This has got to be said. The joy of someObama fans at the problems of Gov. Spitzer

[saracat]

is disgusting and goes to prove than contrary to their protestations they are not loyal to most Dems. They don't care who gets taken done and express no sorrow about the fate of a prominent member of their party.Obama is the only one that counts for them.All Democrats should be concerned with the fate of Eliot Spitzer who has fought for all of us. I do not know the details of this story but whatever the situation, I am sorrowed.

[redqueen]

1. Sorrowed?

Really?

After all that's already gone on with respect to the more rabid fans of whichever candidate trashing whoever supports the one that isn't their candidate... and this is what makes you sorrowful? People heaping scorn on a crooked guy?

Sheesh.

[Fredda Weinberg]

2. Who said anything about crooked? n/t

[redqueen]

15. The guy had his hand in the high-end call girl cookie jar.

What do you call that? Straight?

[Fredda Weinberg]

44. If that's it, honestly, except for the crime family connection, I don't care n/t

[TwilightGardener]

53. I guess we're supposed to rally around him??? WTF?

:shrug:

edit to add: of course he's crooked!

[JVS]

142. We rallied around Bill. Why not him?

Go whoremonger!

[Lucinda]

65. Someone made an allegation and he hasn't even responded yet.

He may be guilty, but we have no evidence of it at this time.

[redqueen]

66. Based on what he said to his staff,

he's not going to hold the press conference to say, "this is all lies, and I'll prove it."

I hope that's the case, though. That'd be the best outcome for all involved.

[Lucinda]

84. It's all alleged until he speaks or it's proved. Including what he did or didn't say to his staff.

Like I said, it may be true, but we have no idea yet.

[Redbear]

69. He was receiving money?

From what I saw he was just a client

[redqueen]

72. I hope he was just a client.

The way I read it, it's a lot more damaging than that. They don't normally say someone who solicits prostitutes is "involved in a ring".

Just being a client... pff... that's hardly news.

[saracat]

13. "crooked" No one has said he was 'crooked". You prove my point.

Some Obama fans have no no business being "holier than thou".Obviously they are NOT above the fray and neither is their candidate.

[redqueen]

24. What?

Is Obama having a press conference to say he was involved in a prostitution ring?

What are you saying, that we can't say anything bad about anyone's actions, cause we aren't Jesus Christ?

:wtf:

[joeybee12]

108. It's called gloating and it's sick...

...so knock it the fuck off!

[redqueen]

109. I'm gloating? Where?

This is nothing new.

Jesus, the hyperventilation around here...

[Tom Rinaldo]

21. This is not joyful news no matter how it is looked at

It is bad for the Democratic Party period, as well as being bad for Elliot Spitzer. Spitzer was once a very popular Democrat on DU for all the work he did fighting corporate corruption on Wall Street.

The fact that as the Democratic Governor of New York State Spitzer endorsed the Democratic Senator of New York State who is running for President is the most trivial aspect of this depressing news.

[redqueen]

33. It's just news.

How one receives it is up to the individual. I don't see how this is any worse than any of the other outrages du jour that have gone on before now.




It's true he was popular for the work he did. Looks like he got greedy. Oh well.

[roguevalley]

67. this is awful but men in public life better get it. no one and nothing

is safe. get your pee-pee in your pants and leave it there.

[charlie]

95. No kidding

These scandals are just so... dreary. Same old story, replayed over and over. Horndog chucks his career, upends his staff and subordinates, puts his wife and family through hell, and endures embarassment and scorn, and for what? For a few minutes of rutting. The sheer willful boneheadedness of these guys is boggling.

[Zuiderelle]

104. It's sorrowful that such a good man who did so much good and had the potential for so much more

did a very stupid and criminal thing. This was someone who fought for what WE believe in. How is it not sorrowful that he has turned out not to be capable of following through on his ideals. It sucks something awful actually.

[redqueen]

112. I don't find this too sorrowful, sorry. ***IF*** any of these allegations are true,

then he fucked himself over and I just don't have a whole lot of pity for someone with all that power and money going after more.

It's too bad, yes. It's unfortunate. Sorrowful? Even the fucking standard romper room bullshit in this forum... even THAT doesn't come anywhere close to what I would call 'sorrowful'.

I think this shit here is a bunch of romper room bullshit + over-the-top melodramatic "oh y'all are so AWFUL!" crap.

Just laughable, really... the drama. :eyes:

[Zuiderelle]

119. Wow, you really don't understand. Here's a great democrat, a progressive, someone who has done a

lot of good, and is a good representative for us. I'm very sorry that he fucked it up, and that now such a great person no longer exists.

That fucking sucks. And it's sorrowful. Hardly laughable.

I didn't start this thread, by the way. I guess you're just offended by my avatar? That's pretty funny.

[redqueen]

121. No, I'm not offended by your avatar.

Just the moralistic grandstanding that goes on here all the flippin time.

I'm sorry that IF these allegations are true, that he fucked it up for himself and those he helped.

That's about as much sorrow as I can muster.

[Zuiderelle]

123. Well, there you go then. We agree.

[RandomKoolzip]

3. The fewer Dems to get caught in scandals, the better, I say.

No matter which candidate you support.

Having said that, there's amany, many larger issues to be disgusted about, doncha think?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. I assume you've never said anything about Rezko?

:shrug:

[MadBadger]

17. Giddy Hilldog supporters who cant wait for more Rezko info.

[saracat]

23. But I don't claim to be "above the fray".And Rezko is about corruption, not morality.

[MadBadger]

31. Do these people who you claim are expessing joy, claim to above the fray?

if that defense works for you, it works for them too

[saracat]

51. I do not claim to be "above the fray" but they do ALL the time. Continually.

I do not claim to be a Democrat who any longer votes for just the "D" after a name. They accuse others on a regular basis of being disloyal Dems for criticising Obama. They have called Hillary a "taitor " to the party not jus for her McCain remarks but for continuing to run her campain. I am not the hypocrite.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

37. I hope you're not claiming to be above hypocrisy.

[MadBadger]

38. Oh, and it appears there may be corruption involved as well.

[redqueen]

42. "corruption, not morality"

:wtf:

[Tarheel_Dem]

80. let's see how Sen. Clinton handles this?

I'm sure her campaign coffers runneth over with prostitution money. You guys have slung filth around here for a year now, trying to link Obama with Rezko's legal troubles. Doesn't feel so good now does it?

You don't need to worry about us so much, just think what the press is going to do with this. Anything involving sex & money gets 24/7 coverage, and the fact that he's connected with the Clinton campaign won't be lost on the media.

[AndyA]

5. You're right, saracat.

And Obama supporters don't understand why people see them as some sort of crazy cult. :shrug:

When everything that happens, related or not, becomes a source of pleasure or displeasure for the supporters, it's a cult.

[Ian David]

6. Some. Not all. I'm not at all happy about this. There are bigger issues at stake here. n/t

[Tarc]

7. Wish I could said I'm surprised, but...

:shrug:

Some of the people around here are swill lately.

[scheming daemons]

8. Bad apples need to leave the party.... Spitzer was a bad apple.... he dug his own political grave...

we didn't do it to him.


If you love the Democratic party, then you want to rid it of politicians who break the law.

[Pisces]

9. Your sorrow is misplaced. There are a lo of young women who need it.

Maybe the use of women for sex doesn't concern you? It does me. Yes I am an Obama fan, and do not praise Spitzers demize to raise up Obama. But I am not going to feel sorry for him if he was involved in this situation.

[ellacott]

30. Very true

His use and degradation of women prevents me from being sorry for him.

[redqueen]

46. Very well said!

I'm all for legalized prostitution... but making huge sums of money off of women who are so easily taken advantage of due to there being no regulations at all on that industry... bleh.

[Tarheel_Dem]

85. Brilliantly articulated...

and welcome to DU Pisces. This is going to be nasty. Wall to wall television exposure for God knows how long.

We didn't need this right now.

[Fox Mulder]

122. Agreed.

[joshcryer]

156. Well I for one consider sex workers a legitimate practice.

I know that our puritian system bans sex workers from getting a good working environment (except when it concerns the higher level people), that doesn't make it a black and white scenario.

[cali]

10. I hope no one's doing that

this is horrible for dems, and I once thought highly of Spitzer- though not recently.

[seabeyond]

49. i am confused here. and i respect you. if this is true, we are suppose to SUPPORT him?

because honestly, i dont have a lot of respect for men who uses womens body to sell to another man to make the dollar.

i know in all our liberalism we are suppose to admire the sex trade, ... industry, job, whore, prostitution, whatever... but i dont have a lot of respect for this end of the business

so because he is a dem, breaking the law, and hurting his family (admittedly an assumtion)and the dem party and people who voted for him, is it being suggested that i support and feel sorry for this man?

i dont get it. not in my lifetime.

on edit: the way they said involved in a prostitute ring i thought they were suggesting he ran a prostitute ring, not htat he just used a prostitute. used a prositute, not good but outrage turns to.... oh well you fucked up. misread

[cali]

89. No, no, no. I don't

condone his involvement with a Prostitution ring, but it's not good news for dems- it sucks all the air out of the room and pukes will make hay out of this. Like you, I don't much like the sex business, but I once admired Spitzer and it's sad to see him go down in flames.

[seabeyond]

139. thanks. i am glad to hear. was a tad concerned. hillary has nothing to do with this

pisses me off a dem, especially in that kinda position would do something so stupid, and why.... pisses me off it is reflective of the dems. i feel nothing for him, knew nothing about him. but.... in perspective, the criminal behavior has been by and far repugs. so though it is a poor reflection still, we have to figure sometime we are going ot have the corupt or criminal elected official. but a fuckin prostitute ring, makes no sense as far as choice of criminality. just odd for someone in his position

certainly not gonna feel any kind of sympathy or remorse for him

[Mz Pip]

11. I'm disappointed in Spitzer

I had high hopes for him and his political future. I don't care if he supported Hillary or Obama. It's just a terrible turn of events for New York Democrats and Democrats in general

[elfin]

12. The only political sorrow I have it that Obama's terrific reply to the

ludicrous Clinton trial balloon of VP will not be the headline in the political shows.

Plus, I always feel bad for the family of the straying spouse when it becomes so public.

[redqueen]

50. Did he sleep with a call girl, or is he involved in the ring?

I thought it was the latter.

If it's the former, eh... personal matter.

[Bolo Boffin]

14. As if the manic Hillary fans wouldn't be pouncing with glee if Spitzer was supporting Obama.

:eyes:

Spitzer appears to have hired a prostitute and gotten caught. That is the extent of his "involvement."

[ProSense]

16. You're such a hypocrite. You've been wishing and hoping for Obama to be indicted over bogus Rezko

Hypocrite!

[saracat]

26. I don't pretend to be otherwise.I am simply returning the lecture!

I am not the hypocrite.

[ProSense]

41. You are a hypocrite. You cannot take joy in the thought that Obama will be indicted and

then accuse others of being disgusting for their reaction to a breaking (and real) scandal.

This is not only hypocritical, it's opportunistic grandstanding.

[redqueen]

60. Apparently it's different, cause this involves sex?

:shrug:

[JI7]

135. it's about Eliot prosecuting others for what he has got himself

involved in.

[WolverineDG]

18. Excuse me?

I'm supposed to be loyal to a high-ranking Dem who has now admitted ties to a prostitution ring? I thought only Republicans do that....

I'm sure he's fought for all of us, but if he broke the law, he should face the consequences.

dg

[Catherina]

48. Rules and laws don't apply in Hillaryland

Not even when women and children are being killed, exploited are abused.

[Joe the Revelator]

19. Only a Hillary supporter would condone what Spritzer has done

Way to go saracat!

[Tom Rinaldo]

39. Why has this depressing news become grist for the Presidential primary wars?

No matter what you think of Spitzer now (and we have not details about the accusation) a lot of people once wanted him to run for President himself some day because as NYS AG Spitzer took on corruption on Wall Street when the Bush Administration refused to, and won.

This has nothing to do with Clinton vs Obama. It is a sad day for Democrats.

[chimpymustgo]

111. Thank you, Tom. The reaction by some on this board is very telling. Spitzer has been a HERO on

board. This is very sad and unfortunate. Absolutely NO cause for glee.

[krawhitham]

Stop the spin

Spitzer fucked up and should be ran out of dodge, by both sides

Prostitution should not even be illegal (what a woman does with her body should not be up to others to say), but it is and he knew it.

[grantcart]

20. I've seen everything now 23 minutes into a breaking scandal

we are told we have to have sympathy for a full blown blazing hypocrite.

Let the guy resign first. I have no sympathy for him. I am very sad for his family they are the ones that pay for this type of

conduct. They are the ones that always pay the most.

[DangerousRhythm]

93. Exactly.

He has a wife and three (approximately) teenaged daughters. Those poor girls...

[geek tragedy]

22. Saracat with another sanctimonious scolding of Obama supporters.

And in similar news, the sun rose in the East.

[woolldog]

36. haha

I've noticed that too.

It's almost as if she's channeling my mother with those scoldings.

[geek tragedy]

55. She's probably got one hand on her hip and the other

wagging her finger at us.

[donheld]

62. Yup, another saracat scolding

another day another scolding.

[NanBo]

133. I've noticed the same

"This needs to be said" as if it comes from on high. I don't get that. No, we would all be fine if it hadn't have been said but whatever makes some people feel important.

[seabeyond]

25. a man involved in prostitution, leader of community, family children, no feeling sorry

for. he made his choices. because someone is a dem, breaks the laws, hurt others (at least his family) i am suppose to be sorry and supportive.

not even

criminal. prosecute and get out of gov. i want another dem in. but he failed. let people down. ethics and moral. he wons. he suffers repercussion

this is IF the story is true. but to suggest we are suppose to support him because he is a dem.... NOT

how stupid he was

on edit: the way they said involved in a prostitute ring i thought they were suggesting he ran a prostitute ring, not htat he just used a prostitute. used a prositute, not good but outrage turns to.... oh well you fucked up. misread

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

27. No joy.

We're (I'm) existentially opposed to hypocrisy.

[godai]

28. There's no link to the Clintons, as far as I know n/t

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

47. Except for the Spitzer part.

And the NY part.
And the supporter part.
And the SD part.
And the friend part.

Other than that...


There is a connection. I'm more worried about the tarring of the Dem Party than Clinton's campaign. The Clinton angle is secondary. Although it is a fact.

[democrattotheend]

88. Me too...worried about the impact on the Democratic Party

This makes the whole party look bad. Especially someone like Spitzer who had a reputation as a corruption fighter. Really a sad day for everyone.

[fedupinBushcountry]

29. Well this Obama supporter

and born and raised New Yorker does not include myself and I'm sure that goes for the majority of Obama supporters. I will call them out on it too. This is just shocking news, I am really saddened by it. I will wait to hear what he has to say .

[FrenchieCat]

32. I will say that if spitzer wasn't satisfied with his wife,

he should have divorced her.

That's what I say about all men or women who cheat on their wives.

period.

Glee? No, I don't have any.

[anigbrowl]

68. It's not that he cheated - he has admitted involvement in a prostitution ring

http://apnews.myway.com//article/20080310/D8VANVHG0.html

[redqueen]

81. How fucking pathetic is it that people are blurting out opinions without know what the fuck they're

even talking about?

:banghead:

[Medusa]

34. I'm an Obama girl but I take no glee in seeing Spitzer in this situation

he was a rising star within our party. It's unfortunate to say the least.

[DefenseLawyer]

35. Party loyalty only goes so far.

If the guy fucked up he fucked up, regardless of his character or his prior good works. If you are making a name for yourself as a crime fighter, including going after prostitution, and you are at the same time breaking the law (however stupid I might think that law to be) by soliciting a prostitute, I'm sorry, but people are going to have a problem with that. Hard to spin it otherwise without looking foolish.

[Johnny__Motown]

40. and you seem to be willing to overlook corruption if it favors your candidate

Nobody wants to see Spitzer hurt. But if he did the crime he needs to do the time (so to speak)

[EmilyAnne]

43. Count me out. It makes me sad and I don't think it should reflect at all on Hillary Clinton.

She's done nothing wrong in relation to Spitzer. This is just silly, sad and unfortunate all mixed up. Leave Hillary alone about this. She's already been publicly humiliated by the sexual exploits of another man she admired (Bill) and I think criticism off her on this matter should be off limits.

[seabeyond]

61. it absolutely doesnt reflect on hillary. and further, think it is stupid to expect her to renounce

as some may suggest.

[ieoeja]

45. Ditto the joy of Hillary at the problems of Gov. Blagojevich.

Rezko is accused of illegal dealings while working with the Democratic Governor of Illinois, not while working with Obama years earlier. But that hasn't stopped Hillary -- herself, not just her fans at DU -- from trying to link the two.

At least in this case it is only some idiots on DU instead of Obama himself talking shit.

[Auntie Bush]

52. Me too!

And the corp media will be all over this. I don't want to even watch the news tonight. Oh goodie! I just remembered my son is coning for dinner and we'll have a good excuse to turn it off.

[NorthernSpy]

54. Do you have ANY idea how absurd this sounds coming from you?

I wouldn't say this of all Hillary supporters, but I will say this of you, saracat. If Spitzer were an Obama man, there's not the shadow of a doubt in my mind that you'd be busy emptying the knife drawer into his back yourself.

[JimGinPA]

56. I'm A Fan Of The St. Louis Cardinals - I'm A Supporter Of Barack Obama...

Maybe you're a fan of Hillary Clinton, I don't know. I do know if he's involved (from what they report he's advised his senior staff he is) in a victimless crime that causes him embarrassment, it's my perogative to find humor in his discomfort. Considering all the faux outrage over a champion of human rights being eviscerated last week for having let slip the word "monster" in reference to someone I consider a "dirty politician", I don't feel the least bit of remorse. I hope it brings her discomfort too. Karma.

[Shakespeare]

57. I agree. This has nothing to do with Hillary, and is a very bad day for us all.

One of our heroes fighting against corporate corruption has taken a hard fall today. NOBODY should look at that as an opportunity to snark about the primaries.

I'm stunned and upset (about Spitzer).

[tishaLA]

58. I agree with you

This is terrible news. And I'm an Obama supporter, but a Democrat first.

[Window]

59. I'm glad you said "some" Obama supporters.

I am an Obama supporter and I'm deeply saddened about Spitzer. I really thought he was one of the good guys.

[Tropics_Dude83]

63. I take no joy in this

But this does raise troubling questions about NY being a cespool of corruption and Senator Clinton is an integral if not the key member of the NY political establishment.

[anigbrowl]

64. Saracat, you find just about everything 'disgusting'

Maybe if you spent less time guilt-tripping people and talking about how disgusting they are you'd have a more receptive audience.

It seems Spitzer in trouble not for just visiting a prostitute or suchlike but because he is involved in running a prostitution ring. I have no problem with prostitution on a moral level, but running a prostitution business is usually seen as on the borderline of organized crime. Spitzer has also brought charges against prostitution rings in the past - now we have to ask if those charges were motivated by the public interest or as a way to shut down competitors.

If these allegations are true, then Spitzer is guilty of major corruption and I am not willing to stand up for that no matter how long he has been a member of the Democratic party. Elevating loyalty over integrity or competence is exactly what is wrong with the Bush administration and indeed I think this has been a problem for at least one of the dem. candidates' campaigns.

You say you don't even know the details of the story. That's the most pathetic part - even though you could find out in 2 minutes by simply going to a news site and reading up on it, you instead use the occasion to preach about how 'disgusting' some people are and chastise them for their lack of loyalty. Seems like you value conformity and ignorance more than integrity and awareness.

[seabeyond]

70. he is involved in running a prostitution ring... outrage rising agian. lol people on this thread

had me believing it was just about using one. i thought originally it was running one. so then i tone outrage to oh well he pays, with using. but he fuckin ran a stupid ass prost ring while gov. get his f*in ass. lordy.... why empathy? back to my outrage

[anigbrowl]

91. The extent of his involvement isn't clear...

but given the kind of international business that it is, and the fact that he's prosecuted businesses of this sort when he was attorney general, even patronage of such a business amounts to a quiet endorsement of it.

My point is to contrast the business angle with, say, having some kind of relationship with an individual prostitute. That would be embarrassing, but ultimately a private thing that I'd say was between him and his family.

[spoony]

78. Can you honestly look at GDP and not

find a great deal to be disgusted about?

[anigbrowl]

97. Sure...but I can disagree with or ignore most of that stuff

I don't post regular diatribes about how disgusting other posters are. In this case, I'm responding because I take exception to the idea that party loyalty should could for more than integrity in public office. I hope Spitzer will resign, and fast; not because I dislike him but because I don't want the Republicans to be able to use him as an example 'What Democrats Do in Office' during an election season.

I certainl;y haven't been expressing joy over the fact and frankly haven't seen anyone else doing so either.

[grasswire]

83. where is the evidence?

You say this to saracat: "It seems Spitzer in trouble not for just visiting a prostitute or suchlike but because he is involved in running a prostitution ring. I have no problem with prostitution on a moral level, but running a prostitution business is usually seen as on the borderline of organized crime."

And then you chide her here: "You say you don't even know the details of the story."

Where is your evidence that Spitzer is running a prostitution ring?

POST IT.

[anigbrowl]

94. If not an author, he has certainly been an enabler of it.

http://apnews.myway.com//article/20080310/D8VANVHG0.html

[saracat]

124. Interesting . You don't apply that standard to Obama fans who tell folks they aren't "real "

Dems or "are disloyal to the party if anything is said about Obama".No insistence is made that they read any of the investigative journalism in the Dallas Observer or the Chicago Times when charges are brought up about Obama. Any reporter who investigates him is called a partisan "hack". Funny how it doesn't appear to be in the "public interest' to ask questions about Obama but it is about others. I would say the one who values "conformity and ignorance more than integrity and awareness" it not me. I was only pointing out the double standard being applied. I made no defense of Spitzer. I expressed sorrow that any Dem who has contributed so much should be brought down. I am sorry he did what he did.

[DemBones DemBones]

71. JFK used callgirls, FDR died with his mistress at his side,

his wife far away, RFK, LBJ, and MLK were also notorious womanizers. Lady Bird is said to have caught Lyndon screwing a woman in a room off the Oval Office (that room seems to get a lot of action) and one of JFK's mistresses said they did it on top of his desk in the Oval Office.

None of it's right, none of it's moral, but keep it in perspective, consider the men's accomplishments out of the sack. Spitzer is neither the first nor the last. Kissinger said "Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac," meaning "You can be an ugly old putz like me and vomen vill gladly have sex with you if you have power like I do."

[redqueen]

79. The allegation is not that he solicited a prostitute.

He was "involved in a ring"... does that sound like the charge against your run-of-the-mill John to you?

:think:

[Lucky 13]

73. I NEVER want to see a Democrat taken down...

... unless he/she has done something illegal. Then it is our DUTY to take them down ourselves if necessary.

It's the Republicans response to look the other way, or lapse into massive denial, or come out with statements in support of their slimy criminals. We cannot do that. We must face the problems head on. Find the corrupt members of our party, and expunge them. No excuses. No cover ups. No softening the truth. It's the only way we can have credibility or moral superiority over the Rethuglicans.

I have no "sorrow" for any public figure who breaks the law... I have disappointment and regret. It's a blatant abuse of public trust. Just get them out of power and out of my party.

Involved in a prostitution ring while in office? Is there anything dumber than that? Maybe Marion Barry's crack video. He has put the Democratic party, the state of new york, and the people in an embarrasing position and deserves whatever ridicule comes from it. And there will be plenty.

Instead of slamming Obama supporters for denouncing or making fun of Spitzer, one could say that this just means Hillary supporters tolerate hypocricy and corruption better than the Obama folks and enable this kind of behavior.

[anigbrowl]

101. Well put. /nt

[akbacchus_BC]

132. Welcome to DU. Excellent post but I am still disappointed. I am

just hoping that he is not involved in a 'prostitution ring' as being claimed and that it was a one-time thing with an individual, which, hopefully should blow away. He is a great Governor and worked really hard for the party. Not good for the Democratic party and it does not matter whether he supports either Senators. I will not bash the Governor am just sad.

[TayTay]

74. I am sorry for you

In many ways you have become the thing you said you hated. This is sad beyond words.

[jenmito]

75. I have no joy over this. It's taking away from the coverage of Obama calling out the Clintons

about their floating the idea of having him on HER ticket.

[CyberPieHole]

76. On the nose, saracat.

I feel sorry for his family who have to endure the shame and embarrassment their loved one has wrought. Spitzer was seen as a great crime~fighter. It's sad all the way around.

:kick: and rec

[JackORoses]

77. You don't know the details, yet you feel compelled to comment

Is Hillary a Pimp, too?
Inquiring minds want to know...

[OzarkDem]

82. Of course they're not Dems

Anyone who spends more than 5 minutes in this forum can figure that out. There are a few long time DU'ers who have gotten caught up in Obamamania and Dem - hating, they're just making fools of themselves.

But most are right wing disruptors. They're only being tolerated at DU because they support Obama.

[democrattotheend]

92. My username is democrattotheend, I give money to the DNC every month...

I work at an organization that helps get Democrats elected, I'm active with my local Young Dems chapter, and I've spent hours and hours canvassing on behalf of Democratic candidates at all levels of government.

But no, I'm not a Democrat. Just an Obamamaniac, right?

[democrattotheend]

86. I'm pretty disappointed about it

Spitzer did so many good things as AG, and he had so much potential...this is really disappointing to me. I don't see why Obama supporters would be excited about it...other than HRC possibly losing 1 superdelegate, it doesn't really mean much for the presidential race. Clinton just happens to represent the same states as Spitzer...doesn't mean she had anything to do with this.

[TheZug]

87. Get off your frikking high horse. The thought police, at it again.

http://iwillwalkaway.blogspot.com

[MonkeyFunk]

90. It is disgusting

but not unexpected.

These people aren't Democrats.

[ronnykmarshall]

103. I've already added three to my ignore list ...

since the hide thread option isn't working.

[MonkeyFunk]

106. it's just sickening

Some of these folk are just vile, vicious people.

[Alizaryn]

96. I AM voting for Obama, will NOT vote for

Clinton and WOULD vote for Spitzer again. He has so much to offer our state, I hope he survives this!

[SeattleGirl]

98. You won't see me celebrating, saracat. n/t

[ProSense]

99. Misogyny, exploitation of women, white patriarchy...where is the outrage? n/t

[shimmergal]

100. Please, downchain posters, be

a little more careful with word choices.

"Involved with a prostitution ring" means something different from "he had paid sex with a prostitute," morally sleazy though the latter may be.

And what are all these calls for Spitzer to be prosecuted and "do the time?" As far as I know, the worst penalty usually applied to a prostitute's customers is public exposure, perhaps a fine, and/or having to attend "John school," which is sort of like traffic school is for minor traffic offenders. (Just saying What Is, not necessarily What Should Be.)

Why these calls for Spitzer to be prosecuted and serve time? Is supporting Hillary now an offense that deserves a prison sentence? This is crazy!

[rodeodance]

102. yes, sad day for him. his family , New York and for the Dem Party.

[VotesForWomen]

105. yep; their "holier than thou" routine got old a long time ago. nt

[newfie4]

107. This is bad for the whole party...but what do they care. They only care about Saint Obama

[cottonseed]

110. How is this an Obama/Hillary thing?

I've seen the news. I feel terrible for Spitzer. I think the news blazing "prostitution ring" instead of "escort service" is wrong. When I first saw this news this morning I made no connection to the candidates already and felt sad that Spitzer looks like he'll be taken down.

I'm supporting Obama, but I don't see what led you to immediately use this to bash Obama backers.

[redqueen]

113. It's not... it's just standard Romper Room bullshit...

except it's only blindly partisan people who could possibly believe that the Romper Room bullshit is something "their" side is less guilty of.

Fucking melodrama. ENOUGH.

[smiley_glad_hands]

114. I agree.

And I am an Obama supporter and I encourage my fellow obama supporters to not take this path. It is one where only the likes of rove visit.

[sniffa]

115. Level 2 sucks

[Eurobabe]

126. Yeah 150+ assholes have come back to haunt me. n/t

[Bread and Circus]

116. All I know is that Clinton and her gang of goons have tried to smear

Obama and have tried to ruin his reputation based on character.

Frankly, I don't care if Spitzer is in to hookers.

However, just because he's a Dem doesn't mean he's above the law or rules of decency.

Cheating on your wife is just a low, shitty thing to do. Being a Dem is not cover for that.

[AtomicKitten]

120. *

:thumbsup:

[emilyg]

117. Thank you.

[snooper2]

118. Spitzer = Larry Craig...

They should get the same treatment...

[Eurobabe]

125. My disgust has absolutely nothing to do with Clinton, I am disgusted with Eliot!

What the FUCK was he thinking? I don't care for adulterers. I feel no need to apologize for my feelings.

[stevenleser]

127. Since no one is doing this, I would have to say

thou dost protest too much methinks

[saracat]

128. No one is doing this?Are you kidding? Wow. You must not read DU.

Posts about karma , posts about hoping Clinton loses a super delegate etc etc.....

[akbacchus_BC]

134. You are really blowing this out of proportion regarding Senator Obama's supporters. Most of them

are more concerned about the reputation of the Governor and the Democratic party. Some may have no tolerance for adultery and that is their right. Some of Senator Clinton's supporters are just goading you on, have fun with that!

[jeffrey_X]

129. Where is the joy???

what the fuck are you talking about?

[Major Hogwash]

130. I'm more concerned who clients #1 thru #8 are. Spitzer is #9.

They said that this ring operated out of Washington DC, New York City, and Miami.

I hope the rest are Republicans.

[SKKY]

131. You know, I'm just glad that it's a "good old-fashioned" scandal...

...not something with airport bathrooms, 16 year-old boys, and gay man-sex all over the place by people who claim that homosexuality is a sin worth condemnation in hell. I know it doesn't make his indiscretions any better, but to me, there is a difference.

[JI7]

136. REZKO REZKO REZKO

Clinton people have been all over that including yourself.

[saracat]

137. And I still will be. I do not deny it and pretend otherwise.

[JI7]

138. do you ever read the things you post ?

especially your attacks and accusations against others considering the things you have said.

[NobleCynic]

147. Wait. What?

How the hell do you reconcile this with your initial post?

[JerseygirlCT]

140. I'm sad, too. And pissed.

I'm sad for the people of NY, who expected far better from him. I'm sad for his family, who deserved far better from him.

I'm pissed at him, for thinking someone he was above the law he'd seemed to be so dedicated to preserving... It's a loss, and a shame, but really he's only got himself to blame.

[eilen]

141. From an Obama supporting NY'er,

I don't have joy at this turn of events. I am sad for Spitzer's family and pissed at him for most likely screwing up the changing tide to a Democrat majority in the legislature. I started out totally stunned because never in a million years would I have expected to hear this kind of news about him.

[ScreamingMeemie]

143. You know what's more disgusting?

How obtuse I was to the fact that, by stating my opinion on the issue, I was apparently participating in some twisted, sick primary game being played by the supporters of both candidates. It's sickening. I am disgusted with Mr. Spitzer, but that doesn't make me an Obama supporter. Newsflash--it doesn't make me a Clinton supporter either. I am equally unimpressed by them both, mostly due to the absolutely ridiculous behavior by some of the (louder) supporters of them both.

Thank you, I'm going to send off another check to a local Dem candidate now, seeing as the National candidates aren't worth it.

[gristy]

144. linky link?

You can copy the link to individual posts by clicking on the specific post at the top of the thread and then copying the address that shows up on top of the window. I'm very curious as to how many individuals expressed "joy".

[bagimin]

145. I find no joy in Spitzer's

Republican like gall and hipocracy.

[NobleCynic]

146. So... because he's a Democrat, he's automatically entitled to my defense?

A hypocrite is a hypocrite, regardless of party or politics. Why in the nine hells should we defend him on this? My loyalty draws the line at stupid, and a governor hitting up a hooker qualifies as stupid when he made his career cracking down on prostitution.

I mean really, a prosecutor going down for the same thing he helped prosecute? Golden. This is bloody hilarious. Call me a cold unfeeling bastard if you want, I could care less.

[better tomorrow]

148. I am sorrowed for his three teenage daughters.....

[avrdream]

149. I was absolutely STUNNED about the news.

My next thought was: "This is why we need a woman in the White House - by age 60, most of us aren't thinking much about sex anymore but instead about the legacy we leave behind."

Just sayin'.

[jackson_dem]

150. Yup. No true Democrat should be happy with the sad demise of a rising Dem star's career

[txaslftist]

157. Unless the rising star's initials are BO, right?

[amborin]

151. Spitzer accompished so many great deeds as AG

such a tragedy what's occurred

maybe male midlife crisis?

agree: many Obama fans are not dems....they hate dems and scorn dem principles and ideals

they are obsessively attached to their messiah, yet know nearly nothing about him or his past behaviors

[SoCalDem]

152. No joy here.. just disgust

If there ever was a place for "shame on you".. that's IT.

A man with everything going his way, and he can't keep it in his pants.. disgusting..

I feel badly for his kids.. It's pretty awful to go from being the governor's kid, to what they have now..

Kids are not all that comfy with their parents' sex lives to begin with,, and to find out that daddy's boinking prostitutes..and to have everyone else know it.. well that's pretty shitty.

[billyoc]

153. Another DLC member flames out. No joy here, just another checkmark on my todo list. nt

[txaslftist]

154. I'm not sorrowed in the least.

A hyperzealous merciless and judgmental prosecutor turns out to be a whoremonger. Big effing surprise. He also lied and hid money and used other peoples' names to get his paid-for-nooky. I'm not going to let the fact he was a Democrat in a state that only elects Democrats blind me to the fact he was a damn hypocrite, pharisee and liar.

He gets what he deserves, and what he deserves is to be fired and in jail.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

155. You Are Right. Their Behavior Had Reached Levels Beyond Disgusting.

What's worse, is they don't even see how transparent and disgusting they really are.