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Mon Mar-10-08 12:29 PM
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Obama Just Brilliantly Responded to Clinton's "Offer" of VP |
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Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 01:00 PM by writes3000
It played live on CNN and MSNBC. It was at a town hall in Mississippi.
"I've won twice as many states than Senator Clinton. (huge applause) I've won more of the popular vote than Senator Clinton. (applause) I've won more delegates than Senator Clinton. (applause) Tell me, how is it that the one in second place is offering the VP position to the person in first place. I'm in first place. (huge applause)"
"Make no mistake, I'm not running for Vice President. I'm running for President of the United States of America."
"Back in 1992, Bill Clinton said that the only threshold for a Vice President was that that person had to be ready, if he fell out, to become President on day one. For the last two weeks, their campaign has been claiming that I'm not ready to answer that phone. But now they say I'd make a good VP? They're trying to hoodwink you. They're trying to bamboozle you."
"You ever hear of the Okey doke? (strong laughter) You know the Okey Doke when some one is trying to swindle you (roar of laughter). Well this is like an Okey doke when someone in second place is offering the guy in first place the second place seat (laughter and standing ovation).
He then hammered home his point that you want the person with the best judgment to answer that phone not the person who's been in Washington the longest. "I believe I've shown better judgment than Hillary Clinton. She's gone along with the policies of George Bush..."
Some of the above has been slight paraphrased.
It was awesome!
(Thanks to grantcart for the assist.)
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:31 PM
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1. Neither can reasonably accept a VP spot at this time. |
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Not while the outcome is still in doubt.
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:33 PM
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5. Certainly Hillary more than Obama though |
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:36 PM
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9. I would have agreed until OH, TX and RI. nt |
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:37 PM
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16. You sure you mean Texas, which Obama won? |
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I mean, he did win the delegate total.
Seriously.
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:42 PM
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29. She won the primary election and the caucus. ... |
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... I remind you how big of a deal the O campaign has made of winning "states" however small they are or however unlikely it is that the D.s will win a state in the fall. The popular perception is winning the state = momentum. I hear she's closing the gap in Mississippi. If somehow, she pulls it off (unlikely I know) it will effectively end O's chances.
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:47 PM
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33. Um, she didn't win the Texas caucus |
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Technically, no one has, but Obama is expected to win it 60/40.
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:49 PM
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38. Oh, they're not done? Okay. I miss understood then. nt |
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:55 PM
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40. BTW, look at this electoral projection and tell me again how Obama's wins in red states don't matter |
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:45 PM
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Clinton supporters don't acknowledge caucus results — those only come from "unimportant" states anyway.
Is your state Clinton Approved™?
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:34 PM
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7. So why is she offering it? |
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To the front runner, no less!
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:35 PM
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8. She isn't. She only dangled the possibility in front of a crowd. |
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She was suggesting that if people can't decide, then they might get both with her.
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:37 PM
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17. Odd she would "dangle it"... |
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when he is so "inexperienced".
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:48 PM
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35. Not really. People always vote the top half of the ticket... |
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...(at least until 2000.) There's nothing wrong with having a less experienced candidate as VP. The real danger for a presidential candidate is picking someone who will be better and illustrate the short-comings of the main candidate. That happened in 1988. Frankly, I thought Gore was more qualified than Bill Clinton in 1992.
Anyway, it is a moot point. She'll pick either Clark or Richardson.
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:37 PM
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19. Yes, it's a ploy to get more votes for HRC. nt |
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:44 PM
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:rofl:
I thought the whole idea of an election was to get the most votes.
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:48 PM
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36. I said it's a ploy, not a plot. A ploy is an English word you know. nt |
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:31 PM
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2. interesting that he did not refuse it . . . |
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:32 PM
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3. "I'm not running for Vice President." |
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Pretty much seemed like a refusal to me.
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:36 PM
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10. don't believe so . . . |
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no words of refusal there
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:37 PM
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18. Well, that's how it's being interpreted. n/t |
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:39 PM
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22. yep - I understand that |
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and he is making it clear he is not actively pursuing the VP role now
but he certainly did not say he would refuse it in the future
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:43 PM
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30. He doesn't want to have that conversation because... |
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It would give the edge back to Clinton. It means he's thinking about what happens if/when she wins.
And quite frankly, this "offer" from the Clintons isn't real at all. So why should he address it further.
Could he take a different position down the road? Perhaps. But I really, really doubt it. I do understand your point though.
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Mon Mar-10-08 01:01 PM
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43. I agree with you. Of course it is a ploy by Hillary - one to deflect her being behind. |
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:33 PM
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4. Of course he refused it. He could hardly have been clearer |
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and he went after her in no uncertain terms.
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:36 PM
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14. and exactly where did he say - "I do not want it" |
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he only said he was not running for VP
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:47 PM
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34. Do you need it in triplicate on 20lb paper with a seal? Hello? nt |
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:59 PM
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41. don't be ridiculous - I just do not see where he says |
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"No - I do not want it"
He said he is not running for VP - meaning not actively pursuing it. He never said "NO"
good lord - can we not disagree without getting all huffy
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Mon Mar-10-08 01:09 PM
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48. Were you one of the "Gore didn't say he wasn't running, just that he had no plans" people? |
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Mon Mar-10-08 02:40 PM
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:39 PM
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24. You've got to understand - message transmographication is all the rage on DU |
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and 1 + 1 = 3, while they're at it.
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:34 PM
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6. I'm glad he brought up the bamboozling rhetoric. I HATE when Bushes and Clintons depend |
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on that type of twisting and spinning as it shows no respect for the intelligence of their audience.
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:39 PM
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23. I love when he uses that "hoodwink, bamboozle" line it shows his critics as jerks. |
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:49 PM
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39. Exactly - I want a NEW POLITICS where people stop GAMING the audiences and instead |
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speak to them as CITIZENS deserving of the truth.
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:36 PM
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11. He is sooooo good! nt |
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:36 PM
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:36 PM
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13. excellent transcription job |
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My favorite line and a line that will be frequently repeated is the one that said something like, "You ever hear of the Okey doke? (strong laughter) You know the Okey Doke when some one is trying to swindle you (roar of laughter). Well this is like an Okey doke when someone in second place is offering the guy in first place the second place seat (laughter and standing ovation).
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:40 PM
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26. I just added this. Hope you don't mind. I laughed when he said it. |
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But couldn't get the phrasing right.
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Mon Mar-10-08 01:04 PM
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46. you got a lot more than I did and my Okey doke wasn't literal but |
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it got the phrase in. I am begining to think that these guys are holding Obama back because even though he is so good if he is no the news everynight people get used to it. Then they bring him out after a few days and its so refreshing and funny.
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Mon Mar-10-08 01:11 PM
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49. Yep and I think the public is starting to sour on Hillary's constant negativism. |
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I've been wanting to see him in front of crowds again. I'm glad he waited for that occasion to respond.
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:37 PM
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:39 PM
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That's what you call "being unambiguous."
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:39 PM
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25. No one is saying he'd make a good VP. |
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That's just a compromise position for 16 years of Democrats in office. But if Obama only wants 4 or 8, have at it.
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:42 PM
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Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 12:42 PM by theredpen
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So no one is saying that Obama would be a good VP, but Clinton is picking him anyway? Because there aren't any other Democrats who'd make a good VP?
:rofl:
Does it hurt to twist your brain into positions like that?
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Mon Mar-10-08 01:12 PM
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50. He needs training. Clinton would choose him for his popularity only. |
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He's popular, which doesn't necessarily translate into qualified. Can you twist your brain into that, or does it hurt too much?
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Mon Mar-10-08 01:22 PM
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54. He has more experience in national office than Bill Clinton did in 1992 |
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I don't have any problem understanding that popular doesn't necessarily translated into qualified.
Wasn't it Bill Clinton (who has fewer qualifications than GHW Bush) the one who said the only qualification you needed to be President was to be elected to the office?
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Tue Mar-11-08 12:22 AM
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63. But aren't VPs supposed to be able to handle the presidency at a moment's notice? |
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Mon Mar-10-08 01:00 PM
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42. So Clinton would imperil the nation by choosing a poor VP solely for political gain? |
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Mon Mar-10-08 01:59 PM
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56. No thats only to appease Obama Supporters.Wes Clarke is the best qualified |
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Mon Mar-10-08 02:22 PM
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60. and that makes the point that she's not doing what's best for the country |
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She's just trying to collect Obama voters for her own gain.
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:41 PM
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27. Obama's got his verbal jiu-jitsu back! |
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One of his most effective jiu-jitsu throws I've seen is when he deconstructs his opponent's arguments.
Like here. He disassembled Clinton's offer of VP to him, noted that it was inconsistent with her assertion he wasn't ready to be President (if he isn't ready, why would she offer him the VP slot?) and told the audience directly what she was really doing - bamboozling.
Same thing when he deconstructed Clinton's mockery of his message of hope, using lines about how they would have him stew in the Beltway, cook all the hope out of him - told the audience what they really said - a message of disrespect to the people and the very idea of hope, replacing that hope with cynicism.
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Mon Mar-10-08 12:48 PM
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:rofl:
Man she looks like even more of an idiot now.
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Mon Mar-10-08 01:02 PM
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44. This will dominate the political news cycle for the day.... See the smoke coming out of Hillary? |
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Mon Mar-10-08 01:04 PM
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"Make no mistake, I'm not running for Vice President. I'm running for President of the United States of America."
Lovin it.
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I'm sure he's received a lot of advice on how to respond. I've written saying that he needs to come out and say that his nomination can only be taken away by blowing up the party, which the DLC would not mind. But the "bamboozle" word is good--it cannotes duplicity and deception. Which is what HRC is all about right now.
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Mon Mar-10-08 01:14 PM
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52. I see a crowd with pitch forks, brooms and torches headed to the Frankinclinton castle. |
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The pimp monster is going down.
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Mon Mar-10-08 02:02 PM
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58. Bad choice of words.Think about it. |
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Mon Mar-10-08 01:52 PM
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55. Here is the youtube footage |
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Mon Mar-10-08 01:59 PM
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57. Brilliant and Obama don't belong in the same sentence. |
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Mon Mar-10-08 02:03 PM
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59. For the last two weeks, their campaign has been claiming that I'm not ready to answer that phone. " |
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"But now they say I'd make a good VP?"
:rofl:
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Tue Mar-11-08 12:21 AM
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62. Cool. Now she can smile, shrug. and say she offered. |
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I wonder who she will pick instead?
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