Here is what Hillary actually SAID

[mudesi]

I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House and Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002.

Here is the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou4JnWQsxKw

Has anyone bothered to note that besides the implied endorsement of McCain over Obama, that this statement is a bald faced lie? Not to mention utterly insulting? Really, Ms. Clinton? Obama has nothing more than a speech he gave in 2002?

How does one define "lifetime of experience"? Because if you're going to include everything that came before being involved in politics, Obama has just about as much experience as any of the candidates. Hillary Clinton is only 14 years older than he is. And if we're going to pick a president based on life experience, shouldn't McCain therefore win by default?

Of course, defining it that way would be silly. So here is Hillary Clinton's experience as a politician compared to Obama. And no, that does not include her being married to a politician.

United States Senator: 8 years

That's it, ladies and gentlemen. She has served as a public representative for 8 years of her life. She was elected in 2000 and reelected in 2006. She has run an election campaign twice. The first time was a cake walk.

Obama, on the other hand, was elected to the Illinois State Senate in 1996. He served three terms, being reelected in 1998 and in 2002. He also ran for the United States house of Representatives in a Democratic primary in 2000, which he lost. In 2004, he ran for the U.S. Senate and won, and that is where he is today.

That's 12 years in political office to Hillary Clinton's 8. That's 5 election campaigns to Hillary Clinton's 2.

Barack Obama knows how to run a campaign. Barack Obama knows how to win an election. Barack Obama can defeat John McCain in 2008. Hillary Clinton has demonstrated quite clearly that she does not have what it takes to beat the Republicans in November. She doesn't have the experience.

[UALRBSofL]

1. And this is what Obama said

Read my signature line.

[Emit]

5. And Ronald Reagan is dead and, therefore, not a candidate in this race

in case you hadn't noticed.

[Nine]

21. Ronald Reagan runs every year.

He is synonymous with the Republican Party in many people's minds. And the Clinton years are what define the modern Democratic party more than anything else (whether or not you agreed with all his policies). This year more than any other will be a referendum on the policies of our Party vs the policies of the Republicans. Obama praised Reagan for bringing "accountability" back to government after the "excesses" of the 60s and 70s. He basically rehashed the old Dems = big government, Repubs = party of responsibility meme. That hurts all Dems in a year where we really had the Repubs on the ropes regarding the failures of their policies.

[Kahuna]

23. That is not what Barack said. He said that Reagan "offered" accountability...

He didn't say he provided it.

[boppers]

24. "Clinton years are what define the modern Democratic party more than anything else"...

And you do you think it's a coincidence that we kept losing elections until Dean came in to change that perception, and steer the party towards a different direction?

[Nine]

43. I think Clinton could have won a 3rd term if not for term limits.

I think the election was stolen in 2000 and 2004. And I think that's even with a Republican-controlled media.

[krkaufman]

65. Agreed. We need to change the direction of this country in a way that Bill Clinton failed to do.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4989107&mesg_id=4997774

[rodeodance]

29. Obama reincarnated Ronnie---then endorsed him

[Lucinda]

34. LOL

[rodeodance]

37. Why would Hillary endorse Mccain for the job when she wants it?--NON-sense that

the obamafolk have been putting up on 100's of threads day after day---swarming in like smelly puppies!

[Lucinda]

40. Ya gotta run with what ya got?

Plus I think some do actually believe you're not supposed to point out the opponents weakness, just your own strengths.

[Why Syzygy]

78. That's the question. WHY did she?

The obvious conclusion is because she's a spoiler. No other has been advanced.

Why do you hate puppies?

[dchill]

60. I find your statement to be dense...

false, and entirely unproductive. Like the rest of your posts.

[Why Syzygy]

77. Dense ..

I was searching for that word to describe his posts.

[TriplePlay]

74. And it was OK for Bill Clinton to praise Reagan???

More Hillarious Hypocrisy....

The Ideas Bill Forgot

By E. J. Dionne Jr.
Friday, January 25, 2008; Page A19

It was a remarkable moment: A young, free-thinking presidential hopeful named Bill Clinton sat down with reporters and editors at The Post in October 1991 and started saying things most Democrats wouldn't allow to pass their lips.

Ronald Reagan, Clinton said, deserved credit for winning the Cold War. He praised Reagan's "rhetoric in defense of freedom" and his role in "advancing the idea that communism could be rolled back."

"The idea that we were going to stand firm and reaffirm our containment strategy, and the fact that we forced them to spend even more when they were already producing a Cadillac defense system and a dinosaur economy, I think it hastened their undoing," Clinton declared.

Clinton was careful to add that the Reagan military program included "a lot of wasted money and unnecessary expenditure," but the signal had been sent: Clinton was willing to move beyond "the brain-dead politics in both parties," as he so often put it.

His apostasy was widely noticed. The Memphis Commercial Appeal praised Clinton a few days later for daring to "set himself apart from the pack of contenders for the Democratic nomination by saying something nice about Ronald Reagan." Clinton's "readiness to defy his party's prevailing Reaganphobia . . .," the paper wrote, "is one reason he's a candidate to watch."

[DearAbby]

8. Someone did dig up that tired old ass Reagan

and he is currently running for President....Well shit, I had turned off the TV years ago, lookie what I missed. :sarcasm:

[Johnny__Motown]

9. Yes he changed the trajectory, right into the toilet.. what is your point?

[hedgehog]

12. And isn't he right? Isn't the entire DLC all about seperating the Democratic Party

from the heritage of the New Deal because Reagan was so successful in trashing it?

[Bluerthanblue]

15. read your own sig line without your

Hate glasses on-

Read this as if you were an editor, or a H.S. English teacher.

Does the statement say that Reagan changed the country in a POSITIVE way? This statement is not an 'endorsement' of Reagan's policies by ANY stretch of the imagination- It is a statement acknowledging the effectiveness of it. You can effect something profoundly in less than 'positive' or 'good' ways. Did America change in a drastic way under Reagan?

I sure as hell believe we did- The Reagan years allowed the neo-cons to dig their roots deep. The Clinton years were effected in very negative ways by what was laid down during Reagan's tenure. If you can't see the difference between Hillary claiming that only 'she' and McCain have what it takes to be president- and Obama talking about the effectiveness of the Reagan machine, then you must have even less intelligence than I do-

:shrug:
sheesh
peace~

[krkaufman]

67. Exactly. We need to change the direction of the country ...

... from the Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush direction we've been going for nearly 3 decades. (The meaning is pretty clear if one can "hear" the comment without having a reaction to the name "Reagan.")

[Gore1FL]

35. If I am not mistaken

Reagan did put the country on a different path because the country was ready for it.

Now it is ready for a new path.

Describing history is better than speculating that the GOP opponent is more qualified to be president than either dem candidate.

[Not the Only One]

46. that Obama statement is factual

I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America (he did, even if we don't care for the direction of the trajectory)

in a way that Richard Nixon did not (Nixon didn't change the trajectory of America, except to make Americans more pessimistic about their Presidents/politicians in general)

and in a way that Bill Clinton did not (Clinton didn't change the trajectory of America, except to give us a booming stock market). Nixon, Ford, Carter, Bush 41, Clinton, and Bush 43 will not be viewed as transformative Presidents decades from now. That's actually part of the tragedy of Bill Clinton's time in office-- so much wasted potential. Bill Clinton could have been an amazing President, but he was more concerned with his needs over the needs of the country. Bill Clinton didn't provide leadership on things like renewable energy. We should be free of dependence on oil right now. We aren't because it wasn't a priority for Bill Clinton. He didn't lead the country and its voters to see that there was a grand future ahead of us that we could embrace if we had the courage to make it happen.)

He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. (Bill Clinton signed Republican welfare reform into law, which was a Reagan proposal. That's pretty amazing when you think about it. It's because Reagan was effective at getting America to view government as the problem, not the solution. That's very transformative. It's 180 degrees away from FDR, another transformative President.)

There's nothing untrue about what he said and I don't care if a politican tells me the truth about anything. I don't have to like hearing it. But it still is true.

[krkaufman]

68. Fantastic post. n/t

[alteredstate]

72. You nailed it.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

49. Undeniable.

Point out the part where that different path is approved beyond the dynamic itself.

I'll be waiting.

[not_too_L8]

50. it is statement of fact, if you read the context of the statement

(which I know you have, but chose not to include it) he is not endorsing ronnie

snip//
I think about those who transform how we think about ourselves as a country in fundamental ways...And, you know, there are circumstances in which, I would argue, Ronald Reagan was a very successful president, even though I did not agree with him on many issues, partly because at the end of his presidency, people, I think, said, “You know what? We can regain our greatness. Individual responsibility and personal responsibility are important.” And they transformed the culture and not simply promoted one or two particular issues.

[cali]

51. It's called analysis, genius

It's not praise. It's fact. And virtually every political historian says precisely the same thing. Sorry, you need an education.

[thoughtcrime1984]

62. What he said is the truth

He did not say that he liked that it happened or that he likes Reagan. He said Reagan greatly changed the trajectory of US politics. Which is what he wants to do, but in a very differnt trajectory. The nation is ready for a new path to replace the one that is increasingly viewed as not working. Obama could be to politics for the Dems, what Reagan was for the Repubs- someone who totally changes the way our nation operates.

[krkaufman]

64. Right. I wholly agree with Obama's sentiment...

... that Nixon may have been a better liberal/progressive than Bill Clinton.

Nixon effectively continued liberal/progressive policies, while Clinton effectively continued Republican/Conservative/Reaganomics policies.

We need to change the direction of this country from the Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush path that we've been on for nearly 3 decades.

[Jed Dilligan]

69. It's true, and it's also true if rephrased

substituting "Adolf Hitler" for "Ronald Reagan," "Franz von Papen" for Nixon, and "Kurt von Schleicher" for Clinton.

Neither statement implies that the subject in question was GOOD.

[Martin Eden]

75. Obama's quote about Reagan

"I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it." -- Barack Obama

That is a valid observation about Reagan's impact, but not an endorsement of the trajectory.

Obama was making the point that a presidency can transform the political landscape -- precisely what Obama's candidacy is about.

[stop the bleeding]

2. Both sides have their views entrenched on this issue

:popcorn:

[Joe the Revelator]

3. So she did endorse McCain over Obama. Thanks for the proof

[UALRBSofL]

6. And Obama slammed Bill Clinton's time in office

How dare he turn against a candidates Husband. Endorsing a dead president's principals and ideas over a candidates husband is like being a traitor.

[donheld]

14. Barack no more endorsed that dead president than you did

stop the lying. Barack told it exactly as it is.

[BootinUp]

25. He sure as hell did, I say no blood no foul at this point. nt

[cali]

52. bwahahaha. shorter you: That damned impudent Obama, how

dare he get in the way of my queen's annointment as nominee.

Oh, and the rest of your post? sick falsehood.

[AtomicKitten]

4. Of course she did. Her PsyOps are trying hard to say otherwise a la Goebbels.

The truth prevails and thanks for posting it here :)

[Quixote1818]

7. K & R

[Johnny__Motown]

10. As a loyal Dem, I consider that comment ... MONSTEROUS....

[UALRBSofL]

11. Oh lord not the monster word

Obama has already been getting that word out using the fringes of his campaign to do his dirty work.

[Johnny__Motown]

66. Sorry, just showing that it isn't that bad a word. Trying to show that at least

[rocktivity]

13. Her problem, intentionally generated or not, is that she dragged McCain into it

How could it NOT sound like she was suggesting that we'd be better off with a Rethug Bush clone than Obama? Besides, if we should choose Hillary over Obama because she has more experience, shouldn't we choose McCain over Hillary because HE has more experience?

:headbang:
rocknation

[mrreowwr_kittty]

16. Shit, she's endorsing McCain over herself there!

She THINKS she has the experience but she KNOWS McCain does. :wow: :puke:

[mudesi]

18. I was going to point that out as well

But I wanted to see if somebody else noticed. :evilgrin:

[donheld]

17. Lynyrd, don't beat yourself bloody over them not getting it.

They are liking their delusions. It's what keeps them going.

[maddiejoan]

19. and HERE is what Hillary really actually said

"I think you'll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say. He's never been president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech made in 2002."

[walldude]

20. She pretty much wrote McCain's best campaing commercial

right there. "McCain, he's got the experience, even Hillary Clinton agrees". "I'm Hillary Clinton and I approved this ad".

Someone tell me how McCain is going to use Obama's so called endorsement of Reagan to help his campaign.


I'll vote for Hillary if she's the nom but damn, I still can't believe any Dem hates Obama so badly that they could see what she said as anything but an endorsement of McCain.

[rodeodance]

38. STUPIDITY--WHY WOULD HILLARY ENDORSE MCCAIN WHEN SHE WANTS THE JOB? SILLYNESS

[mudesi]

39. Maybe she doesn't

Maybe she wants McCain to win so she can run again in 2012. She knows she can't win this time.

[stray cat]

22. And the background image was "if you want your children to die vote for Obama"

if you love your children and want to keep them safe vote for Clinton or McCain.

[annie1]

26. it's an almost bitchy comment at worst, so what? is she supposed to tout his resume?

i like her off the cuff comments, that comment is gonna "tear the party apart"? gimme a break. let him tout his own damn resume. he said she's bush, to me, that's a lie and worse not reading off his resume. if he said that about her i certainly wouldn't be crying over it the way obama supporters seem to really be freaking out. chill out. you stated his experience, that's good, that's what he'll do too. it's not up to her to read his resume. but his speech is basically what he's been touting forever and a day now. it's all i freakin' hear. let him tell me he's served 3 terms. no big deal. geez.

[mudesi]

27. That was NOT off the cuff

She has repeated these comments several times. They are calculated and political, and meant to tear Obama down.

And they are lies, of course.

[Name removed]

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[annie1]

33. what's the lie? he does have a speech. he will put it forth. is it a lie by omission?...

that he has other stuff? it's up to him to fill in the blanks. which is fine, he's got a mouth, 1,000's and 1,000's go to hear him speak, they'll hear him fill it in.

[mudesi]

36. Yes. A lie by omission

You got it.

Condensing Mr. Obama's experience as a speech he gave in 2002 is a lie. Read the OP.

[annie1]

44. so she should read off mr. obama's resume. ok.

[mudesi]

45. Give me a break

You're spinning like a top now.

[Cha]

71. "Off the cuff"..brawawawwawawawaw

Another clinton apologist.

[Berry Cool]

28. No need for her to tout his resume.

But touting McCain's OVER his is going too far.

[annie1]

30. he will put it forth. i don't think anyone can debate this 72 year old man...

who's been serving his country for 50 years is not going to put forth a lifetime of experience. ???

[rodeodance]

32. see my comment just above.

[alteredstate]

73. It's quite a bit worse than a "bitchy comment"

And you're the one who used the term "bitchy", not me.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

41. What I am suprised about is no one is talking about the "WILL" part in that statement

"I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House and Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."


She know something we don't?

[suston96]

42. Hope and inspiration trump experience anytime....especially when that 3:00AM phone rings....nt

[cali]

54. Judgment is vital. I largely trust his, and yes he has plenty of experience

to go with it- more than Lincoln had when he ran, and that turned out OK. I do not trust Hillary's judgment and she exaggerates her experience.

[Vinca]

47. I think she counts her experience in dog years. nt

[alteredstate]

55. I think we have a DUzy here!

:thumbsup:

[Mooney]

81. HA HA HA HA (etc)

[bigtree]

48. 'implied' That just means that you've stretched what she actually said to fit your interpretation

She did not endorse McCain as she made the factual point about their respective experience in military and foreign affairs.

[snappyturtle]

53. Once again HRC's campaign switches tactics....wasn't it last week

she said she had 35 years of experience? NOW, it's a lifetime of experience.

[dchill]

56. "...this statement is a bald faced lie?"

Well, her lips were moving...

[Catherina]

57. It's just like Former senator Bill Bradley put it. The bigger the lie...

“The bigger the lie, the better the chance they think they’ve got. That’s been their whole approach,” he said. “She’s going to lose a whole generation of people who got involved in politics believing it could be something different.”

Bradley believes that Clinton will stop at nothing to tear down Obama even if it boosts John McCain, who was confirmed last week as the Republican nominee: “The Clintons do not do long-term planning. They’re total tacticians and right now their focus is on Obama, not McCain.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3511833.ece

[moondust]

58. None of them can claim to be pre-qualified.

Eisenhower was the last President who was pre-qualified to be Commander in Chief. It's embarrassing to see her try to include herself and McCain in that select group of ONE (in modern politics). It reminds me of Bush trying in vain to include himself in that small group of "Great Wartime Presidents."

Being a lifelong war hawk/militarist in no way qualifies someone to command all the armed forces, and that type of individual should probably be the first to be eliminated. Living in the White House without a security clearance in no way qualifies one to be CinC. Obama at least has the advantage among the "not pre-unqualifieds" because he alone seems to know the difference between a just war and some idiot's private folly.

[pointsoflight]

59. What about the "threshold" quote? You conveniently left that one out.

[rocktivity]

61. Here is what McCain (AND Obama) can DO with what Hillary actually said.

I rest my case.

:headbang:
rocknation

[krkaufman]

63. Hillary's only been a Senator for 7 years, 2 months.

... having been elected in 2000, in parallel to Bush's appointment, and taking office in Jan. 2005. And Obama was elected in 2004, taking office in 2005, so has been a US Senator for just 4 fewer years than Clinton.

Going off when they took office...

Obama
1997-2005 (8 years) IL Senate
2005-present (3+ years) US Senate

Clinton
2001-present (7+ years) US Senate

Obama has 4 more years of elected experience.

Right?

Your point remains.

[Cha]

70. hilary, shillary, dillary,

doo. She lies,she fakes, she's a tool.. but not the sharpest one in the kit.

[txaslftist]

76. It's a baby boomer thing.

Hill's a boomer. From birth they were raised with the notion that the world was formed for them. Hill can't imagine a world in which some upstart can replace her. The fact is, Obama has been better organized, better funded, more inspiring, less compromised and has much less of a sense of entitlement about his campaign.

If Hillary wins the Democratic nomination, it will be through chicanery and back room dealing. If that happens, she will lose the general election and McCain will be president. She cannot win the White House from her present position, which is a position that she herself earned through her inept campaign.

The best (or worst) she can do is derail Barack Obama and get McCain elected. If that happens, she'll never be a serious contender for the White House ever again. And if this is how she plays, she doesn't deserve to.

[CatsDogsBabies]

79. It sounds like

she thinks they are going to be in the Whitehouse together.

[killbotfactory]

80. That's basically equivilent to Obama saying this:

"I have a lifetime of experience, McCain has a lifetime of experience. Clinton slept with a president."