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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:39 AM
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Corzine And Rendell To Raise 15MM For MI AND FL ReVotes
Thank you for the heads up on this Big Tent Democrat!

The excuses for Barack Obama to object to ReDo primaries in Florida and Michigan are becoming harder and harder to come by. Joining James Carville, Governors Ed Rendell of Pennsylvania and Jon Corzine of New Jersey have offered to raise $15 million for revotes in Florida and Michigan:


http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/10/92633/5189

Gov. Jon S. Corzine of New Jersey and Gov. Edward G. Rendell of Pennsylvania said Sunday that they would be willing to raise half the $30 million it would take to run new contests in those two states. Mr. Corzine and Mr. Rendell submitted their proposal to The Washington Post.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/us/politics/10campaign.html?ei=5088&en=366a57096022f655&ex=1362801600&adxnnl=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&adxnnlx=1205154831-9MDSqyDnhiQ/Q5ZnqUS8nA&pagewanted=print





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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:44 AM
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1. Good for them
Hell, Corzine could fund them out of pocket.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:46 AM
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2. If they do that, then I think the Obama campaign should pay for half of the primary
I'm not comfortable with Hillary's people paying for the whole thing. That seems to open the door to mischief or the perception of mischief.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:48 AM
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3. that's a great idea
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:49 AM
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4. Rendell planning to privatize PA turnpike
there's also that Peter Paul campaign finance scandal involving Rendell and McCLinton
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:51 AM
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5. Soft money folks.
The repubs will hang us with that in the autumn if we fall for this. Bad bad idea.
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tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:52 AM
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7. When has Obama
"rejected" a re-do?

All I've seen is Hillary rejecting a re-do.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:07 AM
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9. All I am talking about is soft money paying for a redo if it happens
Not saying whether anyone is supporting or not.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:43 AM
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12. Remember, it's acuse your opponent of what you do.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:52 AM
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6. Florida can't handle vote by mail - VBM easiest to tamper with of all
in 2004 tens of thousands of absentee by mail ballots "disappeared" or "got lost".

It took Oregon 10 years to develop a VBM system, and that was with the govt managing it.

We can't trust political parties to do something like this - its the least secure method
of voting, and letting partisans control it is insane.

Its likely that miniorities will be the ones whose mail just doesn't get to the right mail box.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:52 AM
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8. How Selfless Of Them, Working For The Good Of The Party
:sarcasm:
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40ozDonkey Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:32 AM
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10. $15 Million now?
Corzine said $30 million yesterday. Typical.
I hope the Clintonistas put up the money, paying an average of $500k per delegate netted is the kind of math that makes Mitt Romney proud.
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:41 AM
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11. Corzine can buy it for her and....
Rendell can strong arm the party in Pa. True democracy at work. This kind of politics as usual is exactly why I'm voting for Obama.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:45 AM
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13. Wait a minute. Obama's campaign has ALWAYS said they would abide by what the DNC approves.
And that includes a revote.


For the writer of the piece in the OP to say:

The excuses for Barack Obama to object to ReDo primaries in Florida and Michigan are becoming harder and harder to come by. Joining James Carville, Governors Ed Rendell of Pennsylvania and Jon Corzine of New Jersey have offered to raise $15 million for revotes in Florida and Michigan..


... is outright lying. And we will not stand for it.



The Obama campaign has ALWAYS said it would support whatever the DNC approves for the state of Florida.


Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki said the Illinois senator would support any fair remedy that meets DNC rules. He's opposed only to allowing the Jan. 29 primary to count.

Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said that the primary should count and that it's too early to begin considering alternatives.



Who is throwing up roadblocks here? Howard Wolfson.







Nelson said Florida doesn't technically need the candidates' approval - if the state holds a binding primary, they essentially would have to participate or risk losing the delegates. "But just think how much easier it is if you have the candidates willing to go along with this, instead of throwing up roadblocks," Nelson said.

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe wouldn't say if the campaign would be willing to contribute to new elections.

"If there are remedies that the DNC approves of ... or an additional contest, we're obviously going to abide by" it, Plouffe said.

He also said the campaigns shouldn't be saddled with trying to negotiate solutions. "We're in a fierce contest. This is something for the DNC and the state parties to arbitrate."





"A revote is just totally unworkable," said Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D- Weston, a Clinton supporter noting that a record 1.7million Florida Democrats voted. "There are no do-overs in elections that went off without a hitch."

But the Obama camp made it clear it would not support seating Florida's delegates based on the Jan. 29 vote.

"Our campaign will support whatever the DNC rules are, including a fair remedy to this problem," said spokeswoman Jen Psaki. "However, allowing Senator Clinton to change the rules and award her the nonexistent delegates when there was no campaign in the state is not the answer."




We must refute the lies spread about the Obama campaign whenever we find them.


In reality, it appears that folks associated with the Clinton campaign, such as Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Clinton's http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=1962">national Campaign Co-Chair and Howard Wolfson, Clinton spokesman, are the people looking for excuses not to have a revote.


Let's just deal with factual reality here.


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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:36 PM
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14. Looks like these Clinton supporters are attempting to *privatize* our election.
Uncomfortable, is it not?


Let's see--Clinton supporters financing our election, with Republicans in charge of running it.... not a good feeling about this development.


What's the latest from Dean on this?




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