Can Obama be a UNITY candidate?

[Ian_walker]

Obama will not win the nomination if he is not able to take the whole party him.

He has to start talking UNITY because the clock is ticking.

So far only one candidate has said the Dream Ticket is on the cards. Clinton has been saying it all week and recognizes that the voters want it.

UNITY is about both candidates and their supporters, uniting behind both candidates and the Democratic Party to pursue a strategic victory of 16 years in power; in the Presidency, Senate and Congress.

Below I have rewritten the quick draw competition version of the Chris Weigant speech (follow this link for the original version of the speech)
As you can see it was originally written for Obama
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/how-obama-could-wrap-it-u_b_85595.html

THE TACTICAL WINNING SPEECH
I call it the quick draw competition because the Candidate who first makes this speech wins the the unity and undecided voters of the Democratic party and with this middle ground the Democratic nomination for President. They also win the Super Delegates because they are the long term members of the Democratic Party and will vote for the Unity Candidate.

Speech 1
"I would like to address the people in the Democratic Party for a moment.

Our party is now pretty equally divided between myself and Senator (Obama/Clinton). The race is about tied. We are obviously the two strongest candidates this party has to offer to win the White House in 2008. We both have our relative strengths, and much of the electorate is genuinely conflicted over who to select in the voting booth. Some say this is fracturing our party, but I don't believe that is true. The Republican Party is divided because of antipathy among their different factions -- but I'm proud to say that our party is conflicted over who is the best between two very good choices.

So I would like to take this opportunity to offer Senator (Obama/Clinton). the Vice Presidential spot on the Democratic ticket, should I be nominated for President. Should they be nominated, and should they offer the same to me, I am publicly saying I would accept that as well. I think both of us should get behind the idea of a 'dream ticket' right here on this stage. I challenge my opponent to do the same."
Cue Instant pandemonium! Among loud cheers and a few groans from supporters of the candidate that did not make the speech.


THE STRATEGIC WINNING SPEECH
This version of the speech leaves the contest open but runs it without internecine war and unites the whole Democratic Party. I wonder if Pelossi, Howard Dean, Chris Redfern, George Stephanopoulos and the growing number of other Democrats are mediating how the deal can be done? A joint non aggression pact of not putting out tactical version of the Chris Weigant speech instead to put out this strategic version of the speech.

Speech 2
"We would like instead to address the people in the Democratic Party for a moment.

Our party is now pretty equally divided between ourselves. The race is about tied. We are obviously the two strongest candidates this party has to offer to win the White House in 2008. We both have our relative strengths, and much of the electorate is genuinely conflicted over who to select in the voting booth. Some say this is fracturing our party, but we don't believe that is true. The Republican Party is divided because of antipathy among their different factions -- but we are proud to say that our party is conflicted over who is the best between two very good choices.

So we would like to take this opportunity to offer each other the Vice Presidential spot on the Democratic ticket, should we be nominated by the party for President. Should the other be nominated, we are publicly saying we would accept that as well. We think both of us should get behind the idea of a 'dream ticket' right here on this stage. We challenge our party to do the same."
Cue very long standing ovation

The choice is there for the candidates to take.

That it will be a Democrat who is next President of the USA there is no doubt.

But it has become a quick draw competition, to see which one says the magic two words first:

DREAM TICKET

And Clinton is going for the gun...

battle For the Middle ground
Because the polarize-able supporters are decided and wedded to their camp. We can see it here and else where. Obama-ite or Clinton-ite. Those will stay with their candidate. The people the contest is now being fought over are the vast majority of unity Democrats. They sway one then they sway the other. What sways them most is punishing those who attack Democrats. Voters showed in New Hampshire and Michigan what can happen to a candidate or camp who is not out to unite. Democratic Party voters also punished Obama in Texas and Ohio for assuming he was more important than the party. Democratic Party voters want UNITY.

Howard Dean has said he does not want to be at the Democratic convention mediating the candidate. The Super Delegates will ignore all the fake democrats the GOP sent to game the Democratic Party nomination in Red States and they will vote their conscience and vote for the Democratic Party Unity Candidate whom so ever that may be.

The first Candidate to say they will take Democratic party down the unity road to the DREAM TICKET will win all those voters in the middle and the Super Delegates too because what the Democratic Party wants is UNITY.

Because; what true Democratic Party supporter, would be satisfied with just Four or Eight years of Democrat Rule?

Dead heat
So far the Democratic Party nomination is a Statistical Dead Heat.

The Facts
In terms of Delegates
Without Florida and Michigan Either candidate need 2,024 out of 4,047
Neither candidate is any where near that.
Obama has 1,387 or 52%
Clinton has 1,229½ or 47%
Edwards (suspended not withdrawn) has 26 or 1%

Do the math
1,387 + 1,229 = 2,616 total Delegate Votes decided (we will ignore the half vote for now)
4,047 - 2,616 = 1,431 Delegate Votes still to be declared.
Now some of that is promised votes from super Delegates but there are still some 600 outstanding Delegate votes and about 300 Super Delegate votes to be decided.

Without Florida and Michigan Either candidate need 2,024 out of 4,047
If Florida's and Michigan's delegates are counted, the requirement is 2,207½ votes out of 4,414 (now we had better see where that half vote went)

Oh and Clinton is ahead in the popular vote by about 32,000 ballots.

1,431 Delegate Votes still to be declared Now you can try to Fox news that in Floria that any way you want.

Me I will let the Democratic Party decide.

I will be happy with either of them as President but what I want is both as President. I want 16 years.

It is a Dead Heat
So much so that Howard Dean has said on ABC television "If we have to sit the two candidates down together or their campaigns down together and try to figure out how to make peace and have a convention that's going to work, then that's fine,"

Howard Dean is the Democratic Party strategist. I will take his opinion on Strategy as being considerably more important than yours.

And DREAM TICKET is a real strategy and not some candidates or their supporters ego.

But
I want UNITY.
I want the NeoConMen to have a living Nightmare
I want 16 years
I want a Democratic party landslide
I want Strategic Momentum
I want a Democratic Party House of Representatives landslide
I want a Democratic Party Senate landslide
I want the NeoConMen buried
I want UNITY
I want the DREAM TICKET

Now that is a strategy.

[Kittycat]

1. No such thing as Unity with HRC. Her lack of transparency & kitchen sink approach is counter to BO

[thoughtcrime1984]

4. Yes, the lack of transparency is very troubling

It would hurt Obama's credibility with those who truly wish to see Washington change it's ways.

[hueyshort]

31. "Mr. Unity" has had operatives Smearing Clinton in the blogs

since summer, and not ONE SINGLE news source will mention it.
MyDD and Daily Kos have become little more than a relentless
barrage Hillary Hating.

[thoughtcrime1984]

38. I don't believe you, people truly don't like her

believe it or not. She has made the bed that she will get to sleep in, messy as it is. She has been openly nasty with her campaign for some time now. If she left politics altogether, that'd be great with me!

[Ian_walker]

61. UNITY is what wins. No candidate can win without it.

Either or Both candidates can make UNITY speech.

Any candidate who is against Democratic Party UNITY will loose the nomination.

[Binka]

60. Oh Poor You

Mr Unity as you call him has unified us not because we hate Hillary, but because we LOVE HIM. GOT IT?

[Ian_walker]

62. UNITY is about the whole Democratic Party

Without carrying the whole Democratic Party no candidate will get the nomination.

The Democratic Party will punnish any candidate who is not for Democratic Party UNITY

[CatsDogsBabies]

69. Coming here

I have thought the same thing about CLinton. I wonder about some of the posts when they seems to be stating something that just isn't true. For example, someone posted yesterday that Clinton had more electoral votes. This seems really odd since we haven't had a general election yet. Isn't the GE still over 9 months away? There is no rational basis for saying that Clinton won the electoral vote when there hasn't even been an election. I really wonder about these kinds of posts and the motivation for those posting them. A lot can happen in 9 months (Wasn't McCain's candidacy considered over 9 months ago?) I used to be very neutral about the candidates and would have voted for either in the GE. I am a middle-aged white woman, and I am pretty comfortable with putting the past in the past. The 1990s are over. I hope Obama wins the primaries. I will be more than happy to vote for him in the GE.

PS, I wonder if Bill Clinton is worried what this is all going to do to his legacy. I would be if I were him no matter how things turn out for HRC (lose, win/lose or win/win). I will probably get bashed for this, but I wish whoever the first woman president is that she would run on her own record and I think this is almost impossible for HRC no matter how much she might try. I am not bashing Clinton, I think it is just a fact that she might have too much of the wrong kind of experience. I have talked in person to other white middle aged women feminists who feel this way too.

[Ian_walker]

7. UNITY is a strategy. All else is mere tactics.

Unity is what wins BIG for the Democratic party

[Kittycat]

12. But unity with her Turns out the ClintonHaters to the polls.

And hurts down ticket dems, in purple/red districts. We JUST won IL-14 back, and I'd hate to see it lost again because of her being on the ticket.

[Ian_walker]

17. The NeoConMen hated JFK too

The NeoConMen hate Obama
The NeoConMen hate Clinton
The NeoConMen hate Kerry
The NeoConMen hate Bill Clinton
The NeoConMen hate Gore
The NeoConMen hate JFK
The NeoConMen hate Carter
The NeoConMen even hate their very own McCain
The NeoConMen hate every single Democratic Party candidate they always have and always will.

HATE is all they do.

They account for less than 30% of voters and declining. They have some loud mouthpieces like Fox and Talk Radio and the rest of the NeoConMen's media.

Their time is ended.

All they have is Hate.

UNITY trumps hate every time

UNITY is the Strategy

That is what the United States of America is based on.

And America is sick to the stomach of the NeoConMen's hate. They are sick of the NeoConMen damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of the NeoConMen raping our planet. The sick of the NeoConMen's Tax Debt. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit. And they are hungry for change.

UNITY is what will win.
UNITY is what the NeoConMen fear
UNITY is the Gift that keeps giving...NeoConMen Nightmares
UNITY is 16 years of power
UNITY is a landslide
UNITY is a Democratic Party House of Representatives
UNITY is a Democratic Party Senate
UNITY is the NeoConMen buried
UNITY is the strategy that will beat hate!

[niceypoo]

45. No such thing as Unity with Obama, just an empty slogan...

...and a lot of venom spewed on his behalf by the Democratic media and his supporters who grasp at Ken Starr style non-issues instead of touting Obama's 'strengths'

I have yet to see an Obama supporter whose 'support' didn't consist of hating the Clinton family...

Perhaps this is a side effect of a campaign based on a five year old speech and some undeliverabe promises of 'Hope" and 'Unity'

[Ian_walker]

52. UNITY solves the impasse. Unity heals all wounds.

UNITY is a great good. Like HOPE it is one of the great truths of the world.

[niceypoo]

64. Too bad it is just an empty illusion

It is being expressed by Obama supporters in the form of negativity and hatred, all in Obamas name

[VotesForWomen]

76. "no such thing as unity" - O supporter. but it's all hill's fault. yeah. nt

[thoughtcrime1984]

2. Didn't you post the same exact thing already??

MAYBE she can be his VP, IF she ceases and desists NOW. And I still have reservations about it.

[Ian_walker]

5. Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech

UNITY means just that and no candidate gets off with half measures

[City Lights]

9. I thought the same thing...must be Groundhog Day in GDP.

:silly:

[Ian_walker]

19. Good truths should always be repeated to drown out bad lies

UNITY is far too important to let it be buried by lies

[DJ13]

3. Hillary only wants a "dream ticket" if she's on top.

Wheres the "unity" in that?

[Ian_walker]

14. Who so ever make the UNITY speech will win the Super Delegates

The first person to make the speech will win the Nomination and the Super Delegates.

If you look the speech was originally made for Obama

but...
Either or BOTH candidates can make the speech

I would prefer they both make the Strategic speech

Can you imagine what that speech would do?

[seriousstan]

6. Being somewhat new here, let me give you a clue....

spell check, use it. I do.

[Ian_walker]

23. Hmm which word?

Recognises and Recognizes are both correct spellings.

It depends on the dictionary you are using at the time.

Check here

[Double T]

8. obama is a divider; THAT he does VERY well.

[Ian_walker]

24. Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech

It is simple really Obama needs to start talking UNITY or he will loose.

[babylonsister]

10. Yes, but not with Clinton.

I and many other people want a fresh start, a new attempt at changing the dialogue in this country. The timing couldn't be better, and it's so necessary. Clinton is the past, Obama is the future.

Those Dems who voted and support Clinton, if they are real Dems, will vote for Obama.

Obama attracts so many new people! That is a fact that's indisputable, and he will continue to impress me.

As for the popular vote, gotta link?

[Ian_walker]

25. UNITY is about loyalty

All real Democratic Party supporters will get behind whom so ever the Democratic Party chooses. Whether it be Clinton or Obama at the top of the ticket.

I just want UNITY.
I want them BOTH.
I want 16 years same as any real Democratic Party supporters.

[babylonsister]

49. I'd be more inclined to believe that if

Clinton was acting loyal. She hasn't with that assinine sound bite equating her experience to McCain's. How is that loyalty, and why should I want her?

[Ian_walker]

59. UNITY removes division. Unity solves impasse. Unity heals all wounds!

It is a fundamental rule of the Democratic Party

[Johnny__Motown]

11. He is far more of a uniter than Hillary... here is the proof

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZsYWiywdCA&feature=related

[Ian_walker]

29. Obama has not yet made UNITY speech

Obama has not even mentioned Democratic Party UNITY.

He has not let the two words Dream Ticket pass his lips.

The clock is ticking.

Every minute Obama fails to address Democratic Party UNITY, Obama is loosing votes.

If voters continue to see Obama as a disuniting influence he will loose the nomination.

Either or Both candidates can make the UNITY speech

[leftofcool]

13. He's a divider

He will lose many Dems in the GE, mostly women, the largest voting block in the country

[stillcool]

15. how can that be so?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

States that Obama has won...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/...
Alabama
Alaska
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
District of Columbia
Georgia
Hawaii
Idaho
Illinois
Iowa
Kansas
Louisiana
Maine
Maryland
Minnesota
Nevada
North Dakota
South Carolina
Utah
Vermont
Virginia
Virgin Islands
Washington
Wisconsin
Wyoming
+Democrats abroad

states that were tied
New Hampshire
Missouri
Texas
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html

Delegate Count (2,025 Needed to Win)
Obama-1588
Clinton-1465

[Ian_walker]

57. UNITY is what wins. No candidate can win without it.

The DREAM TICKET is BOTH candidates.
The DREAM TICKET is a landslide.
The DREAM TICKET is UNITY.

UNITY is a strategy.
UNITY is 16 years.
UNITY will bury the NeoConMen.

Now that is worth fighting for

[stillcool]

63. The number of Democrats that...

have been thrown under the bus, for merely expressing their support for another "Democratic Candidate" leads me to believe that unity is a last minute 'strategy'. The Clinton Campaign has ripped their own image and reputation to shreds. The damage done by the double-edged sword they have wielded will not be repaired by uttering the word 'unity'. Not while the blood is still dripping and the wounds are still fresh.

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."

"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States.

Obama is a Christian.

The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.

Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs

Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html

Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.

Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."
Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.

Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.
Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html

January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET

The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
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Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[Johnny__Motown]

16. Hillary is the one dividing us,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZsYWiywdCA&feature=related

[Ian_walker]

58. UNITY removes division. Unity solves impasse. Unity heals all wounds!

UNITY is an unbeatable strategy.

[VotesForWomen]

77. Hill offers unity, O refuses, but hillary's the divider. put down the kool aide already. nt

[Ian_walker]

42. UNITY is about loyalty

All REAL Democratic Party supporters will get behind which ever candidate the Democratic Party Nominates

[Ian_walker]

66. Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech and be the UNITY candidate.

They just have to sh*t and get off the potty.

UNITY removes division.
UNITY solves any impasse.
UNITY heals all wounds and hurts of the primary

All REAL Democratic Party Supporters will get behind the Democratic Party Nomination no matter who it is.

Because
UNITY is a landslide
UNITY is 16 years.
UNITY is a strategic momentum.

UNITY is Democratic Party House of Representatives
UNITY is Democratic Party Senate
UNITY will bury the NeoConMen.

Now that is a Strategy

[OhioBlue]

18. this is a strategy being floated about by the Clintons

it is nothing more.

It is a strategy to try and win voters to Hillary. The Unity ticket is like plan D or something. It isn't going to work.

She needs him on the ticket to gain votes.

He doesn't need her. It would cost him votes.

[Ian_walker]

20. 69% of Democratic voters now support the DREAM TICKET News Week Poll

It is strategy straight from the heart of the Democratic party

[OhioBlue]

21. Democrats aren't the only ones voting in November n/t

[Ian_walker]

26. DREAM TICKET would be a landslide!

It would bury the NeoConMen in their already declining base.

That is if they would even bother to turn out for the half-fat-liberal McCain.

[OhioBlue]

27. Obama may be a landslide

with several choices as VP

[Ian_walker]

35. UNITY is what wins. UNITY is a landslide. UNITY is 16 years!

You are talking VP tactics.

I am talking STRATEGY
I am talking the DREAM TICKET
I am talking UNITY

The DREAM TICKET is UNITY
UNITY is a strategy.
And strategy beats tactics hand down every time.

UNITY is the NeoConMen having a living Nightmare
UNITY is 16 years
UNITY is a Democratic party landslide
UNITY is Strategic Momentum
UNITY is a Democratic Party House of Representatives landslide
UNITY is a Democratic Party Senate landslide
UNITY is the NeoConMen buried

Now that is a strategy.

[stillcool]

22. With all the Democrats that...

have been thrown under the bus because they dared to speak in support of another "Democrat", it seems the only Democrats that make up the 'base' of the party, are nearing a George Bush base percentage. Who would have thought a few short months ago the Clinton's would have trashed their own image, and reputation to such a degree? No one, and no scandal could possibly have caused as much damage as their own self-inflicted wounds. I don't know what will happen to the Democratic Party when the Clinton's are done with it. Perhaps they will get their way and solidify the "Third Way" and kill off any chance of any kind of liberal leaning 'opposition' party. Maybe we're already there, and this slow-motion train wreck is the last gasp of a dying Democracy.

[UALRBSofL]

28. Obama is NOT a unity candidate

He has already split the party with his accusations of the Clinton's being racists every other day and as such as caused the Clinton supporters to distance themselves from Obama. I would call him a candidate of "racial divide".

[PseudoIntellect]

30. Obama calls the Clintons racist every other day?

That's news to me.

[Bake]

33. Of course not. He has his minions do it.

You see it here every day.

Bake

[Ian_walker]

51. UNITY the only solution

UNITY will bury the NeoConMen

[CyberPieHole]

36. I concur. n/t

[Ian_walker]

50. UNITY is what wins. UNITY is a landslide. UNITY is 16 years!

UNITY is a strategy and it is far more important than ego.

[Ian_walker]

48. Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech and be the UNITY candidate

Just read the first post in the thread.

[Johnny__Motown]

53. Hillary is the one dividing us,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZsYWiywdCA&feature=related


there is your proof

[Ian_walker]

55. UNITY removes division. Unity solves impasse. Unity heals all wounds!

UNITY is a fundamental truth of the Democratic Party.
UNITY is a fundamental rule of the Democratic Party.
UNITY is a fundamental reality of the Democratic Party.

Get used to it; it is a fact like gravity.

[AtomicKitten]

32. Hate to break it to you but the losing candidate does not dictate terms.

You and she can stomp your feet all you like, but Obama will NOT have Ms. Flick on his ticket. She is the antithesis of change and Obama is not going to be having any of that.

Hillary has already lost. You need to quit promoting stapling her lame ass to the ticket and get over it. It's not gonna happen.

[Ian_walker]

44. I leave calling a contest before its done to Fox news in Florida

When people keep saying the same old lies
Rinse and Repeat as necessary

Sorry to burst you bubble but First post this thread...

So far the Democratic Party nomination is a Statistical Dead Heat.

The Facts
In terms of Delegates
Without Florida and Michigan Either candidate need 2,024 out of 4,047
Neither candidate is any where near that.
Obama has 1,387 or 52%
Clinton has 1,229½ or 47%
Edwards (suspended not withdrawn) has 26 or 1%

Do the math
1,387 + 1,229 = 2,616 total Delegate Votes decided (we will ignore the half vote for now)
4,047 - 2,616 = 1,431 Delegate Votes still to be declared.
Now some of that is promised votes from super Delegates but there are still some 600 outstanding Delegate votes and about 300 Super Delegate votes to be decided.

Without Florida and Michigan Either candidate need 2,024 out of 4,047
If Florida's and Michigan's delegates are counted, the requirement is 2,207½ votes out of 4,414 (now we had better see where that half vote went)

Oh and Clinton is ahead in the popular vote by about 32,000 ballots.

1,431 Delegate Votes still to be declared Now you can try to Fox news that in Floria that any way you want.

Me I will let the Democratic Party decide.

I will be happy with either of them as President but what I want is both as President. I want 16 years.

It is a Dead Heat
So much so that Howard Dean has said on ABC television "If we have to sit the two candidates down together or their campaigns down together and try to figure out how to make peace and have a convention that's going to work, then that's fine,"

Howard Dean is the Democratic Party strategist. I will take his opinion on Strategy as being considerably more important than yours.

And DREAM TICKET is a real strategy and not some candidates or their supporters ego.

But
I want UNITY.
I want the NeoConMen to have a living Nightmare
I want 16 years
I want a Democratic party landslide
I want Strategic Momentum
I want a Democratic Party House of Representatives landslide
I want a Democratic Party Senate landslide
I want the NeoConMen buried
I want UNITY
I want the DREAM TICKET

Now that is a strategy.

[cooolandrew]

34. I would unite but I do put honesty as requisite for both candidates. Integrity is good for the soul

[Ian_walker]

40. Who so ever makes the UNITY speech will win the Super Delegates

If one makes the Tactical UNITY Speech they will win.

I too would prefer both make the Strategic UNITY Speech.

[CyberPieHole]

37. In one word: NO. n/t

[Ian_walker]

39. Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech

If they make Tactical UNITY Speech (first post this thread) they will win the Democratic party Nomination.

No IF BUTS or MAYBES. They will win.

I would prefer both made the Strategic UNITY speech.

I want both candidates.

I want 16 years
I want the landslide
I want NeoConMen BURIED!

[Tennessee Gal]

41. No.

[Ian_walker]

43. Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech and be the UNITY candidate

They just need to Sh*t and get off the potty

[moobu2]

46. No it's way late for that

[Ian_walker]

47. Now is the time for UNITY

There is no other option

[BenDavid]

54. we had this won till obama decided he had to "unite us" and look

at where we are as a party. Not looking to good to the outside observer, but then again boxing is done in rounds.....and the two questions I need answered are these: Who was it that got us to stop fighting the Bush bastards so we could fight each other? Who gained power by splitting the party and getting Democrats to fight Democrats?

If you answered Obama, then you are soooooooooooo right.

[Ian_walker]

56. UNITY is what wins. UNITY is a landslide. UNITY is 16 years!

UNITY is the winning strategy, anything else is minor level tactics.

[yourguide]

65. Mark Penn, is that you?

You need to give your operatives better talking points because we're not interested in these.

[Ian_walker]

67. UNITY is what gives NeoConMen Nightmares...

Because UNITY is a strategy.

The DREAM TICKET is BOTH candidates.
The DREAM TICKET is a landslide.
The DREAM TICKET is UNITY.

UNITY is a strategic momentum.
UNITY is 16 years.
UNITY will bury the NeoConMen.

Now that is worth fighting for

[yourguide]

75. Nobody cares...dont you get it? She's pissed off too many Obama supporters.

Sorry, take your talking points elsewhere.

[Ian_walker]

68. Obama Campaign is now talking UNITY

Fantastic

[mculator]

70. Most Dems favor Dream Ticket. Thats Clinton/Obama.

Welcome to crapsville, Obama.

[Ian_walker]

71. Obama Campaign is now talking UNITY

Could be Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama

I am happy with either

[mculator]

72. Me too.

[Ian_walker]

73. Good to hear but the Rove Trolls are out in force So...

Lets us start pushing UNITY.

Democratic Party UNITY

UNITY Time has come!

[theHandpuppet]

74. From what I've seen coming Mr. Obama's supporters here...

... I'd say "unity" is the biggest joke on the planet.

[metalluk]

78. Unity

I agree. From what I've read on this message board, it is clear that Obama supporters are no more about unity than anyone else in our society. They don't speak for Obama, of course, but the level of nastiness directed at not only Clinton but Clinton's constituencies is very disturbing. As far as I can see, "unity" for Obama supporters means mainly more influence/advantages for young voters and African-Americans, and less for blue-collar workers, the elderly, Latinos, women, and some others. There has never been a previous primary for which voting patterns were so predictable based on demographic categories. As it becomes increasingly clear that Obama's idea of unity does not include many demographic groups, voting will become increasingly polarized. The elderly vote, female vote, the Latino block, and white blue-collar constitutency are all very large blocks. None of these groups are solidly Democratic no matter what.

Unity is highly unlikely among Democrats now or after the convention, without some kind of creative maneuvering in relation to the ticket that ultimately emerges.

For some of you, the foremost objective is the Democrats winning. For me, the top prioriy is getting the best President possible, for the good of the country. I will not be supporting Barack Obama if he is nominated because he is far too inexperienced for the job. Were he to select Clinton as a running mate, it would make no difference. She wouldn't accept the offer, anyway. If Clinton is nominated, she should offer the V.P. to Obama. It would be an ideal position for him to acquire a level of experience to justify a run for the presidency in either 2012 or 2016.

[Ian_walker]

79. UNITY removes division. Unity solves impasse. Unity heals all wounds!

As I have said elsewhere.

There are a few Rove Trolls about...

When the Democratic Part Nomination is made all REAL Democratic Party supporters will get behind that nomination.