Hillary Is JUST LIKE the Repubicans? FACTS DON'T SUPPORT THIS!!!!!

[Danzo]

I've got no problem with you Hillary bashers whining about how Hillary chose to go on certain votes or even claiming that Obama is more liberal with Hillary (although I respectfully disagree with that). But the assinine claim that I've seen some of you make that Hillary is "(just like the Republicans)" is GROSSLY INACCURATE.

But it's always possible I'm wrong. If she's "(just like the Republicans)," as you foaming-at-the-mouth Hillary bashers CLAIM that she is, I guess you'll have no problem finding a registered Republican who has liberal interest group ratings that are similar to Hillary's:

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=55463&type=category&category=45&go.x=5&go.y=10

Let's see a similar set of liberal interest group ratings from a registered Republican, you anti-Hillary zealots.

[Divine Discontent]

1. finishing your rant with calling people zealots probably won't get any good response

just sayin'.

I have no problem with the disgust people have with her being called anti-feminine names, but what she's doing in the press for a hundred million voters to witness is nothing short of sounding just like a Republican operative.

[Danzo]

11. I Won't Get Any Good Response ANYWAY Because....

...it's probably pretty safe to say that few IF ANY Republicans have ever gotten a 90%+ rating from a liberal interest group ONCE, let alone the MULTITUDE of times that Hillary has.

[JackORoses]

2. She voted with the Repukes on Iraq

on Bankruptcy

on Cluster Bombs

on calling Iranians Terrorists

Do you want more?

[Danzo]

6. Did You Miss The Point?

If she had CONSISTENLY voted with the Republicans as some of the Obama zealots on this board have CLAIMED, there's NO WAY that she would have gotten the favorable ratings that she got from liberal interest groups.

[JackORoses]

21. so you have nothing to say in defense of her votes that I listed?

[sueragingroz]

13. Senator Obama Should Apologize to the U.S. Senate

Senator Obama Should Apologize to the U.S. Senate

by Patricia L Johnson
http://www.opednews.com

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_patricia_080307_senator_obama_should.htm

Senator Obama has repeatedly attempted to put Senator Clinton on the defensive by bringing up her vote on H.J. Res. 114, the Joint Resolution providing President Bush with authorization for the use of Military Force Against Iraq. In much the same manner as a Monday morning quarterback, Senator Obama has criticized the "yea" vote by Senator Clinton.

The problem with his criticism is there aren't too many people that don't feel we should not have attacked the Republic of Iraq. Unfortunately, these same individuals were not behind closed doors when confidential security data was being presented to Senators.

In retrospect, Senator Obama has even been published as stating had he been privy to the intelligence the Senators were provided, at the time, he may very well have voted 'yea' on the bill.

If you recall correctly, this vote was taken in October of 2002, barely a year after the 9/11 attack on U.S. soil. At the time, Senator Obama was NOT a member of the United States Senate. How he would've, could've or should've voted on this bill is virtually meaningless because 'outsiders' simply do not have access to confidential intelligence reports prepared for members of the United States Senate.

Was Senator Clinton the only U.S. Senator to favor this bill? Of course not, the vote on the bill was 77-23 which means a full 77 percent of U.S. Senators, after being exposed to the intelligence supplied by our agencies, felt the bill should be passed. In addition to Senator Clinton, the following U.S. Senators voted in favor of the bill and their names are listed at the end of this piece.

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Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bond (R-MO)
Breaux (D-LA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Campbell (R-CO)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carnahan (D-MO)
Carper (D-DE)
Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
Daschle (D-SD)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dodd (D-CT)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Edwards (D-NC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Frist (R-TN)
Gramm (R-TX)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Helms (R-NC)
Hollings (D-SC)
Hutchinson (R-AR)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Miller (D-GA)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Nickles (R-OK)
Reid (D-NV)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Santorum (R-PA)
Schumer (D-NY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-NH)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thompson (R-TN)
Thurmond (R-SC)
Torricelli (D-NJ)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)

enough with this nonsense already!

[Danzo]

18. I Thought I Already Addressed This Crap

Nevermind.

[sueragingroz]

19. I don't know what you are doing

I was responding to Reply #2....

[Danzo]

24. Sorry, I Screwed Up

I guess I got a little too fired up and had a brain fart.

[JackORoses]

22. The Individual votes are the important ones.

Anybody can build a good rating with lots of relatively unimportant bills.

But when she has had to make big decisions, she has fucked it off.

[JamesA1102]

15. Actually she didn't vote for the Bankruptcy bill

She missed the vote. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/08/clinton-and-the-bankruptcy-law/

It also should be noted that Senator Obama broke with other Dems in congress to vote with the GOP on limiting lawsuits against corporations. http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/key-votes/

I'm not trying to take sides here. I just want to point out that you need to look at a Senator's entire voting record and not just cherry pick a couple of votes.

[cui bono]

3. She just plays one on TV. n/t

[bowens43]

4. she is like a mirror image of bush

she uses the same tactics and has the same overbearing attitude. I don't want someone from my party who abuse the system in the same way that bush did. She is not what our country needs at this time. As a senator, she is fine but she is not fit to be CIC.

[sueragingroz]

16. if anyone is a mirror image of bush... it's obama

Obama is charismatic and has had a free pass with the media - just like Bush.

He is untested and unready - just like Bush was.

He is going to rely on his advisers - just like Bush.

He's a uniter and not a divider - just like Bush.

PULEEZE!

[kimmerspixelated]

29. Jeepers!

Nobody, NOBODY!.. is a mirror image of Bush- I'm afraid he is a private little train-wreck all his own.

"Drunken Frat Boy Drives Country into Ditch" ( on a bumpersticker)

[Hepburn]

36. So.............

.........Bush is charismatic???

ROFL.......:rofl:

[kimmerspixelated]

28. I don't think even Cheney

is the mirror image of Bush. Look- I am certainly NOT a Hillary fan, but she isn't just like the bushists! What she is ..is a very right leaning "Dem", with terribly intolerable corporate interests.She is a lifelong politician,and the feeling is that nothing will ever change with her in charge as far as anything that has to do with the status quo staying right where it is.

[BootinUp]

5. Welcome to DU

:hi:

We need you.

[Danzo]

8. Thank You, Buddy.

[AJH032]

7. You're right, they don't

but as I'm sure you've learned by now, that does not matter here.

[sueragingroz]

17. Amen to that... sadly enough...

[mculator]

9. Man it used to be all Obamazoids here.

Now they're like "where is this coming from?"

And their whining makes me smile.

[Kolesar]

10. You should respond in the thread where it was said instead of typing a blind attribution

I trust that you saw her described as: "(just like the Republicans)"

[Blarch]

12. It's not about her votes

it's about the way she runs a race.

She runs the same race the republicans would, she even aligned herself with them.

[kimmerspixelated]

30. Exactly,

And she is far too comfortable with corporate america, the ones that are really in charge!

[MadBadger]

14. One way she is very much like a republican is her use of the politics of fear

[Divine Discontent]

37. this seems sacriligeous and, even if you don't care about using Christ in this manner

how is it not incredibly over the top to Obama? You're pro-Clinton and anti-Obama, right? Just making sure... :sarcasm:

[cbayer]

20. You are so right, but you are not going to get a logical response.

The people that hate her mostly hate her personality. Their hate is not rationally based on facts (though they will make some up for you).

And since they also hate republicans, they just put her in that group. It's easier that way.

BTW, the same thing applies to Obama haters. They use the same flawed, unsubstantiated tripe.

[hedgehog]

23. You're so right, because Republicans respect Reagen's 11th commandment;

never speak ill of a fellow Republican! Senator Clinton has no difficulty speaking ill of fellow Democrats!

[Swamp Rat]

25. Straw Man

This argument is without merit, and does not usefully serve this website nor the Democratic party.

[Danzo]

33. Yeah, but I didn't hear you...

...standing up for the TRUTH about Hillary's aggregate voting record back when I was REPEATDELY seeing Obama zealot suggest that Hillary is NO DIFFERENT from the Republicans.

How exactly is my argument a straw man one if I've actually SEEN Hillary bashers on this board claim that she's no different than Republicans?

[Swamp Rat]

34. Red Herring

Got any more fallacies?

[BlueJac]

26. She is worse, she is a monster in Democratic clothing!!!

Pin head

[eridani]

27. No, she's using Repub framing. That is an entirely different issue n/t

[ORDagnabbit]

31. She voted for cluster bombs, she voted for landmines, she withhold tax information

she hasnt found a war yet she didnt like and she supports mccain over obama.....

sounds like a republican to me...

[DrFunkenstein]

32. Not "Just Like" - But Her Campaigning Is Just As Nasty

This is a cheap argument to suggest that just because she isn't EXACTLY like a Republican, that there are not several aspects which bear out a comparison.

[Unbowed]

35. She used to be a democrat but she's changed.

Hillary Clinton is another Joe Lieberman.

How the HELL is any democrat supposed to trust her after the shit she's been spouting for these past few weeks?

It's no longer just about issues, because a lot of us don't believe a word she says. It's about integrity. She talks the republican talk, why should we expect her to continue to walk the democratic walk? Quite simply, we can't.