Do you believe Hillary is really a warmonger?

[AGirl]

or that she is just simply wrong on the issue of "national security" and national defense? (ie: cluster bombs and the iraq war vote)

[AtomicKitten]

1. She is a hawk and votes for war on the basis of her own political backside.

She isn't fit to be president.

[niceypoo]

9. Lets look at a few of Obama's votes, shall we?

Obama voted for the bills that gave Blackwater the funding they needed to shoot the people of New Orleans who were only trying to save their own lives...

Obama voted to bring cheap foreign workers into New Orleans after Katrina

Obama voted to place "Katrina Catastrophe" Cheftoff in charge of Homeland Security

Obama voted for Real-ID thus ending political asylum for people seeking shelter in this country because of persecution...

Obama supported Israels invasion of Lebanon in 06 in which Israel used more cluster bombs than were used in all of Iraq....

I can go on and on and on but you probably get the picture...

[AGirl]

12. I hate that Obama supported Israels invasion of Lebanon in 06

[moobu2]

18. You mean he actually showed up and voted on something?

[Critters2]

22. And he still got it wrong. nt

[Lord Helmet]

30. you got that right. she's a neocon in a pantsuit

[Hepburn]

2. How can one be a peace activist and vote YES on...

...that shit? IMO, Hillary is a war monger.

[goclark]

3. Don't think she is a war monger

and that is coming from someone that can handle the sight of her.

She is many negative things but not that ~ she is to busy grabbing power.

The lady needs Rehab.

[Extend a Hand]

4. No.

I really do think (hope, hope, hope) that if she is elected she will revert to her more liberal roots.

[tabasco]

5. I believe she is an unprincipled coward.

Her vote for the war was a vote for Hillary's career (or so she thought) and a vote against the people of the USA and Iraq.

Hillary will not show her tax returns to Democratic voters but will have to disclose them if she is nominated.

Hill and Bill put their power grab above the Democratic party and the country.

[tokenlib]

27. She is a naked political opportunist like Bill n/t

[DinahMoeHum]

6. No. She's just too much of a weathervane, blowing with the wind.

And on certain issues regarding national security and the Iraq War vote, she had numerous opportunities to make her stand - and she didn't do it.

:evilfrown:

[Yurovsky]

11. Triangulation ... the Clinton gift that keeps on giving ...

unfortunately it's giving the average Iraqi a much shorter life expectancy right now.

I'm sure if the Clinton pollsters said we needed to attack Canada we'd be running tanks through the streets of Ottawa within 48 hours. It has always been about THEM, and whatever makes THEM popular at any given moment. I'll never forget WJC's State of the Union speech in Jan 1995 ... "The era of Big Government is OVER!" ... who the fuck wrote that for him, Newt Gingrich???

All of the Clinton apologists who want to call every Obama supporter sexist, or a GOP mole/Freeper, or naive, can just pucker up and kiss my ass. I have a LONG memory, and I'm not in a forgiving mood regarding the Clintons. They're scorched earth policies in Texas and Ohio have only steeled my resolve.

[hedgehog]

7. I think she is too short sighted to see where her actions will lead.

Also, she can talk herself into thinking that the expedient position is the moral one.

[blonndee]

8. Yes, because it served her.

If "peacemonger" served her drive for power, that would have been the role she would have played. But since it didn't, she chose to take part in this monstrosity and she will continue to do so as long as it works for her.

[DJ13]

10. Wrong question

The right question is: Do you think Hillary would reduce the military budget?

Everything else (illegal wars, defense contractor corruption, interventionist policies) stems from the answer to that question.

For the record, I cannot see Hillary reducing the military budgets as she's already shown she thinks she has to prove herself tougher than a man on that issue with her IWR vote.

[GoldieAZ49]

13. naw, she just endorses one for POTUS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZsYWiywdCA&feature=related

[Tennessee Gal]

14. Absolutely not.

And your question is disgusting.

[krkaufman]

15. Honestly... I would classify her as "an enabler of warmongers"

It is unfortunate that she feels she needs to be so hawkish in order to project "strength."

[zulchzulu]

16. She is more of a political opportunist voting without regard of the consequences

Give me Boxer or Pelosi...even Maxine Waters... they could vote against a war and still maintain their integrity.

[alteredstate]

17. Yep- she's "simply wrong on the issue of "national security" and national defense"

and that's why I didn't vote for her. And the Clintons' ruthlessness and poor mamnagement of their campaign has made me wonder if I can vote for them in the GE.

[bobthedrummer]

19. "Inconvenient truths about the New Democrats, the Third Way, Democratic leadership Council, etc."

(highly relevant active GD thread started 3-7-2008)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2973191

AGirl, yes she is a warmonger-she and many of President Clinton's former administration that are self-described centrist/right Democrats that comprise the Democratic Leadership Council/DLC-they support neoconservative policies and have abandoned their traditional Democratic base.

It takes awhile to work through the linked GD thread. You might want to check out the profile of the co-founder of the DLC, Will Marshall, another warmonger, first.

Will Marshall profile from Right Web
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1295.html

[msongs]

24. obama votes to support and fund the iraqi occupation - nt

[bobthedrummer]

28. Most of the so-called new leadership voted in has sucked whatever they suck

and not done anything to remove and hold accountable (for their war crimes and treason) the criminals in this installed administration of GEORGE WALKER BUSH/RICHARD BRUCE CHENEY that actually implemented the neoconservative policies advanced by their own inner circle.

GEORGE WALKER BUSH and RICHARD BRUCE CHENEY lied to the world and criminally launched a war of choice against Iraq based on their manufactured phoney "intelligence" that was designed to bypass the oversight of Congress-the representatives of we, the people.

Senator Clinton voted yes to the IWR. She is a warmongering liar collaborating with a bunch of neoconservative moles in the Democratic Party. She's a major power in the DLC along with her husband's former cabinet members and WH staff that are DLC members/supporters.

Any questions about those facts, msongs?

[cosmik debris]

20. Depends on which way the wind is blowing n/t

[amborin]

21. Obama said nothing is off the table re: Iran

that means including nuking it

[JVS]

23. She has mongered war, so yes.

[rodeodance]

25. oh yeah--she loves dem wars!! What a stupid question!

[Jed Dilligan]

26. I see no substantial difference between the parts of your either/or.

[Johnny__Motown]

29. She just votes whatever way she thinks is better for her political career. No morals or values

[proud2BlibKansan]

31. Yes, yes and yes

:)