If HRC people don't understand the nuanced statement Obama made about Reagan,

[joeprogressive]

then they are the less educated voters that all the polls say they are. You really shouldn't worry that Obama may embrace Reagan's policies, which he doesn't, you should be very worried that he can get crossover voters in droves to start the Obama revolution.

[dansolo]

1. That's exactly what they are worried about

[TwilightGardener]

2. Her supporters here frankly just don't strike me as all that bright or thoughtful.

Some are, but the vast majority are a little bit...simple. Since they trash Obama supporters endlessly, I feel quite justified in letting it rip.

[Name removed]

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[TwilightGardener]

6. LOL! Yeah.

[rodeodance]

11. take that down now please. Nothing but flamebait.

[joeprogressive]

Truth hurts, quit whining. n/t

[rodeodance]

21. You folks are making an art of looking foolish lately!

[Cant trust em]

38. ooh ooh. What did it say?!?!?

Someone got TS'd. I'm just kidding. If it was TSable, I don't even want to know.

[CoffeeCat]

7. You should have seen the Hillary Clinton precinct captain...

...at my caucus.

She stood on a chair and gave a speech about Clinton. The first line of this speech was, "Well...I know most of
you Edwards and Obama supporters only like these guys because they're good looking, but..."

Yeah. Right. Whatever.

[TwilightGardener]

14. Ha! I heard similar stuff at my caucus. One lady got up and went on and

on about Bill and how wonderful the 90's were, and all of a sudden a bunch of people from our side started yelling, "Bill's not on the ballot!". I seriously think a lot of Clinton people are voting for Bill, either out of fondness and nostalgia, or because their electorate is elderly and just a little bit confused.

[printpolitico]

54. Put the pup back in the bag

Nasty nasty, equally true for BO supporters. Except for the lack of intelligence. part, I wouldn't call someone less intelligent without looking at their resume.
Go Jayhawks.

[donheld]

4. They don't want to understand that

they just want to play the spin game.

[zulchzulu]

5. Carville's new line for Hillary must be "it's the stupidity, stupid..."

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

8. Oh That's Rich. Someone Preaching To The Hillary Side About Understanding Nuances.

With all due respect, that's the funniest goddamn thing I've read all day.

:rofl:

[damndude]

15. well

not everyone wants to spend all day debating what the meaning of is is

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

17. And You're Trying To Imply What By That Exactly?

This should be interesting.

[rodeodance]

18. just increase your reading comprehension skills.

[TriplePlay]

37. Was it OK for Bill Clinton to praise Reagan?

Or is every hypocrisy from the Clinton campaign OK for you Hillary supporters?

The Ideas Bill Forgot

By E. J. Dionne Jr.
Friday, January 25, 2008; Page A19

It was a remarkable moment: A young, free-thinking presidential hopeful named Bill Clinton sat down with reporters and editors at The Post in October 1991 and started saying things most Democrats wouldn't allow to pass their lips.

Ronald Reagan, Clinton said, deserved credit for winning the Cold War. He praised Reagan's "rhetoric in defense of freedom" and his role in "advancing the idea that communism could be rolled back."

"The idea that we were going to stand firm and reaffirm our containment strategy, and the fact that we forced them to spend even more when they were already producing a Cadillac defense system and a dinosaur economy, I think it hastened their undoing," Clinton declared.

Clinton was careful to add that the Reagan military program included "a lot of wasted money and unnecessary expenditure," but the signal had been sent: Clinton was willing to move beyond "the brain-dead politics in both parties," as he so often put it.

His apostasy was widely noticed. The Memphis Commercial Appeal praised Clinton a few days later for daring to "set himself apart from the pack of contenders for the Democratic nomination by saying something nice about Ronald Reagan." Clinton's "readiness to defy his party's prevailing Reaganphobia . . .," the paper wrote, "is one reason he's a candidate to watch."

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

39. Your Reply Has What To Do With My Post Now?

Not sure why you felt the need to post that to me, since it had not a fucking iota to do with my reply.

I have a feeling we'll be having much fun in the future. Can't wait! :hi:

[rodeodance]

9. I understand--Obama endorsed McCain--simple as that.....

see how silly that is?--but it is the same as all you folks saying that Hillary endorsed mccain!

[elixir]

56. Well put, Rodeodance. Once again, you nailed it.

:hi:

[rodeodance]

10. I hear that Obamafolk believe that Clinton endorsed mccain! Why would she do that

when she wants that job herself?---there is no logic to saying that now is there!

[IDemo]

13. She made a very clear implied endorsement

That barring a vote for her, voting for McCain would be preferable to voting for Obama.

[rodeodance]

16. don't be silly. Hillary is a Democrat! -You listen to RW tv too much are are duped!

[IDemo]

22. No, I don't listen to RW tv, nor am I 'are are duped'

If you're unable to parse meaning from statements made by candidates, what are you doing attacking or defending anyone on an online message board?

[rodeodance]

25. and you need to increase your reading comprehension skills. And yes the RW machine

is repeating this and you are duped

[IDemo]

34. If RWTV is repeating a talking point that Hillary coughed out for them,

I'm sure they're grateful to have the attack video all set for the general election. She very plainly implied that she and McCain have the necessary experience and that Obama does not. The unmistakable message is that if she loses the nomination, the nation would be in better hands with old man McCain than Obama.

[rodeodance]

35. Too much RW smut is brought here to DU!!

[MonkeyFunk]

48. LOL

"very clear implied..."


Sort of an overt backhanded thing, eh?

[damndude]

i think.......i hope

his idea is to rebuild the democratic party into the dominant force in american politics in the way that neither clinton has shown interest in doing. now while the republicans have chosen a nominees that dost even have the support of it's base and he has to foraging around to votes from his own electorate flashing his evangelical cred, it is the time to build the image and the coalitions to move the country away from its steady diet of fear, intolerance, puritanism and secrecy. obama has been the one attempting to do just that. look at the democrat he helped to pick up republican hastert's congressional seat in a republican district this passed week.
the top down ticket. state and local races. thats is what has become important. rebuilding our party from the ground up and wrest it from refugees of a failed revolution.

[CitizenLeft]

26. well said

:thumbsup:

[CoffeeCat]

12. Hillary Clinton...

...never thought that Obama liked Reagan's ideas. She understood very well what Obama was saying.

You forget that the Nevada caucuses were close. Hillary needed to swing the hatchet.

Obama made a statement of fact about "Ronald Reagan changing the trajectory of politics" and that the "Republican
party was the party of ideas" in the 80's. It was true. They galvanized around their platform and
the Dems did not have a succinct message.

We've seen this over and over again. She attacks, twists and then after the damage is
done, moves onto the next attack.

And endless parade of manufactured manipulations...that's her game.

[rodeodance]

20. Obama endored Ronnie Reagan!!

[CoffeeCat]

24. He said that he changed the trajectory of...

...American politics.

He didn't endorse Reagan. You are absurd.

So hypocritical of you to be so hysterical over Obama's statement of fact, regarding Reagan's
ability to galvanize a movement---yet it's fine and dandy with you when Hillary leverages the
candidacy of John McCain, in order to trash a fellow Dem.

So, let me get this intellectual garbage disposal of insanity straight:

--Observational comments about Ronald Reagan = BAD! BAD!!!
--Praise of John McCain = POETRY FROM HILLARY THAT WE CAN ALL BE PROUD OF!

Riiiiiiight.

:rofl:

[rodeodance]

29. Obama most certainly did ENDORSE Ronnie!

[CoffeeCat]

32. You're right....

Obama did endorse Reagan. He endorsed him as the guy most likely to be currently being eaten by hungry earthworms

Is that so wrong?

Why do you hate 'The circle of life'?

[rodeodance]

33. Right on----Glad you finally got it.

[joeprogressive]

45. Exhibit #1 on display for all to see. n/t

[joeprogressive]

23. I was talking to her supporters here who keep spewing the Reagan connection.

It just shows their ignorance and inability to see past the word Reagan and read into exactly what he said.

[CoffeeCat]

30. I hear ya...

I find their Reagan hysteria pretty hysterical myself.

How can they be so outraged about Obama's Reagan comments, then turn around and justify and defend Hillary's
praise of McCain and her compliments about McCain's breadth of experience?

[Zhade]

41. They were, of course, very BAD ideas.

But yes, you are correct. She lies. We've seen it.

[tokenlib]

19. The Clintons knew damn well what Obama was saying about Reagan..

Bill was the poster child for the transforming influence of Reagan. Embracing welfare reform, giving the military everything it wanted to show his toughness, triangulating and stealing republican themes. Democrats are still afraid of Reagan's shadow and react to it.

[rodeodance]

28. Obama

endorsed Reagen. We know all about that.

[Spider Jerusalem]

27. They don't understand math, either.

[Cha]

31. Here's what a poster on huffington has

to write about that..

"I could have written this column. How many of us has Hillary lost along the way? It would be interesting to get a number.
I voted for each Clinton two times, and defended them even when I felt ashamed of their ideas (Health Care Secrecy, The Welfare 'Reform" war on the Poor, The Iraq War, Triangulationism) and their conduct (THAT WOMAN!!! Marc Rich. The bald ambition of running for Senate in a state you never lived in because "Hillary deserves to be our Senator").

Then I watched Hillary pin Obama with things I knew he never said, because I had watched the video on You Tube and read the transcript, about "Republicans having 'all the best ideas.'"

Even after he proved to her SHE and Bill had praised Reagan directly and warmly and she was telling lies, she said, "Well, that's how it sounded to me."

I think The Clinton's are a disease on our soul. Bill never got near 50 % of the vote, and I wonder how she plans on winning without those of us she has alienated who are life-long Democratic Party members. And Hillary "DittoTaylorMarsh-heads, spare us all the talk about Hillary's "steadfastness". She survives because she has no shame and no ideas. She is the creation of the Lobbyist and Hedge Fund Class and she has turned her Fame, like Bill, into a fortune."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4997075&mesg_id=4997858

[Emit]

36. Does anyone have a clip that includes the question he was asked?

I've only seen and heard his response. I'd like to know the context in which he was speaking.

[krkaufman]

40. I expect it's largely related to Clinton worship ...

... where they're unable to wrap their minds around the possibility that Nixon was more liberal/progressive than Bill Clinton. Nixon mostly continued liberal/progressive policies while Bill Clinton mostly continued Republican/Conservative/Reaganomics policies.

Obama didn't praise Reagan's policies, he only commented on Reagan's transformational aspect, his changing the direction of the country.

And, right on!, regarding the crossover voters ... and I'd add that Obama has begun building the popular support in more states across the nation that will help the Democrats win more House and Senate seats, and move towards the working majority that he is talking about.

[WinkyDink]

42. Trade you one Obama Reagan reference for one HRC McCain reference.

[amborin]

43. guess you think Paul Krugman is stupid, too, though he's a brilliant progressive economist

Krugman is someone dems have always admired, whose ideas and viewpoints are truly progressive

a rarity among university economists, who are largely in the neo classical mindset

even Obama's Goolsby is a big advocate of free trade

so...Krugman correctly detected the true intent of Obama's Ronnie Reagan remarks

and condemned them

so you want to say Krugman is stupid, too?

[joeprogressive]

47. No, I have always admired Krugman and concede he is brilliant.

However, he is the classic example of how allegiance can blind someone, even someone as smart as Krugman. Do you remember Kerry Mullis (SP?) He is a brilliant scientist that came up with the PCR technique for DNA identification. For the right amount money he took the stand and testified against that technique's validity to help O.J. get off. Go figure.

[smalll]

44. "Nuanced statement" is just a polite way to say GAFFE.

Like when Obamarosa said she'd never been really proud of her country until her hubby broke into the first tier. That was just a nuanced statement about the political process.

[ProSense]

46. No, it was a nuanced statement with no praise in it. This is praise:

Hillary on Reagan: He played the balance and the music beautifully.

Or gaffe, take it anyway you want to.

[TheDonkey]

49. and they do not mind Hillary endorsing McCain.

only a matter of time before she starts campaigning for him in order to build her FP cred.

[Sulawesi]

50. This is a good time to bring up this tidbit from HRCs web site...

"But no president can do it alone. She must break recent tradition, cast cronyism aside and fill her cabinet with the best people, not only the best Democrats, but the best Republicans as well.. We’re confident she will do that. Her list of favorite presidents - Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Truman, George H.W. Bush and Reagan - demonstrates how she thinks. As expected, Bill Clinton was also included on the aforementioned list."

[Arkansas Granny]

51. It has gotten rather disappointing and tiresome to see Obama supporters

accept the assumption that less educated people are ignorant and cannot understand nuanced statements. It does not take a college education to understand political speech.

[democrattotheend]

52. Can we stop insulting voters?

Please! I am all for criticism of Clinton (and there is plenty to criticize, IMO) but why do we need to attack the people who vote for her?

I can't stand when people call us "trust fund babies" or "latte liberals" or "cultists", so why do we need to insult her voters as uneducated or stupid?

[joeybee12]

53. ass...

...nice way to insult people...yeah, if we don't see things your way, we're less educated.

[ORDem]

55. HRC people aren't exactly stupid, they just love to twist everything and anything

to support their candidate, to the detriment of the party and country, if necessary.

Every week that passes and every new mendacious, misleading tactic that comes out of Hillary's campaign shows me she is just more of the same.

:kick: