalooza--with several bands playing at Madison Square
Garden (and of course tons of confetti and dozens finger-pointy 'thank-you gestures.

Let's do it up!

[Cha]

58. Lol...Obama should have a very

special Thank You Par-tey for Texans that the m$$$m can't help but REPORT!! :party: :bounce: :loveya: Texans :bounce: :party:

[dbonds]

13. WY is being called a 'near-split' in the delegates.

What spin. Obama got 7 and she got 4 with a bonus delegate left that he will get. That is twice the delegates.

[PseudoIntellect]

30. LMFAO

So 60/39 is a "near split," but a 51-47 primary (psssst... net -3 delegates, but who cares; delegates don't matter) is a HUGE victory for HRC.

I hate the media right now.

[EndElectoral]

14. THe media wants this to go for the AD money. Simple as that.

[DevonRex]

25. Even MoDowd

called Texas a win for Hillary in her column today. Makes you go hmmm....

[donheld]

32. Now's when I'm missing Molly Ivins

I just know she'd have some great things to say on this whole Texas primary/caucus crap.

[rainbow4321]

33. M$M is trying to stay relevant

Who's going to watch their talking heads in a race that is already decided (for Obama). They will keep up their bullshit til the convention.
the last thing they want is for HRC to step down cuz then viewers will tune out til the end of October.

[AJH032]

34. Maybe, because she got more votes?

unless of course you consider Bush the true winner of the 2000 election.

[PseudoIntellect]

40. Maybe, but that would imply that the TX caucuses were somehow rigged and BS.

[DesEtoiles]

36. kick

[RBInMaine]

42. Because the MSM is right wing biased corporate CRAP !!

[Ichingcarpenter]

43. 95 is greater than 98 here is why

If your kid was born in 95 he would be 3 years older than a kid born in 98, therefore
13 is greater than 10! I hoped that helped to explain the new Hillary Math.

[Scurrilous]

45. Kick

:kick:

[kentuck]

46. But that doesn't count because...

he won by the rules.

[Eurobabe]

47. Because she pays their bills n/t

[debbierlus]

49. The media wants a contest

Thus, it creates a contest.

[mculator]

52. yawn

as if caucuses weren't Obamanations

[stillcool]

60. and that's not all...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democrati

c_vote_count.html

States that Obama has won...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/...
Alabama
Alaska
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
District of Columbia
Georgia
Hawaii
Idaho
Illinois
Iowa
Kansas
Louisiana
Maine
Maryland
Minnesota
Nevada
North Dakota
South Carolina
Utah
Vermont
Virginia
Virgin Islands
Washington
Wisconsin
Wyoming
+Democrats abroad

states that were tied
New Hampshire
Missouri
***Texas-add to Obama column
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democrati

c_delegate_count.html

Delegate Count (2,025 Needed to Win)
Obama-1588
Clinton-1465

[Marnieworld]

62. This has been making my blood boil every time I watch the "experts" speak

He won Texas- more delegates= win. She didn't make a dent in his lead but there's all this talk of her big comeback/momentum/victory. It's like an alternate reality and we've had enough of that for 7 years now.:grr: