Clintons push Obama as a running mate

[midnight armadillo]

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/10/clintons_push_obama_as_a_running_mate/?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed5

Clintons push Obama as a running mate
Joint ticket 'premature,' Ill. senator says
By Thomas Ferraro, Reuters | March 10, 2008

WASHINGTON - Hillary and Bill Clinton have been talking up the idea that Barack Obama, whom they have called too inexperienced to be president, would make a strong running mate on a ticket headed by the New York senator.

Campaigning in Mississippi over the weekend, the former president was quoted as saying his wife and Obama could form "an almost unstoppable force."
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Senator John F. Kerry of Massachusetts, who has endorsed Obama, derided the Clintons' suggestion.

"The first threshold question about a vice president is, are you prepared to be president?" Kerry said yesterday on CBS's "Face the Nation."

"So on the one end, they are saying he's not prepared to be president. On the other hand, they're saying maybe he ought to be vice president," Kerry said.

Former Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota also mocked the idea.

"It may be the first time in history that the person who is running number two would offer the person running number one the number two position," Daschle said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

More at link.

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I have never, ever heard such a message of utter desperation from a serious campaign. Clearly they're hoping that Obama would pick Clinton as veep if the joint ticket meme gains traction, 'cause the math just isn't there for Team Clinton.

[Alter Ego]

1. It would appear we're in the "Bargaining" stage of grief.

[midnight armadillo]

2. Ha!

Good one!
:rofl:

[JimGinPA]

3. "The Clintons Are Trying To Sell A House They Don't Own"

I Xeroxed someone from "Morning Joe".

[HereSince1628]

5. This sort of thing gives folks who sell bridges a bad name.

:eyes:

[opihimoimoi]

4. It can only happen if they agree to share power in carrying out their desirable goals

A healing process must first ensue..

This is the better way of making sure McShame stays in the SDenate.

[C_U_L8R]

6. It's a silly tactic

by the Clinton's to try to deflate exuberance in the Obama side.
Very Lao Tzu. Unfortunately (for them) it's also pretty comical.

[susankh4]

7. Last ditch attempt to save the party.....

Bill is good at that sort of thing.

Hope it works, so we don't end up with another white guy in the White House.

[AzDar]

10. The Clintons aren't trying to save the Party, they're merely trying to save the Clintons.

[susankh4]

13. In your opinion.

[AzDar]

14. Uhhhh....well-said?

:rofl:

[Hepburn]

17. Exactly.

The Clintons don't give a shit about you, me, the party, the Nation or anything else. It is ALL about them and getting Hillary the nomination.

Unbelievable....she is losing to Obama and she is offering him the second spot on the ticket. :eyes:

[Inuca]

20. The perfect definition of chutzpah n/t

[Hepburn]

22. Absolutely....

...and that was the term I was thinking of using! :hi:

It is like one looks in a Yiddish dictionary for the term...and there is a picture of Bill and Hill!

[BearSquirrel2]

44. Chutzpah???

Is that the term???

We see, he in unqualified to be President. But he's qualified to be a heartbeat away from being President. Good line of reasoning. The Thugs will tear that apart.

Either way Hillary WILL be featured in GOP commercials for the fall campaign. The issue is whether Hillary will be part of the ticket and associated with the person she is criticizing.

[karynnj]

19. A last didge effort to save the party would be:

1) To run a positive campaign. I never ever heard a candidate of either party have as their stated, official policy to {b]throw the kitchen sink at their primary opponent. To have it coming from a person, who was in the White House for 8 years and who was automatically considered to have influence as soon as she became a Senator makes it worse.

2) If they thought a unity ticket was the way to go, explicitly say the winner of the pledged delegates should take the other as VP.

Instead, they are playing on the same thing that helped the Clintons in the nice debate before super Tuesday. I did phonebanking and canvassing in NJ - and many said they wanted both and none thought HRC would take VP (Second spouse was too little for Bill Clinton). I can't say that this lost votes - I can say that then it was tough to counter.

[snooper2]

38. It doens't matter if the person is Purple, Green, White or Blue

or Female...

Just as long as it's not a Clinton or a Bush would make 74.8922% of the people happy

[Vinca]

8. The Clintons are trying to make nice with the Obama supporters

to keep us in line when they try to steal the election in Denver. It won't work.

[niceypoo]

41. Obama supporters don't do unity...

We know that all too well now...

[Skidmore]

9. The Clinton machine is a dinosaur sinking in a tar pit.

Let it sink. Obama should not tie himself or the nation to the Clintons. Such an alliance keeps entrenched the Bush-Clinton era. It needs to end.

[midnight armadillo]

11. 28 years of bush-clinton

8 years of Bush Sr as VP, 4 years as prez, 8 years of Clinton, 8 years of Bush Jr. 28 years. Time for some new blood, and time for the Baby Boomers to stop fucking up the country.

[niceypoo]

There is no such thing as Bush-Clinton, another straw man non-position

Bill Clinton was one of the most effective presidents in History, he spent 8 years undoing the damage from the Reagan era and paying off their bad check writing spree, with a hyper-hostile GOP going after him the whole time. Just because you are obsessed with his wife, does not undo his accomplishments.

When will Obama supporters stop with the negative straw man attacks and start talking about Obamas policy positions?

[midnight armadillo]

49. Don't misrepresent my position

I never equated Bush and Clinton policies. I said (quite factually) that members of those two families have been part of the presidency for 28 years. Another 8 years of Clinton would bring that number to 36.

Dynasties are not healthy things for (alleged) democracies.

[noel711]

12. I love the smell of desperation in the morning..

[Larkspur]

15. If Hillary steals the nomination, Obama should REFUSE to be her VP

The Clintons will intentionally isolate him if he takes the VP. All the Clintons want Obama for is as a cash cow. They know that they won't be able to get Obama's supporters to send their $ to her if the succedd in stealing the omination and don't get Obama on the ticket.

[oviedodem]

24. 1000% agree!! They are only doing this to pander to AA's in Miss.

If they steal this election, I hope Obama runs for Illionis Governor and NEVER run for a washington office again.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

16. Does that meant he cheap shots are going to end?

I really (really) don't care which one gets the nomination. But the circular firing squad has got to stop. Soon.

[rodeodance]

18. ah come on BO--just accept it.

[Inuca]

21. Because....? n/t

[whatchamacallit]

31. Bend over, grab your ankles, and accept it

How come Hill and all you haters suddenly think he's good enough to be on the ticket? Before Hillary's desperation play, he was the antichrist to you.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

23. I'm beginning to wonder if the VP float is to make up for the "only had a speech" flap.

Knowing they stepped over the line of party politics, they float the VP idea because it will wash out what they said about Obama's lack of experience. Knowing that a VP slot must be filled by a qualified person, knowing that that argument will be made, they made it.


Too convoluted? :shrug:

[uponit7771]

42. She has to do something, people are very disapointed in her for those remarks that McSame is using..

[BearSquirrel2]

45. She's setting herself up as the "peace-maker"

She's trying to heal her image so now she's trying to cast herself as the "peace-maker". When Obama declines (quite rightfully) to be her running mate she will call him a divider.

[WolverineDG]

25. Too much too little too late

things we should think about before we go negative....

keep dreamin', Hill....

dg

[ProSense]

26. This is desperation on Hillary's part. Her campaign is pushing Rezko

An Obama-Rezko primer

By CHRISTOPHER WILLS, Associated Press Writer
Mon Mar 10, 5:02 AM ET

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has been questioning her rival Sen. Barack Obama's relationship to political donor Tony Rezko, now on trial for fraud — particularly Rezko's involvement in the purchase of Obama's Chicago home. Here's a look at what's going on and what it means:

<...>

Q: What is his relationship to Obama?

A: He's been friendly with Obama for years, even offering him a job after Obama finished law school. Obama turned down the offer, but a political friendship developed. Rezko and his family donated at least $21,457 to Obama — and helped raise tens of thousands more — for his campaigns in Illinois, though not for his presidential bid. He also advised Obama on the purchase of a new Chicago home and, in his wife's name, purchased a vacant lot next to the new Obama home at the same time.

Q: Why is Rezko on trial?

A: Prosecutors allege he tried to shake down companies seeking contracts from Illinois regulatory boards for campaign contributions and payoffs. They say he used his influence with Gov. Rod Blagojevich to get people appointed to the boards and then threatened to have them block contracts unless the companies paid millions of dollars in kickbacks.

Q: What does that have to do with Obama?

A: Nothing. No one has alleged that Obama has anything to do with the charges against Rezko, nor has Obama been charged with any wrongdoing. Obama has donated to charity the money that Rezko donated to his campaigns, as well as money from other Rezko friends and partners, a total of $150,000.

<...>

Q: Does Clinton accuse Obama of any specific misconduct?

A: No. Her campaign suggests there must be something improper in Rezko's involvement but doesn't say what. "If the relationship was aboveboard, why won't Sen. Obama address basic inquiries about it? What is it that he is hiding?" said a spokesman.

Q: Has Obama refused to answer "basic inquiries"?

A: No, but he hasn't been completely open either. For instance, he did not disclose until last month that Rezko actually toured the home with him before the purchase. He also has released the e-mail from the home's seller to only one news organization.

Obama hasn't provided details of the fundraisers Rezko held for him, nor has he released documents related to the property, such as the appraisal of the strip of land he bought from Rezko.

more

What the hell is a "political friendship"? The man was someone Obama knew in political circles. He was not a friend.

AP acknowledges that this ha nothing to do with Obama, but still inserts innuendo that has been debunked over and over: here, here, here and here.

You'll also find the details of numerous shady details about the Clintons, and there is more.

When will Hillary release her tax return?

As for Hillary's VP suggestion, not to, but hell no!

[midnight armadillo]

50. You'd think after Whitewater...

... Clinton would have had her fill of guilt-by-insinuation and baseless character attacks.

My opinion of HRC is sinking daily.

[stillcool]

27. Isn't that "HILARIous? n/t

[whatchamacallit]

28. How 'bout NO?

Anyone this desperate to win will fuck us for sure.

[Upton]

29. This is called, get in the back of the bus

we know we can't win the GE without the black vote, particularly after we steal the nomination.

[bowens43]

30. HIlary is losing yet she thinks she can offer

the candidate who is winning the VP slot????

More evidence that the woman is completely out of her mind. How could anyone even consider her?

[salbi]

32. She can offer anything now and change her mind at the convention

She will do and offer anything to get the nomination. I don't believe she has any intention of actually offering the VP position to Obama. It will be one of her insiders tat she knows she can control.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

33. If this doesn't prove her sense of entitlement, nothing will.

[elixir]

34. Given the current scenario, neither candidate can win. They need a joint ticket to take McCain.

[mtnsnake]

35. I can't believe how y'all buy into this

If Hillary is nominated she's going to have someone with experience as her VP, someone who's not a phony. Most likely it'll be Wesley Clark.

I think Hillary is dropping these hints of a Clinton/Obams ticket only as a ploy, and it's a smart move for her to throw him off like that.

[whatchamacallit]

39. Yeah lies are good...

snake is it?

[Abacus]

36. Not good enough for president, but good enough to help get Hillary elected for president.

20% :eyes:
80% :mad:

[pompano]

37. Yep

Thats all I hear at M$M. The dream ticket, the dream ticket ad nauseum.

Why doesn't she get McCain or her dream ticket? She, afterall, told the world how much more experience McCain had that Obama. If he lacks so much experience why would she want him to begin with?

GAWD that woman has some gall!!!!

I think Obama as more decency than falling for that childish trap. She need him not the other way around. We need a nominee before she tears this party from limb to stern. She is WAY beyond over the top!

[redqueen]

40. This cartoon says it all about that idea:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4951972&mesg_id=4952294

[Dinger]

43. Nice Pic, But I Don't Think This Will Happen, Or Is A Good Idea

Their personal feelings for each other aside, if there is a Dem ticket that lacks (comparatively speaking)
foreign policy, military, diplomatic experience, we will have a very tough time in the GE.
Now mccan't is a full-blooded asshole, and if Hillary Clinton is not the nominee, I will vote for Obama, but you can be assured they will use/claim mccan't's military experience to their distinct advantage.

P.S. THIS IS NOT AN ENDORSEMENT of mccan't!

[theboss]

46. Delete

Double post.

[theboss]

47. I think Huckabee should offer McCain the VP spot on his ticket too

How can the person losing the race make this offer? The arrogance is staggering.

[helderheid]

48. !

:spray:

[knixphan]

51. Two points:

1. Barack's people will remind Dean that HALF of the new, young democratic voters are his.

2. If Hill successfully swindles the nomination from the party, I wholehartedly suggest Barack just go to his senate seat, chill out and stay the hell away from her cancer as it burns itself out of the party.