The final battle for the superdelegates vote is engaged

[andym]

The Obama camp: The candidate with the most pledged delegates should be the nominee. Secondary argument: The candidate with the greatest popular vote should be the nominee.


The Clinton camp (through surrogate Ed Rendell): The candidate with the most electoral votes (treating all states as if they were operating under General Election rules) should be the nominee.

The battle has been joined for the most convincing message and you'll hear both echoed in the press in the coming weeks.
This may be the ultimate "spin war" for the nomination. Who will decide? Well ultimately the superdelegates, but the media will have a big say.

[Johnny__Motown]

1. Most SD need to be re elected to hold their jobs. Overturning the will of the voters isn't wise

[LisaL]

2. Then it depends on which state they are from, no?

Which makes GE argument sound convincing, LOL.

[Kittycat]

3. Not just states, but Districts.

Red/Purple districts are alive and well in blue states. Coattails ;)

[LisaL]

4. So, each superdelegate should look at how his/her district voted,

and vote accordingly?
Somehow I don't think that's what obamabots mean when they talk about "the will of the people."

[Johnny__Motown]

6. Since he has won 29 states and she has won 13..........

The point is that the majority of the SD will get behind the candidate with the most pledged delegates.


The "party unity" argument can also come into play.


If Hillary wins by overturning the pledged delegate count with SD she will be seen as Illegitimate. She will have no chance in the GE.

[ExtraGriz]

8. so why havent the SD gotten behind obama right now

to save the democratic party from blowing up? why not back him and get this over with? or do you think the majority of the remaining SD are hillary supporters and just waiting for Penn? you would think that if the math doesnt support hillary, they would of pledged to obama by now......

[thevoiceofreason]

16. They are

That's why her SD lead has gone from 90 to 35 in a month or so.

[bhikkhu]

5. Wisdom hasn't exactly been flowing from the taps lately...

Rendell said today (or I heard him say today) that the candidate who won the "big states" - Texas, Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, would never be denied the nomination by party superdelegates. Of course his reading is that HRC has won all three.

[writes3000]

9. He's wrong. It won't happen. n/t

[bhikkhu]

10. I certainly hope not...it would poison the well

You can look at our massive turnouts dwarfing the repug primary totals in every state, our enthusiasm, a whole new generation lining up behind the party and ready to hit the trenches...imagine just kissing that goodbye for a back-room "fix is in" deal. The blowback would last for decades.

[Jawja]

11. "The blowback would last for decades"

Yes... giving it to Clinton if Obama comes in with the most delegates, the most votes and the most States will destroy the Democratic Party as it is today. Perhaps that's a good thing, if it ultimately breaks the grip of the DLC (Republican-lite)on the Party. But can be a devastating blow to our country because we will have at least another 4 years of Rethug rule and the disastrous Bush policies that are destroying our military and our freedoms and the middle class and eventually, our security. In a time when the Rethugs are set for destruction under the weight of their failures, the Democratic Party is poised to self destruct and let them off the hook.

[ExtraGriz]

7. we saw the greatest overturning the will of the voters in 2000

and 2004. this is not comparable to those.

[Jawja]

12. But taking it away from Obama to give it to Clinton will remind

voters of 2000, especially Democrats and Independents, and they will see the Democratic Party being just as corrupt as the Rethugs.

[Genevieve]

13. Right, let's just change the rules midstream so Hillary can win.

ugh

[GalleryGod]

14. Once More...

:puke: :argh:

[Avalux]

15. If superdelegates ignore the rules for Clinton, it will be the end of the Democratic Party.

There is absolutely no way she'd win the GE under those circumstances. It would be suicide.

[andym]

18. That's why the spin counts so much

That's why the spin counts so much. If enough Democrats buy the spin for a particular outcome, it will happen.

However, the party would best avoid a split. 1968 was arguably a split, Humphrey lost. 1948 was definitely a split (on the right (Dixiecrat) and left (Progressive), but Truman won.

[Medusa]

17. The Clintons are trying to disenfranchize ALL voters

by doing an end run around them and nullify the votes of the American public to secure the nomination.