So the fuck what if Spitzer endorsed Clinton?

[cali]

Of all the moronic attacks on either Clinton or Obama, this has to be one of the dumbest. He frequented prostitutes. What does that have to do with her? Zip. Nada.

The worst thing about it is you guys gleefully jumping all over this as if it were bad news for Clinton are completely missing the real problem: This is bad news for NY dems specifically and dems in general. This story sucks all the oxygen out of the room. Obama's comments in MS today? Gone by the wayside. And the repukes will have a field day with this, and we don't need that. At all.

10 posts bashing Hillary about Spitzer is just bullshit. There are lots of real things to criticize her about.

[madaboutharry]

1. True, this has nothing to do with

Hillary Clinton.

[sniffa]

2. Agreed. Now can we get back to the Rezko threads?

That's much more important and substantial.

[Coexist]

55. !

[Cha]

70. And the Farrakan?

They were doing so well for awhile.

[madaboutharry]

3. delete

duplicate

[stillrockin]

As far as we know.

[leftofcool]

4. But the children have to play

Don't deny them their fun.

[book_worm]

5. I agree 100%

[Quixote1818]

6. I could care less, but it should be brought out because it is a fact. nt

[redqueen]

7. Indeed.

Nothing to do with Clinton. Sucks all the way around.

[Kber]

67. It does indeed suck.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. He's a superdelegate.

Presumably he won't be for long.

Also, it's fun to laugh at the rubes who've been harping over Rezko.

[BlueJac]

9. It is a hoot.......

To see everyone freak fucking out! Keep it behind the zipper Gov.

[Johnny__Motown]

10. Exactly the same as Rezko has to do with Obama Neither is responsible for their supporter's action

[tabatha]

11. So what the f if Obama recommended someone for a job.

Happens all the time.

[Ichingcarpenter]

12. Spitzer's problems hurt the Democratic Party - I liked and respected the guy

for a long time. I await more to the story. I hate to see his shooting star fade
so fast.

[onehandle]

13. Yep. This is just a sad story and is bad for Democrats.

dammit.

[TheZug]

14. So the fuck what if Farrakhan endorsed Obama?

He has to answer to that, just because he's a black man?

[cali]

21. That's equally stupid and offensive

bullshit. So what? Do you think that nonsense somehow justifies this crap? How lame.

[ProSense]

15. Did any money made from the prostitution ring wind up in Hillary's campaign?

Those are questions we need to know.

[anigbrowl]

20. Gah - don't go there. Almost certainly not.

Even if it did, you'd have to have to show really solid proof that the Clinton campaign should have known exactly how the campaign money was generated. There is no benefit whatever to playing up this angle in the way that some Clinton supporter have been playing up the Rezko story, while knowing perfectly well that there is nothing much to it as far as Obama is concerned. Don't sink to that level.

[ProSense]

23. You don't know that. Hillary will have to return money from Spitzer automatically. n/t

[anigbrowl]

40. Neither of us knows

how much, if any, he has raised for her. As I said elsewhere, it seems really unlikely to me that she could or would have known word one about this. If it turns out she did or got money from it, then that would be a big issue for her campaign, but for now it's just really badly luck rather than bad judgment on Clinton's part.

[Name removed]

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[Saturday]

16. I respect you for saying that Cali, Thank you. nt

[anigbrowl]

17. So nothing. I just want him to resign, has no bearing on the nomination race to me.

Having said that, don't be surprised if the media ends up playing it that way because it's juicy. That's how people are.

[scheming daemons]

18. You're right..... so let's drop the Rezko threads too.... same thing....

[BumRushDaShow]

19. Cali

This is "in preparation for the GOP attack". Or so goes the "all's fair in love and war" meme. My mother always told me that politics is ugly and my god, this place is about as ugly as I have seen. But sometimes, the lord works in mysterious ways and sometimes in order to get above the crap, it needs to be negated with similar crap. Would then mean that this ignores the 2 wrongs don't make a right situation? Not really. It's more the take the blinders off and see these people for the imperfect beings that they are and quit focusing on the gutter because the 1 finger pointing at me is the 3 pointing back at yourself. ;)

[donheld]

22. Agreed, that's the ugly part of DU

[DJ13]

24. Rezko payback

Sorry, but the Hillary supporters should expect blowback for using that issue against Obama for months.

[cali]

26. Payback is puerile and stupid.

I hate stupid.

[bridgit]

44. To stake out such a position is to admit one's self is unready for Farrakhan Blowback...

And that you will not get from another Dem, that you will receive from republicans in the GE don't kid yourself. To dismiss the likelihood is to display your naivete.

[pdxmom]

25. Agreed completely, cali. Spitzer has been a good guy and now it

looks like not only will he be going, but some want to use this as political fodder in the Dem race and that's not a bit productive or fair, especially to Spitzer himself.

[frazzled]

42. Spitzer has created more enemies (Dem and Rep) in his short time in office ...

than almost any politician in history. Honest, he has been at war with his own party for two years. I read the long profile on him and his first year in office in the New Yorker a few months back, and it was fairly brutal. He came in swinging with this I'm-the-boss, get-out-of-the-way arrogance that literally paralyzed the government.

Look, this is a huge story for a couple of reasons, not least of which being that he is truly disliked by a lot of reasons, whether it's his personal arrogance, his political views, or his criminal prosecutions. But the main thing is that this guy is the most famous prosecutor this country has known for decades ... and we're dealing with a crime organization here (possibly mob-connected). And because he was a prosecutor he knows what kinds of crime (money laundering, drugs) these outfits are involved in: he's prosecuted them. And how he could be so dumb as to leave a trail of text messages is either extreme hormonal insanity or extreme hubris. This isn't just an average case of Republican hypocrisy (say one thing and do another, on a moral basis): this is someone who has put criminals away and then participated in the criminal activity, even if it was "just sex."

[Shine]

27. Agreed, cali. The sad truth of the matter is, Dems can be just as corrupt as Repugs

Politics is a dirty game. :(

[scheming daemons]

29. What would be the media and Clinton camp reaction if this were Duval Patrick instead of Spitzer???

Think about that a second.


Think about what Chris Matthews and company would be saying tonight if this were Duval Patrick.


Now.... watch how they fall all over themselves to protect Hillary.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

30. Agreed. This sucks for all of us.

This will be a HUGE scandal for the MSM/GOP that will be endlessly trumpeted as proof of Democrats' immorality and lack of family values. It will totally eclipse any kind of coverage that Mark Foley, Larry Craig, or Diaper Boy Vitter got for their disgusting hypocritical behavior.

If anything, I could see it maybe being helpful to Hillary Clinton because a lot of voters (women especially) are getting real tired of the boyz and their little zipper problems.

[PresidentObama]

31. Thank you Cali for some sanity in this bitterly insane place n/t

[cali]

33. ack. if it made you feel better than I'm glad

you're a poster I really respect.

[writes3000]

32. I completely agree. Recommended. n/t

[HughMoran]

34. I agree with you

wow!

[bigtree]

35. yep, the Obama comeback to Clinton was going to carry the day

now . . . Spitzer in the wind

[bridgit]

36. agreed...

[terrya]

37. Completely agree.

One other, perhaps minor thing. A few of us were talking about this in the GLBT forum. And we were wondering what happens to any push for marriage equality in New York State...since Governor Spitzer promised to push for same-sex marriage in New York State. I guess that's over now. :-(

[mudesi]

38. I agree, but if she had dropped out last week...

...like she should have, then this wouldn't even be in the news.

The longer this primary goes on, the more both candidates are going to get hurt, and the more likely Mr. McCain becomes the next president of the United States.

DROP OUT HILLARY CLINTON YOU ARE HURTING THE PARTY.

[greyghost]

46. Follow your own advice.

[DearAbby]

39. This Obama Supporter K&R this post

Well said, this news is horrible for all Democrats.

[VolcanoJen]

41. If you're a Democrat, today's a very sad day.

Nice post, Cali.

Best of luck to you, Gov. Spitzer, and especially to your family. I'm really disappointed, of course, but I do feel horrible for his family and for the good people of New York. :-(

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

43. Hear Hear Cali.

I can't think of anything more ignorant, distasteful, childish and just plain stupid, than for ANYONE on this board to turn it into a good thing somehow. That really would take a special kind of idiot.

[cbayer]

45. Thanks for saying this.

You have authored some very positive and helpful posts lately, which is great.

I wish more long-termers would start taking the disruptors to task.

[Bread and Circus]

47. Just when Obama started to get his wind back again, Hillary's supporters

go and take back the news cycle!

Damn them!!!

Seriously though, it's sucks because Obama has gotten some good news of late. I hate to see this get in the way.

Go Mississippi.

[tandot]

48. Thanks, Cali. It will be bad for the Democratic Party.

Sad that so many DUers don't recognize that.

[quakerboy]

49. Yup. Bad news for us all.

[Usrename]

50. Nothing wrong pointing out that guilt by association is idiotic.

Seems on point to me. Right on the money. A perfect bullseye.

[Not the Only One]

51. Endorsements are stupid anyway, which is why the SD system is so idiotic

These politicians certainly aren't any more special than we are, and, some times are much worse characters.

I don't care that an adulterer endorsed Hillary. It wouldn't matter to me if he endorsed Obama, either. His opinion isn't something that will sway me one way or the other.

[Auntie Bush]

52. Good for you!

But it's typical of DUers. That's why I can't stand this place anymore...there is no sense of fairness. Someone says anything negative about Hillary that they can think of or find...truth or not. Then everyone jumps on the bandwagon without thought or reason.

[NorthernSpy]

53. It's just more shitty, depressing news -- not that we'll ever run out of that...

I liked Spitzer. I'm not going to be happy that he's going down just because he endorsed Hillary -- that's insane.

[Buzz Clik]

54. Has she rejected his endorsement?

:shrug:

[cali]

64. um, why should she?

I don't see any reason for her too. He hasn't made a bigoted remark. He cheated on his wife. That's it, and as far as I'm concerned that's their business.

[slinkerwink]

56. then you should drop the Rezko talking points

[cali]

60. and you should try and look before you speak

What the fuck do you think my avatar means? It's a picture of Obama. Duh. God, I hate reactionary stupidity.

[pointsoflight]

57. As an Obama supporter, I agree.

This Spitzer stuff has nothing to do with Hillary.

[damonm]

58. Obama supporter giving an A-fuckin'-MEN to the OP.

The only damage this does is to the Democratic party - hopefully, we can get this off the FP quickly. The fact that Spitzer has come clean will help that.

[izzybeans]

59. Touche, now can we move on to real issues?

Or do we need to examine the personal habits and political ideology of all of their endorsements?

I think most of it is playful payback for all the disingenuous postings about a few widely publicized Obama endorsements. It will end. I'm sure, however the childishness over McClurkin and Farrakhan will not. But a boy can dream can't he?

My endorsement is more purified then your endorsement!!!
Sing it.

[JVS]

61. As long as she denounces and rejects his support, there's no issue there...

as far as we know.

[RamboLiberal]

62. I'm with you on that n/t

Remember that Clinton backers next time you want to bash Obama with one of his supporters!

It's not Hillary's fault Spitzer stepped in the doo doo!

[zulchzulu]

63. I agree. It's also such a shock that humor is certainly going to come from it...

...no pun intended.

I can only imagine if Eliot Spitzer had endorsed Obama and where the conversation would be. Pegging Farakkan endorsing Obama as somehow amking it pinned on Obama was certainly idiotic.

[Bucky]

65. You're not very good at cussing.

I think you want "So what the fuck if Spitzer endorsed Clinton?" Scans much better. It's closer to iambic tetrameter.

[cali]

66. Nah, "so the fuck what"

rolls off the tongue better, and who give a flying fuck if it "so what the fuck if...." is closer to fucking iambic tetrameter.

[Bucky]

69. Bullshit. "so what the fuck if...." is a fucking anapestic foot...

unless you leave a big pause before "if" like John McCain flipflopping on the commode.

[MH1]

68. Well said!

:applause: