If MI and FL have a revote what is the NEW target number?

[redstate_democrat]

Currently the Dem needs 2025 to get the nomination. If the MI and FL voters get a revote, then the target number goes back up? What would be the new target number?

I'm thinking that even if they have a revote, Hillary would still need to win both MI and FL by 70% margins because the target number would still be adjusted. Adding the MI and FL delegates without adjusting the target number would dilute the weight of current delegates and basically act as a net gain.

[leftofcool]

1. There will be no re vote

your golden child will get his way and win the nomination by disenfranchising two huge swing states. Both of which will now go to McCain in the GE

[wileedog]

3. McCain will go to FL anyway but

Will MIchigan voters really go for a guy who actually admitted he knows "nothing" about the economy?

[leftofcool]

9. Wrong

the Dems were leading in Florida against McCain.....now we are behind. Michigan will go to McCain now. I know many people in both states. They are pissed

[rainbow4321]

20. And HRC asking to seat the Fla is not disenfranchising??

The day that the Fla elections were held many Dems stayed away from the polls for the sole reason that they were told their votes would NOT be counted.
Then months later HRC wants to say "uh, never mind, I'm losing now so can you just go ahead and seat the Fla delegates?" Ignoring the fact that she will be disenfranchising the Dem voters who thought (silly them) that the rules were the rules and there would be no attempt to change them.
Yet out of the hours and hours of cable coverage I have watched over the past few weeks, only ONE short report has mentioned the disenfranchising of the Fla voters if HRC were to get her wish. They said outright the whole reason many stayed home was because they were told their votes wouldn't mean shit in the primary.

[StevieM]

23. sorry, double post (eom)

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[RUMMYisFROSTED]

25. lol

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

26. -

[StevieM]

24. Obama is a fraud who will do anything to win (eom)

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[RUMMYisFROSTED]

27. lol

[Birthmark]

2. There's no such thing as a "re-vote."

In Florida, it would be a NEW primary.

In Michigan, it would really be their first since MI Dems didn't have the candidates on the ballot when they voted.

But there will be no new primary in FL. MI may caucus, though.

[redstate_democrat]

5. Well

whatever you'd like to call it, what would be the NEW target number? Would it stay at 2025? Or move back up to the original target number?

[Birthmark]

11. It would depend on whether all of the delegates...

...are seated. I can't see why it wouldn't go back to the original number if all FL and MI delegates are restored. (Don't think that will happen, though.)

[redstate_democrat]

18. Okay that's what I was thinking

Do you happen to know what that number is? I might have to do the google but everyone here seems to know everything so I wanted to save myself some trouble.

[SoFlaJet]

4. there will be a vote down here

they are talking about a mail-in. Every DEMOCRAT will get a ballot mailed to them-that is going to hurt The Monster since her fan's favorite radio host rush won't be able to help her this time like he did in Texas.

[redstate_democrat]

6. For some reason I don't trust

this mail in system. There is a great possibility for fraud here. Stealing ballots, ballots getting "lost" in the mail from some neighborhoods, etc.

[SoFlaJet]

8. Who does RSD?

all we can do is do what we can and TRY and vote and hope that the scumbag republicans (include The Monster and her team in with them) don't screw with the process

[pbca]

10. No there won't - Link

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20080308/NEWS/803080384/1146

[leftofcool]

12. mail in has already been vetoed by your state leaders

[pbca]

7. There won't be a re-vote

MI and FL are over. FL is saying there isn't enough time, even if there was money and The DNC has cancelled their reservation spots at the convention.

[leftofcool]

13. congratualtions

ya might want to get used to saying President McCain

[redstate_democrat]

14. Which is it?

Some people are saying they get a do over and others like you say it's all over. The DNC has canceled their reservation spots? Didn't Dean just say they could submit a plan, etc? This is getting confusing. I don't even understand what would be the purpose since Hillary would need to win both states by huge margins anyway because of the readjustment of the target number and his huge delegate lead.

[pbca]

15. links

No revote in Florida

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20080308/NEWS/803080384/1146

Democratic party officials cancel Michigan's convention rooms

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/03/democraticnatlc.html

[redstate_democrat]

16. So the state leaders are not refusing to cooperate with

certain kinds of revotes. This leads me to believe they will try to get the delegations seating as is through the credentials committee or on the floor at the convention. This is madness. They will actually try to get illegitimate delegates seated.

[pbca]

19. They don't even have

room for them at the convention anymore - their rooms are gone. FL and MI won't have delegations there.

[ProSense]

17. The MI, FL argument is a joke, that based on the current data, Hillary would be ahead. BS

Fun with math:

Actual Popular Vote Total
Obama 13,007,968 (+ 592,682)
Hillary 12,415,286


FL
Obama 576,214
Hillary 870,986

Popular Vote (w/FL)
Obama 13,584,182 (+297,910)
Obama 13,286,272


MI
Clinton 328,151
Uncommitted 237,762

Let's say Obama got half (118,881) the uncommitted MI votes

Popular Vote (w/FL and MI)
Obama 13,703,063 (+31,482)
Clinton 13,614,581


Of course, Hillary cheating campaign wants to count MI with no votes going to Obama.

Obama would likely have gotten more than half the uncommitted votes, and possibly even more votes had the FL primary counted.

[redstate_democrat]

22. This is why I don't understand

why some of Hillary's supporters are willing to just disregard the DNC rules when it is CLEAR it wouldn't make a difference in the grand scheme of things regarding the actual nomination. It just makes them look like sore losers and desperate. If they are concerned about their voters being disenfranchised, I can understand that, but I find it difficult to believe that is really the concern.

[tandem5]

29. what rules are being ignored exactly?

with FL and MI its going to be a brokered convention, without FL and MI its going to be a brokered convention - neither will get enough pledged delegates to win the nomination out right. Now the super delegates have full discretion to vote however they wish - those are the rules and if it turns out that after all the states have voted one has the popular vote and the other the pledged delegate lead I would want the super delegates to vote for the one who got the popular vote. The overall popular vote is a reflection of the whole country where every person's vote has equal weight. The delegate total actually values voters from each state differently. If the super delegates are not bound by any particular metric (such as pledged delegates), which they're not, why shouldn't they go by the one that is most fair to all voters?

[phrigndumass]

21. 4,415 total, so 2,208 to get the nomination

4,048 delegates now
185 delegates added from Florida
128 delegates added from Michigan
54 superdelegates added from Florida and Michigan

4,415 total, majority would be 2,208.

With new elections in both Florida and Michigan, Hillary Clinton would need to win at least 58.6% of the remaining pledged delegates to catch up to Barack Obama.

She's won 58% in only three states so far: Arkansas, New York and Rhode Island.

For more info:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4984865

:dunce:

[redstate_democrat]

28. Thanks a lot!

:hi: