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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:04 PM Original message |
Howard Dean painted himself in the corner with his arbitrary rule.... |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. I admire Howard Dean from 04 but like him quite a bit better now. |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. My candidate is Barack, but I'll side with Dean period. He is the reason for this primary season!!! |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Yep. He's a good man, and a tough, brainy Democrat. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
28. I was really bummed he wasn't our nominee in '04 |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Agree -- he has done so much demonstrable good. And people tend to |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. He won us the congress in 06 |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Again, agreed whole-heartedly -- true, he's a tough customer, but |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
43. so you support adopting a rule that would strip votes from fellow Democrats? |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Hi, doctor. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. so you think it is fair to have a rule that would disenfrancise voters? |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:38 PM Original message |
I'm really sorry doc but I'm not buying your hinge premise. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
2. Do you think the voters in MI who weren't able to vote for their choice |
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DesertFlower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. i agree. nt |
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Nitrogenica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
3. The rules shouldn't be changed to fit an agenda. |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
27. That's the part that bothers me |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
46. and we should not have rules that lead to voter disenfrnachisement |
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Slagathor (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #46 |
66. It's not a real election--it's only a primary |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. no - that is true . . . . . they are different |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
4. 1) We're turning on Dean now? |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. The OP enjoys that sort of thing. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. The Clinton DLC has always hated Dean |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
24. You can disagree with someone without "turning on" them. In the REAL world, anyway. |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
29. Silly, isn't it? |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #4 |
50. yes - |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
7. IT WASN'T HIS RULE |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
8. You and Hill are in it to spin it. Whan are you going to get real? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
10. I agree. It IS "schoolmarmy." He could help the situation by offering to help |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. He offered to help FL monetarily right up front to run another contest |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
36. Last I heard, he said "You gotta pay for it. You gotta fix it." And I have a cite. |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. And my statement said he offered this "up front" |
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fadedrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
12. Pay no attention, Dr. Dean |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
15. Maddy - Dean's silly rule |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
16. Howard Dean did not vote for the rule. It was a rules committee vote and Ickes was on the committee |
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JimGinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #16 |
33. HRC Fanatics Here Can't Be Swayed By Actual Facts |
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BumRushDaShow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
17. Read this.... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #17 |
51. That doesn't count! n/t |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
18. the states agreed to it - and now they must be held accountable for their own choices nt |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
19. I disagree. I don't think anyone in the party expected to be where we are now |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #19 |
40. Even as an Obama supporter if he got all the uncommitted delegates from MI |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #40 |
58. They are currently tied in MI revote polling (rassmussen) |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
20. You couldn't be any more incorrect. Here is why: |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
21. Arbitary or not, the FL/MI Dem leaders knew there would be consequences |
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butterfly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
22. Why not call Dean out when he is wrong... |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
23. Applying previously set DNC rule to everyone = Arbitrary. Hoo-kay. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
25. Howard Dean is in charge and is doing a great job as DNC chair. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
26. Gov Dean is trying to lend sanity to the primary season. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
30. They were chatting on NPR about what a weak chair he has become. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. *N*ational re*P*ublican *R*adio. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #35 |
53. get a grip!! |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #53 |
62. Yeah, that is reaching a bit. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
32. And the next time there's a problem, manufactured by (Florida) Repuglicans or not, |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Let's just have the damn 2012 primaries now while we're at it. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #37 |
54. Absolutely! There's a huge difference between how things "should" be and how they are. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
34. DNC voted on this--It is not Dean's rule |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. McCauliffe made it clear in no uncertain terms that he wouldn't tolerate moving up primaries |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. And the Queen of Lies' henchman Harold Ickes voted to punish FL and MI |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #38 |
52. McAwful set this process in motion, but |
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Window (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
39. Seating the Fl & MI delegates is neither the easiest, nor the fairest solution. |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
47. No ego. Just making sure everyone plays by the rules. He did not screw the |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
49. Agree - MI and FL votes will count in the GE |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. well said. |
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Life Long Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
57. ahhhh the states disenfranchised themselves. |
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Gore1FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
59. It was the Rules committee, not Dean |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
60. Give it up. Even with Florida and MI, Hillary still loses. nt |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
61. The rules were sent to every state committee |
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w13rd0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
63. I support Howard Dean... |
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Marnieworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
64. It doesn't bother you that Obama wasn't even on the ballot in MI? |
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Slagathor (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
65. No he didn't |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
67. Maddy lets play devil's advocate |
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Upfront (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
68. Wrong |
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