Ms Clinton's donations do not add up. Possible campaign finance fraud.

[ThatBozGuy]

Finance limits are $2300



http://www.campaignmoney.com/advanced.asp?searchtype=contributors&cycle1=08&lname=Callahan&fname=Kathy&work=&zipcodes=07657&fdate=&tdate=&state=&cycle2=08&cmtetype=&cmtename=&cmteorg=&igc=&cmteparty=&cycle3=08&cndoffice=&cndtype=&cndlname=&cndfname=&cndstate=&cndparty=&orderby=">CampaignMoney.com

[Kittycat]

1. That's interesting. Who is Kathy Callahan, and how did you find out about her?

Is she the one that left the campaign after several thousand was charged to her CC without permission?

[tammywammy]

2. Same person

[ThatBozGuy]

3. Yes and there are others, compiling a comprehensive list now NT

[papau]

31. you do know the rules? - seems no real other examples of fraud as I know the rules. How

do you conclude that you have evidence of fraud beyond this lady over contributing - assuming there is frauf with her and there are not 2 persons with same name or that the contribution were not all for 2008 - with some for other election cycles or to retire debt coming from other cycles, or that she recorded the wrong name as she reported the donation..?

[ThatBozGuy]

37. Individual donations more than 4600, 2300 Primary and 2300 general.

Exceeding that by an individual for individual donations breaks the rules.

Dhillon, Randeep
BAKERSFIELD, CA
93304 $11,500 12/03/2007 P HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - Democrat
Dhillon, Randeep
BAKERSFIELD, CA
93304 $2,300 12/03/2007 G HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - Democrat
Dhillon, Randeep S
BAKERSFIELD, CA
93304 Arco/Store Owner $4,600 11/01/2007 P HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - Democrat
Dhillon, Randeep S
BAKERSFIELD, CA
93304 Arco/Store Owner $4,600 10/23/2007 P HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - Democrat
Dhillon, Randeep
BAKERSFIELD, CA
93304 Arco/Store Owner $2,300 06/14/2007 P HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - Democrat
Dhillon, Randeep
BAKERSFIELD, CA
93304 Arco/Store Owner $2,300 06/14/2007 G HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - Democrat

[papau]

41. Looks like you found two - out of a several hundred thousand. Did you check Obama -did you confirm

that the excessive donations were not relatives incorrectly reported as under his name?

the Kathy mess appears to fraud coming from a Va campaign supervisor of hers - glad she got her money back - which also of course cleared up the fraud http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4996064

[AtomicKitten]

4. There is some connection to the Clinton Library donors.

The Clintons have nixed releasing information on donors and are not releasing their tax forms with schedules.

Just what we need: More secrecy in government. :(

[MadAndy]

11. Didn't Bill just get 30 mil for helping some crook make a uranium deal in asia?

[AtomicKitten]

21. Oh yeah. He's raking in a wad on the global Military Industrial Complex gravy train.

[papau]

25. Obama has not released his tax forms with schedules - he released copy of signed first page w/ no

backup beyond a typed sheet with "summaries" of the backup schedules

[Yurovsky]

5. A lot of funny-$$$ hijinx over at Kamp Hillary ...

she should have left the race already and this might have blown over. But you get enough reporters and bloggers interested in her finances, and the threads start unravelling. Before you know it, her nice cableknit sweater will just be a pile of yarn ... sitting on top of an indictment or two...

[David Dunham]

6. Wrong. You can give $4600 total ($2300 primary, $2300 general)

[Kittycat]

10. Even still... Did you add up those totals? Looks to be around $10K

[Catherina]

16. You can't "give" $11,300 with most of it being unauthorized charges on your credit card

Clinton campaign finance committee member switches to Obama

$11,300 according to her and
Campaign Money

[ThatBozGuy]

23. How many times can you donate $2300, This many or more?

One for primary, One for general, but how about this:

Dhillon, Randeep
BAKERSFIELD, CA
93304 $11,500 12/03/2007 P HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - Democrat
Dhillon, Randeep
BAKERSFIELD, CA
93304 $2,300 12/03/2007 G HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - Democrat
Dhillon, Randeep S
BAKERSFIELD, CA
93304 Arco/Store Owner $4,600 11/01/2007 P HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - Democrat
Dhillon, Randeep S
BAKERSFIELD, CA
93304 Arco/Store Owner $4,600 10/23/2007 P HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - Democrat
Dhillon, Randeep
BAKERSFIELD, CA
93304 Arco/Store Owner $2,300 06/14/2007 P HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - Democrat
Dhillon, Randeep
BAKERSFIELD, CA
93304 Arco/Store Owner $2,300 06/14/2007 G HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - Democrat

[alteredstate]

7. How can we make the public aware of the allegations of fraud ?

n/t

[blonndee]

9. Hmmm...how did other "scandals" become public knowledge? n/t

[Kittycat]

14. Email KO, Maddow, Rhodes & all direct MSM news channels.

You can also email the news staff on the trail.

[FrenchieCat]

8. Can't a person give to the General election fund as well as to the primary election fund?

I think that is what can happen.

Meaning that Hillary may be touting 35 mil in Feb and 4 mil in 2-4 days, but the real question would be, which fund did that money go into? I could imagine them deceiving the public in order to get news out there and the perception that their fundraising is going good, when in reality it is a disaster.

[tammywammy]

13. You can, $2300 for primary and then for general

Kathy Cambridge gave $11,300

[Renew Deal]

12. Here's another one

Millstone, Sacha Raymond James and Associ/Senior VP BOULDER CO 80303 2,300 01/29/2007 HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - DEMOCRAT
Millstone, Sacha Raymond James and Associ/Senior VP BOULDER CO 80303 2,300 01/29/2007 HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - DEMOCRAT

http://www.campaignmoney.com/advanced.asp?searchtype=contributors&cycle1=08&lname=Millstone&fname=Sacha&work=&zipcodes=&fdate=&tdate=&state=&cycle2=08&cmtetype=&cmtename=&cmteorg=&igc=&cmteparty=&cycle3=08&cndoffice=&cndtype=&cndlname=&cndfname=&cndstate=&cndparty=&orderby=

[Renew Deal]

17. And another one

Patricof, Alan J Apax Partners Inc./Co-Founder NEW YORK NY 10022 2,300 01/26/2007 HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - DEMOCRAT
Patricof, Alan J Apax Partners Inc./Co-Founder NEW YORK NY 10022 1,900 01/26/2007 HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - DEMOCRAT
Patricof, Alan J Greycroft Partners/Co-Founder NEW YORK NY 10022 400 06/30/2007 HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - DEMOCRAT

http://www.campaignmoney.com/advanced.asp?searchtype=contributors&cycle1=08&lname=Patricof&fname=Alan&work=&zipcodes=&fdate=&tdate=&state=&cycle2=08&cmtetype=&cmtename=&cmteorg=&igc=&cmteparty=&cycle3=08&cndoffice=&cndtype=&cndlname=&cndfname=&cndstate=&cndparty=&orderby=

It looks like they ran this scam in January.

[FrenchieCat]

20. Bundled contributions, per chance?

[tammywammy]

27. He also gave for the General and the Primary

http://newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?city=New+York&st=NY&last=Patricof&first=alan

[ThatBozGuy]

33. Bleachers watch the contributed to part., some of the ones you are posting are wrong NT

[Renew Deal]

35. What do you mean?

What part is wrong? I just copied and pasted. Also, I used your source.

[Hawkeye-X]

18. $4600 is OK.

As long as 2300 is for general and 2300 is for primaries. You need to look for something over that amount though.

Hawkeye-X

[Renew Deal]

26. Not sure about that.

It's a strange coincidence. Also, how do we know they didn't use the money already. They were broke.

[tammywammy]

22. She gave for the General & the Primary

http://newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?city=Boulder&st=CO&last=Millstone&first=sacha

[Renew Deal]

29. I see that.

But it's still a strange coincidence. These are all people listed as "finance committee" members and they all got hit 2-3 times within a couple days.

[tammywammy]

32. It's still all within the legal limits

$2300 for the general and $2300 for the primary.

[Renew Deal]

36. But was it authorized?

There's a very strange coincidence here. A lot of them happened on the same day for the same amounts. It's too weird.

[tammywammy]

39. You'd need to contact each donor to see if it was

Dhillon, Randeep
Bakersfield , CA 93304

Had contributions refunded, that I would wonder about.


These others you're posting is just speculation. They've donated the legal limit.

[Renew Deal]

24. And a 4th

Catsimatidis, John A Red Apple Group Inc/CEO NEW YORK NY 10021 2,300 01/26/2007 HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - DEMOCRAT
Catsimatidis, John A Red Apple Group Inc/CEO NEW YORK NY 10021 1,900 01/26/2007 HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - DEMOCRAT
Catsimatidis, John A Red Apple Group Inc/CEO NEW YORK NY 10021 400 03/31/2007 HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - DEMOCRAT

http://www.campaignmoney.com/advanced.asp?searchtype=contributors&cycle1=08&lname=Catsimatidis&fname=John&work=&zipcodes=&fdate=&tdate=&state=&cycle2=08&cmtetype=&cmtename=&cmteorg=&igc=&cmteparty=&cycle3=08&cndoffice=&cndtype=&cndlname=&cndfname=&cndstate=&cndparty=&orderby=

We might have a bigtime scandal here. This seemed to happen all around the same time (end of January).

[tammywammy]

30. He gave for the General and the Primary

http://newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?city=New+York&st=NY&last=Catsimatidis&first=john


You should really cross check these before posting. www.newsmeat.com is a good site to use.

[Renew Deal]

38. I get it.

That's not the point. Isn't it a little weird that this happened with multiple, with the same amounts of money, on the same day. Also, in the context of the OP, were they all authorized?

[tammywammy]

40. I just want to make sure that others reading this thread know those people donated to both

the general and the primary and are within the legal limits. As far as being authorized or not, you'd need to contact those individual donors.

[Renew Deal]

34. A 5th

Same exact dates as the others...

Hochberg, Fred P New School University/Dean Milano G NEW YORK NY 10011 2,300 01/26/2007 HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - DEMOCRAT
Hochberg, Fred P New School University/Dean Milano G NEW YORK NY 10011 1,900 01/26/2007 HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - DEMOCRAT
Hochberg, Fred P New School University/Dean Milano G NEW YORK NY 10011 400 03/31/2007 HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT - DEMOCRAT

http://www.campaignmoney.com/advanced.asp?pg=2&searchtype=contributors&cycle1=08&lname=Hochberg&fname=Fred&work=&zipcodes=&fdate=&tdate=&state=&cycle2=08&cmtetype=&cmtename=&cmteorg=&igc=&cmteparty=&cycle3=08&cndoffice=&cndtype=&cndlname=&cndfname=&cndstate=&cndparty=&orderby=

[tammywammy]

43. Again, for the General & Primary

Also, this coincidence you see was just a few days after she announced her run for the presidency. Makes sense that a lot of people would have donated then.

[Renew Deal]

45. There's plenty more of these and from this year

COPE, JOHNNY D
HOBBS,NM 88240
ABC RENTAL TOOL/PRESIDENT
1/31/2008
$2,300
Clinton, Hillary

COPE, JOHNNY D
HOBBS,NM 88240
ABC RENTAL TOOL/PRESIDENT
1/31/2008
$2,300
Clinton, Hillary

COPE, MARTY
HOBBS,NM 88240
DIRECTOR
1/31/2008
$2,300
Clinton, Hillary

COPE, MARTY
HOBBS,NM 88240
DIRECTOR
1/31/2008
$2,300
Clinton, Hillary

FAWER, DAVID S
NEW YORK,NY 10014
1/31/2008
$2,300
Clinton, Hillary

FAWER, DAVID S
NEW YORK,NY 10014
1/31/2008
$2,300
Clinton, Hillary

FAWER, WILLA
NEW YORK,NY 10022
1/31/2008
$2,300
Clinton, Hillary

FAWER, WILLA
NEW YORK,NY 10022
1/31/2008
$2,300
Clinton, Hillary

[tammywammy]

46. Wow, two more people that on the same day donated the max to the general & primary

Makes sense, if someone's got the money to give would give to both, I know I would.

This is much ado about nothing, if you don't have proof that these weren't authorized. It's fund raising, they managed to get the max out of donors.

[Renew Deal]

48. At minimum they padded their numbers.

How much of it was illegal is not clear, but it puts into perspective just how far behind they were in January.

[tammywammy]

50. There have been 2 people posted here that gave more than the legal amount

And both were refunded in December.

Do you have more that did give more than the legal limit? Giving the legal limit to the general & primary on the same day isn't fishy. You're going on pure speculation on people who happened to donate the limit to the general & primary at the same time.

[starroute]

51. But can those general election donations legally be spent now?

I'm having trouble finding a clear statement of whether money donated for the general election has to be kept clearly distinct from the expenditures on the primary. The clearest statement I've come up with is this, from an article of a year ago. (Yeah, right-wing source, but it doesn't seem to matter for this brief quote.)

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=20146

Because donors are only permitted to donate $2,300 towards a candidate’s primary election, anything over that amount is rolled to a separate fund for the general election with a total cap of $4,600. Since Obama courted more low-dollar donors, who did not give more than $2,300 each, more of his dollars could be used against Hillary in a primary. Hillary solicited more high-dollar donors, who gave more than $2,300. As a result, more of her money had to be put into a general election fund that could not be immediately accessed.

So the real question I see has to to with the meaning of "could not be immediately accessed." Do the campaign finance laws say that money has to be sequestered until the convention, or can Clinton claim that, for example, half of what she's paying her advisers is going into their work on strategy for the general election and can therefore legally come out of that second set of donations?

Does anybody know exactly how it works?

[Cha]

15. mccain will have to get

after her.

[AZBlue]

19. A belated "Welcome to DU!"

:hi:

[Geostudent]

28. Hillary for President is a PAC...

This group is a Political Action Committee, not her federal campaign. It has different funding rules. If you follow the links, it shows that the group is a PAC and you can see people who have made $10k plus donations.

http://www.campaignmoney.com/committee.asp?committeeID=C00431569&cycle=08

[Liquorice]

42. That is terrible news! They thought they had a big scandal! LMAO nt

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

44. Oh My God The Ignorance Some Have Fallen To. How Fucking Embarrassing.

This is pathetic. Just absolutely pathetic. Get a grip please.

[rodeodance]

49. I realy do not think they even care how foolish they look anymore! I really do not!

[The River]

47. See Her Story Here

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/9/2038/37655/750/473190

Seems she worked for the Clinton campaign and they were billing
things to her credit card without her permission. She had to threaten action
to get paid back.

PS she has left the Clinton campaign and is now an Obama supporter