OMG. John McCain use's Hillary's Talking Point about Obama on Opener of 60 Minutes.

[berni_mccoy]

She endorsed McCain and he's already using it.

Says America would rather have McCain answering the phone at 3 am for all his Experience over Obama.

[babylonsister]

1. We knew that would happen, but it still sickens me. nt

[berni_mccoy]

2. She should have her SD status revoked.

[DJ13]

12. Revoking SD status doesnt go far enough

Howard Dean and the DNC should publicly rebuke her, and the remaining super delegates should move enmass to Obama to force her out of the race.

[niceypoo]

172. Another intentional Straw-Man position from an Obama supporter

Why do his supporters feel they have to make up issues?

When, if ever, will Obamas supporters begin defending Obama on his policy positions?

[EOTE]

173. How is this a straw man position?

Are you going to defend what Hillary said? If so, I'd like to hear that. If not, then you don't have any justification for lambasting the Obama supporters. Even as a Hillary supporter, are you not seriously pissed off that she'd say something like that?

[againes654]

181. Obama seems to be very understanding

about the common man. The person that is struggling to make ends meet. He seems to get this, and wants to help these people as much as possible.

What policy position are you questioning?

[niceypoo]

195. I am not questioning any policy positions

I am asking Obama supporters when they will begin 'supporting' Obama by actually defending his policy positions, any positions, instead of just attacking people or taking things hugely out of context then freaking out over them.

I have been asking this for months now and I have recieved no answers from Obama supporters. I believe that their need to attack, rather than discuss, stems from Obamas failure to articulate his positions or define himself as being anything other than, 'not Hillary.'

Eventually he will have to start framing himself as more than just 'the anti-Hillary.'

Pretty much everything he has said for a long time has been a reaction to whatever Hillary does or says on any given day. Thus far he has avoided discussing issues as much as possible, preferring to let the media do his dirty work for him. I believe his failure to define himself on issues will eventually be used against him if he gets the nomination as he will be forced to play catch up.

When Obama supporters cannot name a anything he has done, or a single position he takes, it is because he has failed to define himself as a candidate. Slogans are easily shredded as being empty and undeliverable. He needs to hammer away at concrete positions, but it is just easier to let the media do his hammering for him, in a negative way, while he pretends to be 'above the fray.'

[Heywood J]

203. Give her the Joe Lieberman treatment.

Take the two of them to the woodshed over this. Endorsing a Republican, under any circumstances, means she should be denied the opportunity to appear on the ballot as a Democrat. If she still wants to run after this, it should be as an independent. One more thing she and Joe should have in common.

That's like stabbing your family and then expecting them to welcome you back with open arms. If you want to run on a party's ballot, you should at very least confine your disagreement to not endorsing Republicans.

[screembloodymurder]

4. She ain't one of us.

She's gone over to the other side.

[bagrman]

180. The Clintons could always be considered part of the machine. Mccain and Them trying to continue

status quo, of those in power.

[mod mom]

7. and don't you think it was planned that way? they both fear him.

Et tu Brutus--I mean Hillary.

Rachel Maddow, Randi Rhodes, Keith Olberman and others are correct.

[fujiyama]

103. Obama is atleast the second one to feel the knife in his back

Kerry got it too after his botched joke. She opportunistically attacked him immediately. And gee, who was she joined by in condemnation? None other than her drinking buddy Johnny boy.

[cui bono]

3. Surprise, surprise. Fucking Hillary. And SNL.

Idiots.

[Joe the Revelator]

5. To anyone that said that McClinton didn't endorse McCain..

[loveangelc]

6. mccain is so sexy!

omg. what a hot 71 year old.

[KoKo]

95. Obama and Hillary are MUCHO SEXIER...Watch THIS and SEE!

http://current.com/items/88854218_the_democratic_messiah

[angie_love]

132. euw I hope you're kidding.

[Joe the Revelator]

8. Seriously, how can anyone take up for her on this subject now?

She's a cancer to the party.

[snappyturtle]

17. Yes she is a cancer....about Stage V,,,,,imho. n/t

[malletgirl02]

116. I'm sorry to say

I'm sorry to say there are people still taking up for her on this, I'm not surprised since this is GD:P. I voted for Clinton and after all this I'm starting to regret my vote.

[ForeignSpectator]

194. That notion is in my head for quite some time now....

...that the clintons and DLC are a cancer to the Democratic party. Obama must win just to set the beginning of the end of both ( hopefully ).

[Evergreen Emerald]

9. right, like he did not already think of that

And oh, while you are ringing your hands over false offense, remember that Obama is suggesting lots of negative things about Clinton that the right wing can use.

What a load of crap.

[Hepburn]

20. Take a clue, OK???

It is ONE thing if McCain thought of this and used it on his own and pointed out that he has more experience than Hillary and/or Obama....but it is another fucking thing that the Monster gave him a DEMOCRAT to refer to in order to do this.

What she did is reprehensible....her ego got in the way of the good of the party and the best interst of our country.

[Tarc]

159. What she did was tell the truth about your empty suit

Stop crying like a pissy little child already. Sweet fucking christ.

[AlertLurker]

160. Do you honestly believe...

...that the McCain campaign could not have come up with the "experience factor" issue on their own?

Call in the fucking wahhhmulance.

If he can't take this kind of attack, he's toast already - 'cause there will be much more to come if he gains the nom...

[ExPatLeftist]

178. You seem to have missed the point entirely.

The issue isn't whether he could have "come up" with this argument on his own - the point is that now he can point to CLINTON as having stated it. Think this isn't paydirt? Turn it around - look at the list of Republicans that have dissed McCain (as found in this week's Idiots, for example) - tell me that you can't wait to use that against McCain and that that is not a HEAVY blow to his campaign. Makes my mouth water.

Clinton has just served up the same to McCain by naming him along with her party compatriot - and plugging for the opposition. Goes way too far.

Please do not try to oversimplify that this is about "figuring out" an attack. No one is buying that BS. And I have seen no one say that he "cannot handle" the attack. This is not even about him - it is about Clinton taking it upon herself to unfavorably compare our likely nominee to the GOP, fer chrissakes. I am sure Obama can handle it. But I will not - that to me is betrayal of our party, and the last thing we need.

This is Clinton giving a defacto endorsement to McCain over Obama. And it will be used constantly until November. It goes too far. It is completely possible to contrast oneself with the primary opposition without endorsing the opposing party at the same time.

[rAVES]

188. the whole point has gone over your head, I'm afraid.

[Lerkfish]

53. you.have.no.defense.

period.

there is no acceptable defense of her actions.

none.


nada.


do not insult our intelligence by attacking Obama as coverup for her sins.

to do so is an insult, an offense, and an outrageous sin.

go.away.

[Evergreen Emerald]

63. Because praising a republican over a democrat is wrong unless you are Obama

But, she did not PRAISE a republican like Obama did. She said the TRUTH. Both she and McCain have experience. Obama does not.

Conversely, Obama gave Reagan praise so he could gain the endorsement of a conservative newspaper.

Of course when she says she will support the democratic nominee--you ignore those words, cause then you could not ring your hands and moan in fake indignation.

Double standard on DU is unbearable.

[Mooney]

68. She doesn't have experience.

She has four years on Obama in the senate. That's it. Nothing else that she did before is relevant experience towards the presidency.

[IndianaGreen]

69. Obama did not praise Reagan's policies, on the contrary

He did point out the transformational nature of Reagan's election, and undisputed historical fact.

[Mooney]

72. Shhhhhhh!!!!

Don't wake her up.

[Evergreen Emerald]

81. Right mooney. contribute to the discourse with more insults.

You have reduced DU to such ugliness. Nearly every thread is just insult upon insult.

[Mooney]

85. Right, I've done that single-handedly.

This place was fine until I came along.

[JVS]

150. !

:thumbsup:

[donheld]

143. Don't blame anyone but you and your likes for the ugliness.

[Evergreen Emerald]

79. No. You need to re-read what he said. It was an attempt to

back hand a Clinton insult while praising a republican to gain favor with a conservative newspaper. Typical of Obama who will use his "words" to talk out of both sides of his mouth. But, I digress.


Again, you have double standards for Clinton and Obama. When Obama says it--it is fact. When Clinton says it--it is a vile, hateful, betrayal of all that is good.

YOu guys crack me up.

[Window]

88. LOL!

[Basement Beat]

Reagan is not the Republican Party Nominee....

There is a pretty big difference in 'praising' a former dead Republican president versus praising your current Republican opponent over someone in your own party.

[renate]

179. I agree--a HUGE difference

Especially since there are Reagan-loving and Bush-hating fence-sitters out there who might be swayed to come to the Democratic party if they hear that a Democrat is willing to praise a Republican icon, so there's even an upside to what he said. (I disagree with Obama about praising Reagan for anything, but at least he didn't criticize a fellow Democrat in the process.)

Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[Basement Beat]

193. Thanks for the welcome!

Much appreciated!

[Gore1FL]

127. Do you have the exact quote?

Because all I remember him saying is that Reagan was an agent of change when the country was ready for one. He never praised the changes.

An mostly, he didn't compare any GOP candidate favorably to his fellow Democratic contenders.

Not only is the comparison invalid,so is the basis for it.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

134. You do understand that Reagan isn't actually running for President this year?

Just making sure...

[eilen]

149. She was effectively a RNC shill when she repeated her assertion about

McCain. Reagan is dead, not a frontrunner in the current election.

Obama has more legislative experience than Hillary Clinton. He works with people better, he manages his campaigns better, he is organized.

[Lerkfish]

201. my indignation is not fake, it's quite real.

and you purposely mischaracterize the intent of her crime: she lauds the republican and denigrates the democrat.

[Politicalboi]

205. Married to experience

Doesn't count. What has Hillary done since your so up on her experience. Oh that's right she voted for the war I forgot. She was tricked by Bush. What bullshit. She is going to crash and burn over her actions. Voting for her is like voting for McCain same shit.

[blm]

54. Name one statement Obama made that the RW picked up and used against Hillary.

.

[Evergreen Emerald]

64. Are you kidding me with that crap?

Obama has been attacking Clinton for months.

[GarbagemanLB]

65. I'll take that as a 'no'.

[Evergreen Emerald]

66. Take that as an

unbelievable that you have your head in the sand.

[Mooney]

70. I notice you didn't actually give an example.

Might that be because you don't have one?

[seabeyond]

74. i dont know obama that well. i havent seen it. waiting for an answer myself? n/t

[seabeyond]

73. you accuse but you are not backing it. instead just throwing out insult. doesnt work n/t

[Evergreen Emerald]

76. This thread is insulting...

to suggest that McCain would not have thought to suggest that Obama has little experience until Clinton mentioned it is--stunning. It is stunning that it is even a post, and even more stunning that anyone would respond as if it were a legitimate suggestion. And then, to top it off, use it to vilify Clinton.

DU has jumped the shark.

Criticism that REpublicans use against Clinton: the lie about not releasing the records of the library. The distortion about tax returns as if she has something to hide knowing that her finances are OPEN because she is a senator. But, of course you all knew that already.

[seabeyond]

80. you made the accusation obama has done the same. but wont tell us

and yes, it makes a difference with a dem saying it and a repug saying it. we are not the ONLY one that recognizes clintons error. most all tv dems do. foxs news does. and certainly mccains people and mccain do. the ONLY ones that wont own it is..... hilary supporters.

[tabasco]

86. You are clueless.

The Clintons have their White House records and tax returns but won't show them to Democratic voters.

Those are not lies, that is the truth. All Hillary has to do is release those records and everything will be fine - - unless of course there is some embarrassing information in there, which there is or the Clintons would not be stonewalling.

WTF are you talking about her "records are open" as a Senator? Where are her tax returns for last year?

If DU has jumped the shark, take your ignorance elsewhere.

An honest disagreement of opinion is one thing but you pollute this board with your strident, partisan ignorance.

[Exilednight]

117. He used Hillary's quote. That's bad enough. Wait until he throws out her lifetime of exper line.

[Blondiegrrl]

126. You're missing the point.

The point isn't whether Hillary gave McCain that idea. The point is that Hillary is TEAMING UP WITH MCCAIN in an effort to take down Obama. McCain can use Hillary's words against Obama in the GE.

[Gore1FL]

128. McCain can say anyhtignhe wants

Hillary setting the agenda for it is an entirely different thing.

Do you have that example yet?

[LibertyorDeath]

141. Here watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZsYWiywdCA&feature=related

[Irishonly]

175. I didn't watch 60 minutes

so did McCain quote her? California will go blue during the general so we don't see a lot of political ads. Is that a real McCain ad that's airing or someone putting it together? I admit watching it made me sick to my stomach.

[LibertyorDeath]

206. someone put it together but it wouldn't take much

for McCain's people to tweak it.

It makes me sick to my stomach also...

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/11/12/obama_wideweb__470x418,0.jpg

[berni_mccoy]

77. You are all talk, no cattle. Name one thing Obama said that a Republican has picked up. You can't.

[Evergreen Emerald]

84. I just named three, and frankly, that is not the issue. you attempt to use a straw man argument

EVERYONE KNOWS MCCAIN HAS MORE EXPERIENCE THAN OBAMA. CLINTON DID NOT DIVULGE ANY SECRETS.

Seriously!

[berni_mccoy]

96. You haven't done anything. And McCain has more experience alright. At Being a FAILURE.

[KAZ]

110. You haven't named shit. Name one fucking thing where Obama

puts McCain ahead of Clinton.

[Gore1FL]

129. She set the agenda for it as an important issue

Which, by the way, she would lose as well.

[Political Heretic]

151. Wow how embarassing. You go on and on and on but can't name a single example.

... :(

[donheld]

144. Come on name one or

are you all talk and no show?

[blm]

155. Name one thing Obama said against Hillary that RW picked up and used against her.

,

[EOTE]

174. Are you serious?! False offense!?

What would be a real offense to you? Hillary ripping heads off of school children and feasting on their blood? Do you not see the difference between McCain saying something and him using the words of one of his democratic opposition to smear the other? You can't be that short sighted.

[earthlover]

177. McCain saying something would not be as effective as quoting a Democrat saying it....

Hillary really blew it big time if she wants us to win in november.

Maybe she doesn't. Maybe she just wants to wait until 2012 when she can be annointed the front runner again by a willing corporate media.

[SOS]

187. McCain "already thought of" using a recycled 1984 Mondale ad

as a talking point for his campaign?
Seems unlikely.

[TahitiNut]

190. As an independent liberal, I'm really puzzled.

I can't figure out if blind, partisan, cultist zeal is the CAUSE or the EFFECT of the a complete breakdown in one's valid reasoning processes. I'm guessing it's the latter but I'll await your examination by a team of trained professionals. When is that to be scheduled?

:eyes:

[Snarkoleptic]

10. And for that she sucks!

[SKKY]

11. Hillary really should have consulted Kerry before she made that comment...

...this thing is going to last longer than turkey meat.

[XemaSab]

23. Nothing worse than finding some dessicated Clinton in the back of the fridge in March

:scared:

[Hepburn]

13. Congratulations, Monster!

You self-centered war-monger....thanks, monster, for giving ammunition to McCain. Fuck you, Hillary!

:grr:

[NDambi]

19. Lol Hepburn..why don't you...

tell us how you really feel!!!!

[Hepburn]

31. If I told you how I really felt about Hillary and her supporters....

...I would get tombstoned and IMO Hillary and her ilk are NOT worth it.

JMHO

[NDambi]

37. Yeah I feel ya...I'm in the same boat...but I appreciated what honesty you could give..

[Hepburn]

44. I knew McCain would use Hillary's words....

...and I knew I would be angry when it happened. I just did not know I would be THIS angry. Seeing it done was even worse than I thought it would be.

[NDambi]

47. Hep, steel yourself and gear up for more because if she doesn't bow out..it's her only strategy and

she will use it over and over to undercut him. She doesn't care how it comes off...only that she gets it off.

[Hepburn]

82. Unfortunately....

...IMO, you are totally correct. She will do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to get the nom whether she has earned it or not. What an evil woman!

[GoldieAZ49]

98. wait until you see the clip of Hillary say it in the McCain commercials n/t

[writes3000]

14. Can you imagine McCain saying : "I have a lifetime of experience. Obama has his lifetime..."

"of experience. All Huckabee has is a prayer he gave in 1992."

Nope, McCain wouldn't sabotage his own party that way.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

21. Yes, I can.

[noel711]

15. McCain's ringtone on his phone.....

"Bomb bomb Iran..."

That's the kind of experience and judgment we need answering the hot phone..

[polichick]

16. imo Clinton cares more about her ambitions than either the party or the country. nt

[thoughtcrime1984]

112. That's it in a nutshell. nt

[Nitrogenica]

18. Bitch is the new BLECH!

[yourguide]

22. Way to go HRC

if you cant have it then no dem can huh?

[Cali_Democrat]

24. Birds of a feather

[Heywood J]

204. Christ.

It's like they're going to disappear in the back for a quick shag once the Viagra kicks in.

[Ichingcarpenter]

25. The Ronald Reagan 11th Commandment

"Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican."

During Ronald Reagan's 1966 campaign for governor of California, Republicans established the so-called Eleventh Commandment: "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican."

It was proposed by State Republican Chairman Gaylord Parkinson to help prevent a repeat of the liberal Republican assault on Barry Goldwater that laid the foundation for Goldwater's trouncing in the 1964 presidential election. Just as Nelson Rockefeller and his East Coast cronies had branded Goldwater as an "extremist" who was unfit to hold office, so candidate George Christopher and California's liberal Republicans were leveling similar personal attacks on Reagan. Party liberals eventually followed Parkinson's advice, and the rest is history.

http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0402/0402eleventhcommandment.htm

[1776Forever]

26. And the Clinton supporters wonder why we Obama supporters cringe at her words!

Disgusting!

She should join McCain as his VP! They have a definite love fest going on!

:hurts:

[Barack_America]

27. Actually, I'm glad.

It just highlights to Democratic voters what an asinine comment it was. I hope McCain uses it heavily here in PA.

Good work, Johnny!

[stop the bleeding]

43. me too,

the toothpaste has been pushed out of the tube and there is no going back. Let's see how much this talking point helps/hurts certain people.

[TexasLady]

57. it'll hurt Obama for a little bit

but it will hurt Hillary a LOT. I see what you guys are saying.

[doublethink]

28. Well guess it's time to make Hillary irrelevant in the Democratic Party.

Too bad it had to come to this. But she has to be marginalized at this point. Super Delegates need to get behind Obama, true progressives need to take a stand and say 'she doesn't speak for us' ..... it's the only way forward for our chances in 08. Sooner the better before she causes more damage.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

29. OMG.

OMG. :hide:

[anonymous171]

30. Disgusting

:puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke:

[Ichingcarpenter]

35. Botox is a poison that has gone to her brain

and created a Zillery McClinton :puke: :puke: :puke:

[Liberal Veteran]

39. That's Zellery McLieberclinton.

[Divernan]

136. Oh, but she looked so young & wrinkle free - like an Anime drawing!

Have y'all seen that poster made up of something like 48 head shots of Hillary? Each one is a different version of her exaggerated facial expressions - bulging eyes, grotesquely distorted mouth - usually obscenely open; eyebrows lifted to the heavens, joker-type fake smile, terrifying grimace, -
hostile cartoonists couldn't have distorted her expressions more than she has.

Really incredible how she can't speak in a dignified and statesmanlike manner, let alone like a normal person, but continually stretches and distorts her face. In fact she stretches and distorts her face almost as much as she stretches and distorts facts and truth.

If you have a problem with irregularity, put this poster up on your bathroom wall - it would be cheaper than Exlax.

[NM Independent]

148. I take exception to that

Please stop with the Botox jokes...

Botox was developed, not as a cosmetic enhancement, but as a treatment for...

Dystonia - one of the most painful conditions you can imagine. Involving terrible muscle spasms, which Botox is used to ease.

It's also something I suffer from, and the endless Botox jokes get old fast. It's the only thing that might help me lead a functional life.

Sorry to be a Debby Downer, but...


Oh, and yeah it's time for "the woman that just isn't good enough" as my wife calls her...to go home before she ruins it for all of us.

[Divernan]

163. No offense meant to anyone who uses it for medical reasons.

I don't think anyone could possibly diss a medical treatment - and particularly one which relieves pain. I'm sure, as with all drugs, that you are advised of potential side effects - and you balance that against the great benefit you receive. Plastic surgery was originally developed to heal problems of people born with disfiguring birth defects, or to save lives of burn victims, or to help soldiers disfigured by wounds. I would never ridicule or make light of such uses.

But when any procedure or drug is being abused, i.e., in the case of botox or plastic surgery, to reverse the normal and natural signs of aging - and particularly by someone who attacks her opponent for his youth/lack of experience, I think its legitimate to point out that hypocrisy. I even see a parallel between a society encouraged to deny the reality of aging, with encouraging voters to
ignore the realities of the terrible impact on our economy of the Iraq war/military/industrial/
endless war politicians.

[ekwhite]

167. Come on...

Most Botox users use Botox for cosmetic purposes. There are legitimate medical uses for the drug, such as for Dystonia, but the vast majority of Botox is used to erase wrinkles.

[BuyingThyme]

32. She makes all of us so proud.

[writes3000]

33. I wonder if Clinton called him and asked him to give her a plug. n/t

[RamboLiberal]

34. What the hell did she expect?!

Especially after bringing up she and McCain had more experience and all Obama had was a speech. If she gets the nomination the McCain and the Repukes will bludgeon her daily with the American's want McCain answering the phone at 3am.

It's true. Hillary wants to beat Obama more than she wants the Democratic party to beat McCain!

[bigtree]

36. yeah, we should have just hushed it up

. . . and hoped no one would notice that he lacks in experience in foreign and military affairs.

[berni_mccoy]

40. Yeah, you're right. It's far better to be betrayed by a fellow Democrat.

GFY.

[bigtree]

90. sure no one could see this for themselves. Better to hush it up.

[John Q. Citizen]

61. I think you are entirely missing the point here. The problem isn't that Hill said

"Obama lacks foreign policy experience."

The problem is that she pulled John McCain into her attempt to raise doubts about Obama and to try to augment her own experience.

When a candidate from one party starts touting the positives of the nominee of another party to try to attack the candidate who is the front runner in her own party, that's unacceptable.

Think about it this way; If Obama were to say that Hillary was unfit for the presidency because she's a shill for the lobbyists, and then went on to say that McCain is far and away more clean and ethical than Hillary, would that upset you AS A DEMOCRAT?

It would me. It would be wrong, it would be unacceptable.

Saying 'Yeah, we should have just hushed it up and hoped no one would notice that Hillary is an unethical crook bought paid for by the corporations' wouldn't absolve Obama if he had been so stupid and treacherous to make such a comparison about Hillary and Mccain, even though it's true.

Do you get it yet, bigtree? Or do you still cling to the notion that endorsing the opposition is fine, dandy, and smart?

[seabeyond]

78. ya... cause fox getting a dem saying to another dem.... excuse it, look the other way

clinton fucked up. and not a single of her supporters have the courage or integrity to say. .... she did. gonna vote for her regardless, but she should not have done it

so what a republican get up there and say it.... huge difference from our own saying it. it is a real duh. there are more than one real duh pertaining to hillary and her supporters and they dont have what it takes to face them

another example of poor leadership, especially with a duh

[immoderate]

131. No less experience than Hillary. But you're joking, right?

--IMM

[Liberal Veteran]

38. Reason #399480 why Hillary is not qualified to be president.

[Cha]

41. And hilary's sittin' back with a shit eating grin on

ugly mug.. I mean when she isn't whining.

[Az_lefty]

42. Hillary's showing that she is a total amateur...what a dumb mistake

[Bigleaf]

109. She's no amateur, that's for sure. And it was done on purpose. Fucking wench. Fuck her!

[Fovea]

45. It was only a matter of time

and the quickness of its uptake was to get the association hammered in.
It puts Barak supposedly in the quadrant where they think themselves strongest.

We know this is the new swiftboat meme. We know how Kerry mishandled it. Let's see how Barak does.

A cool candidate would throw out a one liner and downplay. A hot underdog candidate like Hillary would counter attack mildly in person, and savagely through proxies. But one assumes that were it Hillary in this situaton, Barak would not have set it up.

The difference between this and the Kerry debacle is not subtle. Kerry's attacks came from the Republican smear machine. Barak's was a cynical and politically savage attack from a fellow Democrat. I doubt that this situation can be minimized, coming as it does, from all quarters. All he needs is one omnibus indictment of the status quo in Iraq to reflect this frame back on its originators poorly.

If the backlash does not decimate the already bleak outlook for Hillary, then something rather crooked looking is going on. Even in a brutal campaign, such as is being run, there is a limit, and her de facto endorsement of McCain is well to the other side of the pale.

Until this I was not vehement in my opposition to HRC.
But she needs to bow out and start fence mending ASAP.
The third way has shot itself in the foot with a poison dart.

[PleadTheFirst]

46. Shocked, I tell you ... SHOCKED!

Who would have ever thought that McCain would use the ammo handed to him by Hillary?!?

:sarcasm: :puke:

[goclark]

51. They probably made a deal

that they would both destriu Obama and then they would each win.

Whoever gets to the WH owes the other stuff like ---- supporting their candidate for the Supreme Court.

:et's Make A Deal Hillary McPain!

[Upton]

48. She gets the nomination, McCain will use it against her

wouldn't that be ironic? Can't say she wouldn't deserve it.

[Cali_Democrat]

49. Hillary just found her inner voice

[IndianaGreen]

67. LMAO

That is so true!

:rofl:

[Oilwellian]

101. Brilliant!

:rofl:

[here_is_to_hope]

50. Begone Hillary, please, be gone! n/t

[Liberal Veteran]

52. Note to HRC: "Smooth move Ex-Lax."

For all her "experience", how could she NOT have seen this coming when she said it?

[marshall]

55. Hillary probably consulted with McCain before she made the comment

Nothing she does or will do can surprise me.

[grantcart]

56. Fox's beltway boys just labelled HRC's comments the best commercial

for the general election period

[0007]

58. This is the bending end. I can't stand it!!

[Genevieve]

59. It's horrible.

I can't understand how any Democrat can justify her remark.

[DrFunkenstein]

60. Your Children Will Die in Their Sleep if You Vote Obama

Do you really want a drug-dealing radical Muslim answering that phone? Wouldn't you want someone who has the experience of being a President's (and Governor's, don't forget) wife instead? She's already answered many phones in the White House, so why not the red one? She would never use the military for the sake of making her seem tougher in political theater. It's just not worth the lives of hundreds of thousands to promote a political career.

[Strelnikov_]

62. Thanks, Cliberman n/t

[Blarch]

71. wtf ?

what is wrong with that lady ?

[eleny]

75. Hillary's mission has been accomplished

:(

[Ichingcarpenter]

83. Zellery McLieberclinton has accomplished

her own destruction

[Skidmore]

87. Could see it coming from a mile away.

Hillary has made herself unsuitable to be a VP on the ticket. The only thing she can hope for is to throw it to McCain, and that should disqualify her from even being a Democrat as far as I'm concerned.

[L0oniX]

89. It's so nice of McClinton to help McPain and help bring the party's together. n/t

:evilfrown:

[JMDEM]

91. K&R. Already voted for greatest status... nt.

[amborin]

92. well...many Obama supporters have used right wing talking points to smear Hillary, so....

[lakercub]

183. And not once

did Obama say McCain had advantages over Hillary or was in any way better than Hillary. Oh wait, that wasn't your point.

Campaigning against each other is one thing. But throwing a dig at her adversary within the party while complimenting our overall opponent is too disgusting to ignore.

[rucky]

93. Why wait until Christmas to open that present? n/t

[bajamary]

94. Hillary wasn't the first to say BO lacked experience

Reality Check

Hillary was not the first person to say Obama lacks experience.

Here are just 2 examples of dozens and dozens of reports that preceded Hillary's ad.

Posted on the Draft Obama website on 2007-01-03

Those who deride Sen. Barack Obama’s (D-Ill.) lack of experience and criticize the broad generalities and banalities that festoon his best-selling book miss the key point: His inexperience is an asset because he enters national politics as a blank canvas on which he can paint whatever he chooses. With only two years in the Senate, he is less like a politician running for president than like a general — think Eisenhower in 1952 or even the abortive candidacy of Colin Powell in 1995 — or a businessman, like Ross Perot in 1992.

It’s not that he doesn’t have a record. It’s that the record doesn’t really matter because it is so short. His Senate tenure is so abbreviated that he can be whatever he says he is, not just as a political contrivance to get elected, but genuinely to articulate a philosophy and make it his guiding principle both while seeking office and serving in it. He’s that virginal.

CBS Poll: Lack Of Experience Hurts Obama from Aug. 15, 2007

CBS) Sen. Barack Obama's perceived lack of experience may be a huge obstacle to his chances of winning the Democratic presidential nomination, according to a CBS News poll released Wednesday.

While Obama is seen as the candidate offering fresh new ideas, Sen. Hillary Clinton is seen as the one with the right experience to be president. Clinton continues to hold a commanding lead over Obama, 45 percent to 25 percent, among those planning to vote in a Democratic primary. Former Sen. John Edwards is third with 14 percent

[seabeyond]

97. no.... they just have her 3 a.m. andher face to promote it all thru election. n/t

[SlowDownFast]

104. You're still missing the point.

She elevated McCain above Obama - a fellow Democrat - to make her ill-conceived and irresponsible jab.

[Oilwellian]

105. LOL...well that was before the Iowa caucus

Americans are finally realizing all of that Washington experience is part of the problem. :D

[candice]

108. This is all SO surprising. McCain didn't have to learn it from the Dems.

Must be rather obvious.

[K Gardner]

99. Effe her. And effe anyone who makes excuses for her or condones her actions.

[SlowDownFast]

100. It was just a matter of time. n/t

[Zachstar]

102. Clinton gives republicans talking points. I hope voters are watching this.

She is destroying the party and I hope voters and Mississippi make this known on the 11th!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

106. For Reals!!!!! McCain Would've NEVER Brought Up Experience If Not For Hillary!!!! I'm SERIES!!!111

Fools.

[Quixote1818]

113. Of course he will, but now the comment has much more weight because he is quoting one of our

own major political figures. It allows him to attack without seeming negative because he is using our words against us. It's the most effective line of attack in politics and it came from our own side. And I know you see that but you don't want to be truthful with yourself or you might have to see who your candidate truly is. That comment will be used against Obama as effectively as Kerry's blunder about voting for it before voting against it. Republicans will use it until they are blue in the face. To not see that, one must have horrible political instincts.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

118. Please Have More Faith In Obama Than That. It's Such An Easy Thing To Overcome It Ain't Even Funny.

This is seriously much ado about nothing. It's something that is being blown way out of proportion on the internets and is now infecting the brains of others who normally would've viewed it a bit more rationally, but instead are jumping on the outrage gravy train.

There are SOOOOOOOOOOOO many ways for Obama to turn that attack around on him that it ain't even funny. When it comes GE time, I give you my word that the Obama camp would turn that on its head and use it to make McCain look like a fool, instead of it actually harming Obama in some way. Watch, you'll see. This is an easy one. A reallllllllllll easy one. I call it a 2 on a scale of 10 as far as attacks are concerned. I would hope you have enough faith in him to believe he can overcome such a weak scale attack. I have no doubt he can, and there will be FARRRRRRRRRR more severe attacks on him than that in the GE, which will make such a concept totally forgotten and no longer used. It is nothing. It's fun for him to say for now, but in the heat of the GE it will prove worthless. So many are in such a tizzy over this, but if they just stepped back for a moment, took a deep breath, and thought clearly for a moment, they'd be able to see as I do how insignificant of a comment that was, and how easy a meme it is to overcome.

[Quixote1818]

125. I hope you are right but I have little doubt it will do some damage

In a close election it could just mean the difference. In the history of this country I have never seen anything like this from our side. Someone wants to win just a little too much for everyones own good.

[tabasco]

114. Of course he would have. But when he has an influential Dem backing him up on the issue

it really helps.

If you're too stupid to understand that, that's your problem.

[thoughtcrime1984]

115. She gave McCain one hell of a piece of ammo

"Even Dems think Obama has no experience!" Her experience isn't what it's cracked up to be, and I hope that starts getting talked about. Obama will not sell her out vs. McCain in that fashion, I am confident of that. He has some integrity, where she has NONE.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

120. No She Didn't. In Fact, She Gave Obama Ammo.

Come the GE, if McCain tries to use that, Obama could turn it around on him so quick it ain't even funny, so that it will be McCain looking like the utter fool not Obama. This isn't ammo whatsoever. It's a meme Obama would've had to overcome from the start anyway. Throwing in the 'prominent democrat' tangent only gives it more to work with as it relates to Obama's ability to actually USE IT right back against his opponent.

This will be a huge loser for McCain. I hope he uses it, cause I have a good 30 things right off the top of my head I could throw back at him if he did, that would make him look like a total moron. If I can think of them off the top of my head, so too could Team Obama.

Seriously, have no fear. This is a non issue.

[EOTE]

176. And how does Obama turn this around?

How does Obama use this tactic to make McCain look like the foolish one? I've seen you suggest this a few times, but not offer anything substantial as to how he goes about doing that. Since you seem to have the answers, how does he do that?

[Catherine Vincent]

121. Well Duh! LOL!

:rofl:

[candice]

107. Obama did live abroad as a child for a few years. He did visit London...

couldn't McCain remember that!

[tamzins]

111. WRITE HOWARD DEAN AT THE DNC AND REPORT HILLARY

[meow mix]

135. done. reported.

:toast:

[Catherine Vincent]

119. If anyone believe McCain wouldn't use Obama and Hillary's

attacks against each other are fucking idiots.

[AZBlue]

122. The DNC should call her at 3 am to tell her she's no longer welcome as a candidate.

[bagrman]

182. Great idea, Fax to her office It's 3AM, your still in the campaign ? E- Nuf [phone]

[against all enemies]

123. Hillary is willing to destroy the party, she sucks.

[Blondiegrrl]

124. That woman is a despicable, pathetic excuse for a human being.

She has absolutely no honor or integrity. I hope she loses everything: the primaries, even her Senate seat. Democrats should kick her out of the party.

[damndude]

130. i think it speaks volumes that

considering no one ever let her forget that she was one of the most dislike public figures to a majority of the country when she announced last year that she would go down this road and risk turning off a vast majority of her own party. we already know the republican feel about her the way we feel about bush so she could only count on the Democrats, non party liberals and independents for support, why trash all that just to now be labeled a traitor to the common cause of winning the white no matter who the candidate is. i think the question should now be why does she want it so badly that she will screw over voter, colleagues and candidates to cause the unified and prepared republican machine and a di oriented, disenchanted confused democratic organization and electorate.



and yes.........that does make her a monster

[meow mix]

133. gee didnt see this one coming. thanks hillary

:mad:

[JNelson6563]

137. Who could've seen that coming??

*sigh* :banghead:

[Beacool]

138. Well, if Obama didn't want his lack of experience to be brought up,

then maybe he should have stayed in the senate a little longer until he actually had built a resume and had some gravitas. A US senator who thinks that he's fit to be president after a mere three years in office???

We are choosing a president and these are very trying times for the nation. It's not the best moment to pick the guy with the least national experience of the 15 people of either party who were in the running. Hope, change and other platitudes can only carry you so far.

[berni_mccoy]

140. Obama has MORE Experience than Clinton. And His Experience is a track record of Success

Unlike Clinton and McCain.

[Beacool]

145. Please, stop drinking the Kool-Aid!!!

More experience than Hillary and McCain in what, maybe in giving empty speeches?????

:rofl:

[berni_mccoy]

153. Clinton has 7 years in an elected position. Obama has 12. I never said McCain

And Obama has a track record of success. You can't say the same about Clinton.

[Tarc]

161. Comparing a state congress record to a national one

is like comparing the farm system to Major League Baseball.

[berni_mccoy]

164. Yes. Politics is sports and the 700,000 people he represented as a State Rep are just fans.

Why are you people so idiotic?

[Tarc]

165. Compare that to how many a NY senator represents

Obama is rookie league, in many many, many more ways than one my dear O-Bot.

[berni_mccoy]

166. You are a moron too.

If he is such a rookie, why is he wiping the floor with Hillary's campaign? Why is she such a failure?

Clinton's 8 years of 'experience' do not matter if she has been a failure.

[Tarc]

191. "why is he wiping the floor with Hillary's campaign"

Meddling republicans in open primaries, undemocratic caucuses, bullying other black superdelegates with "Uncle Tom" slurs. (http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics/story/510737.html)

Clinton has an uphill fight against one of the most dishonest campaigners this side of Richard Nixon.

[berni_mccoy]

196. News To Clinton Supporters: Political Parties Are Not Democracies. The U.S. is not a Democracy.

Political parties are not democracies and they are not run like democracies.

The U.S. is also not a Democracy. It is a Constitutional Republic.

[Yael]

139. Hillary Rove McNixon hits another one out of the park

Yay us.

[Political Heretic]

152. Ok, I had to snicker at that.

But we can cram a few more in there....

Hillary Rovezoales McNixush :P

[workinclasszero]

142. Well that didn't take long did it?

Defend Hillary now bots!

She sold out the democratic party BIGTIME!

Her plan is plain to see. If she can't get the dem nomination this year, she will do all she can to make sure McCain gets it.

Then she'll be back in 2012. i have never in my life seen a pol sell out her own party for personal gain.

How can the dem party leaders sit back and watch as Hillary destroys the party??

Hillary is a damn rethug in truth and spirit and she make me vomit!

The thought of this power mad ego maniac in the oval office gives me a chill down the back.

This woman stops at nothing, nothing is to dirty or crooked for Hillary Rodham Clinton!:puke:

[JVS]

146. Way to go Hillary!

:puke:

[Daphne08]

147. I heard that and had to turn if off!

:mad:

[Maribelle]

154. So? You folks that consistently throw out neocon talking points against Hillary with added vile

merely show off forked-tongues when you cry over others doing the reverse.

Perhaps a little self-examination would be good, before you are accused of selling your soul as the neocons have been accused.

[Not the Only One]

156. McCain has probably donated to Hillary's campaign

She's a goldmine for him.

[Vinca]

157. Thank you, Hillary, for round 3 of the Bush administration.

What a piece of work. How can anyone support her?

[Medusa]

158. Yet the Hillbots insist she wasn't endorsing him

and it wouldn't be damaging to Obama. THIS is what some of us were smart enough to get from the moment she said it and we're right. And that's not the only thing we're right on either. If you want to be wrong, just keep on enabling the Clintons.

[madrchsod]

162. what experience does hillary have?

if she does where are the whitehouse records? she talks a lot about her experience but never says what it is...she`s disgusting

[mcollier]

168. Raise your hand if you want more of the same???

Betrayal is the hardest to forgive, even more so when there is no acknoledgement of the wrong done.
Sadly to say, that while Hillary has tried to win, she really has lost in many ways....

Hillary did show her disgusting hypocritical characteristics indistinguishable from the worst of the Republican smear machine. And siding with John Mccain over Barack Obama, We've seen this type of "I wanna challenge you to a duel" line that was snapped at Chris Matthews by a "Democrat".... Now that Hillary has been embraced by the far right, how can we expect her to fight for democrats when she is fighting against democrats along side the republicans.

Hillary's worst political blunders to date in the last week that is... There is more "vetting" to be done...

All Hillary supporters, I appreciate your attention to this matter... I ask you to join the Obama team to help take our country in an new direction, one of openness, honesty, integrity, hope, respect, wise judgment and prosperity... Together we can make the difference. We all have worked hard to get power back to the people. With Barack Obama, we have that opportunity...

[mcollier]

169. Raise your hand if you want more of the same???

Betrayal is the hardest to forgive, even more so when there is no acknoledgement of the wrong done.
Sadly to say, that while Hillary has tried to win, she really has lost in many ways....

Hillary did show her disgusting hypocritical characteristics indistinguishable from the worst of the Republican smear machine. And siding with John Mccain over Barack Obama, We've seen this type of "I wanna challenge you to a duel" line that was snapped at Chris Matthews by a "Democrat".... Now that Hillary has been embraced by the far right, how can we expect her to fight for democrats when she is fighting against democrats along side the republicans.

Hillary's worst political blunders to date in the last week that is... There is more "vetting" to be done...

All Hillary supporters, I appreciate your attention to this matter... I ask you to join the Obama team to help take our country in an new direction, one of openness, honesty, integrity, hope, respect, wise judgment and prosperity... Together we can make the difference. We all have worked hard to get power back to the people. With Barack Obama, we have that opportunity...

[NoFederales]

170. Blatant tag teaming; I turned the goddamned program off. nt

NoFederales

[happygoluckytoyou]

171. MCCAIN WOULD BE BEST AT 3A.M..... HE'S UP PEEING ANYWAYS, AND HAS ONE HAND FREE

[Froward69]

184. The short answer is

Hillary wants her OWN set of rules. thus if that tack does not work, then mcain is the better choice than the Obama.

Rethugs are playing possum. laying in wait. using hillarys talking points to attack with rather than their own. once Obama takes the nomination then and only then will we see their actual attack, talking points.

Hillary is giving the rethugs ammunition... shamelessly.

[Ganja Ninja]

185. What do Hillary and Joe Lieberman have in common?

Both have endorsed John McCain over Barack Obama.

[HughMoran]

186. Well, at least Obama will be more than prepared for what we all knew was McCains ONLY argument

Anybody who thinks that McCain wasn't going to be using this as his one and only argument for why he should be President is AN IGNORANT FUCKING MORON WHO SHOULD NOT POST HERE ON ANYWHERE ABOUT POLITICS.

This will be good for Obama and will prepare him for the GE.

[Zambero]

189. Proposal for Obama's 3 AM commercial rebuttal

Has anyone heard this one? The phone rings at 3 AM, a Hillaryesque voice answers, and after hearing what the call entails, the phone is handed off with Hillary saying in a yawning type voice "It's for you, Bill".

[Buzz Clik]

192. Yep. She should be SO proud.

[TBF]

197. Of course he's using it...

how naive anyone would be for thinking he wouldn't. He will use whatever she gives him against Obama until the convention. If she somehow comes out as the nominee then he'll reach back further and hammer her with everything from the 90's. It will all come out again. Everything we've tried to forget and then some.

I have a theory that today's college students were at a formative age when Bill Clinton was impeached and they remember. So do some of us old geezers, and so does the oldest geezer - McCain himself. This is one of the reasons why she should never have been considered as a viable candidate.

[K-Check]

198. McCain was going to attack Obama this way anyhow...

...better that Obama has more time to defend himself. I'd rather have him start to defend himself in March than at the convention when he's winning the nomination.

[LiberalLovinLug]

199. You just knew this would happen

They look so cute together too :pals:

"John, it looks like I'm toast so I'll help you get the next four years, if you'll step aside for me in 2012"

[90-percent]

200. Abrilliant Analogy

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5004573

This OP hits it out of the park.

Enjoy.

-90% Jimmy

[frog92969]

202. She needs to STOP and go away.

It's time to support President Obama.